[Anonymous] Billionaire Koch Brothers Next Target of "Anonymous" Hacker Group

[FrankRep]

WHAT?! Anon wants to expose businessmen manipulating politicians to gain favors which result in unfair benefits to Koch Industries and put the consumers at an unfair disadvantage? DISGUSTING! They clearly are socialists.

Is there any proof of Koch Cronyism or just Speculation?

 

[tangent4ronpaul]

corporatist - business as usual, old boy network

 

[FrankRep]

corporatist - business as usual, old boy network

Is there any proof of Koch Cronyism or just Speculation?

 

[Kludge]

Is there any proof of Koch Cronyism or just Speculation?

As speculative as ""Governor Walker's union-busting budget plan contains a clause that went nearly un-noticed. This clause would allow the sale of publicly owned utility plants in Wisconsin to private parties (specifically, Koch Industries) at any price, no matter how low, without a public bidding process,"" is.

 

[the_strand]

Why don't they talk about libtards like Soros?

George Soros is the second largest shareholder of Monsanto.

Has anyone watched Food Inc?

Noam Chomsky, Michael Moore and George Soros are Limousine Liberals and Mercedes Marxists who made tens of millions of dollars (billions in Soros' case) selling the "evils" of Capitalism while they rake in money. They're total Hypocrites.

anonymous = FAIL.

 

[tangent4ronpaul]

Is there any proof of Koch Cronyism or just Speculation?

It's clearly someone. May not be Koch, but something dirty is going on.

Reminds me of the speeding cams they are putting up around schools here "for the children s safety", and to raise revenue except it's no bid, the camera's are on 24/7 and the company putting them in getting 87 cents of every dollar in fines raised.

 

[FrankRep]

As speculative as ""Governor Walker's union-busting budget plan contains a clause that went nearly un-noticed. This clause would allow the sale of publicly owned utility plants in Wisconsin to private parties (specifically, Koch Industries) at any price, no matter how low, without a public bidding process,"" is.

So selling off State Owned utility plants to private corporations is somehow anti-Capitalist and anti-Libertarian?

I'd like to see the exact wording in the bill. Do you have it?

 

[Kludge]

So selling off State Owned utility plants to private corporations is somehow anti-Capitalist and anti-Libertarian?

Specifically naming Koch Industries in a bill about selling off public utilities without a public bidding process or minimum price reeks of corporatism.

 

[FrankRep]

Specifically naming Koch Industries in a bill about selling off public utilities without a public bidding process or minimum price reeks of corporatism.

I'd like to see the exact wording in the bill. Do you have it?

 

[Flash]

Why don't they talk about libtards like Soros?

George Soros is the second largest shareholder of Monsanto.

Has anyone watched Food Inc?

Noam Chomsky, Michael Moore and George Soros are Limousine Liberals and Mercedes Marxists who made tens of millions of dollars (billions in Soros' case) selling the "evils" of Capitalism while they rake in money. They're total Hypocrites.

anonymous = FAIL.

I wouldn't put Noam Chomsky in that list. He has some pretty principled views and isn't afraid to defend his beliefs or withhold criticism. He'll criticize both the progressive & conservative movements. I do think his political ideas are extremely odd (he wants to increase government power yet his ultimate goal is a global anarchic society) but he isn't a sell-out.

Michael Moore recognizes the problems with both parties but only chooses to criticize ONE party. What good will that do?

 

[Kludge]

I'd like to see the exact wording in the bill. Do you have it?

The section about specifically naming Koch was misleading. Koch Industries (Georgia-Pacific) isn't named, but I'd be interested in hearing the makeup of WI's utilities industry and if there are any other viable competitors who this bill has in mind.

... the Wisconsin Department of Administration “may sell any state-owned heating, cooling, and power plant or may contract with a private entity for the operation of any such plant, with or without solicitation of bids, for any amount that the department determines to be in the best interest of the state.”

http://legis.wisconsin.gov/2011/data/JR1SB-11.pdf

 

[South Park Fan]

I'd like to see the exact wording in the bill. Do you have it?

I posted it above, and I will post it again: http://www.economicpolicyjournal.com...ower-game.html

16.896 Sale or contractual operation of state−owned heating, cooling, and power plants. (1) Notwithstanding ss. 13.48 (14) (am) and 16.705 (1), the department may sell any state−owned heating, cooling, and power plant or may contract with a private entity for the operation of any such plant, with or without solicitation of bids, for any amount that the department determines to be in the best interest of the state. Notwithstanding ss. 196.49 and 196.80, no approval or certification of the public service commission is necessary for a public utility to purchase, or contract for the operation of, such a plant, and any such purchase is considered to be in the public interest and to comply with the criteria for certification of a project under s. 196.49 (3) (b).

Giving off government contracts to anyone besides the highest bidder is stealing from the taxpayer.

 

[kah13176]

Anonymous is simply a collective consciousness. Individuals may break off and join at any time. There may be several branches of Anonymous working in opposing directions simultaneously. Quite simply, anyone who posts on any sort of online message board without revealing their identities are considered part of Anonymous. For example, only a few individuals were actually involved in the Westboro Baptist Church stuff, yet they did so under the title. It is true that mainstream Anonymous causes property damage, but that doesn't mean you can't be part of the group whilst opposing such action. Analogously, everyone residing in America is an "American", yet we obviously do not all agree on politics, religion, or philosophy.

 

[FrankRep]

http://legis.wisconsin.gov/2011/data/JR1SB-11.pdf

___________________
16.896 Sale or contractual operation of state−owned heating, cooling,
and power plants.

(1) Notwithstanding ss. 13.48 (14) (am) and 16.705 (1), the
department may sell any state−owned heating, cooling, and power plant or may
contract with a private entity for the operation of any such plant, with or without
solicitation of bids, for any amount that the department determines to be in the best
interest of the state. Notwithstanding ss. 196.49 and 196.80, no approval or
certification of the public service commission is necessary for a public utility to
purchase, or contract for the operation of, such a plant, and any such purchase is
considered to be in the public interest and to comply with the criteria for certification
of a project under s. 196.49 (3) (b).
________
​

Seriously, what's the big fuss about?? The state can sell the plants at any price they want based on the best interest of the state.


Good!

 

[South Park Fan]

___________________
16.896 Sale or contractual operation of state−owned heating, cooling,
and power plants.

(1) Notwithstanding ss. 13.48 (14) (am) and 16.705 (1), the
department may sell any state−owned heating, cooling, and power plant or may
contract with a private entity for the operation of any such plant, with or without
solicitation of bids, for any amount that the department determines to be in the best
interest of the state. Notwithstanding ss. 196.49 and 196.80, no approval or
certification of the public service commission is necessary for a public utility to
purchase, or contract for the operation of, such a plant, and any such purchase is
considered to be in the public interest and to comply with the criteria for certification
of a project under s. 196.49 (3) (b).
________
​

Seriously, what's the big fuss about?? The state can sell the plants at any price they want based on the best interest of the state.


Good!

And of course that clause isn't deliberately vague and couldn't possibly be interpreted to mean whatever a government official might want.

 

[tangent4ronpaul]

Seriously, what's the big fuss about?? The state can sell the plants at any price they want based on the best interest of the state.

Good!

Think about what you are saying! The "best interest of the state" is all about tax dollars. It's where we get Eminent Domain. If the state gets more money to spend that's good. If the people they represent get screwed - well, that's too bad.

The state always knows how best to spend your money and use your property.

Bad!

-t

 

[RonPaulFanInGA]

Lol, Anonymous isn't part of any political spectrum.

It's just a bunch of random kiddies installing scripts on their computers that let them be used by a few older scriptkiddies to mass DDOS websites. They'll attack anyone who gives them press and makes their white middle class lives seem somehow relevant.

Seriously, you're giving "them" too much credit.

This.

Attacks on others' private property is disgusting. And some in the "liberty movement" here try to rationalize it.

 

[specsaregood]

And of course that clause isn't deliberately vague and couldn't possibly be interpreted to mean whatever a government official might want.

And not even an elected official at that.

 

[pcosmar]

This.

Attacks on others' private property is disgusting. And some in the "liberty movement" here try to rationalize it.

So has anyone verified this story? Or is this another false smear on "anonymous" like the fake WBC letter?

Is "anonymous" the new boogieman???

edit, Just peeked in, seems some (small group) of anons put this together.
I don't see a consensus. I wouldn't expect to see any concerted effort.

 

[angelatc]

___________________
16.896 Sale or contractual operation of state−owned heating, cooling,
and power plants.

(1) Notwithstanding ss. 13.48 (14) (am) and 16.705 (1), the
department may sell any state−owned heating, cooling, and power plant or may
contract with a private entity for the operation of any such plant, with or without
solicitation of bids, for any amount that the department determines to be in the best
interest of the state. Notwithstanding ss. 196.49 and 196.80, no approval or
certification of the public service commission is necessary for a public utility to
purchase, or contract for the operation of, such a plant, and any such purchase is
considered to be in the public interest and to comply with the criteria for certification
of a project under s. 196.49 (3) (b).
________
​

Seriously, what's the big fuss about?? The state can sell the plants at any price they want based on the best interest of the state.


Good!

It would be better to accept bids. This smacks of cronyism. But the left going into hysterics over the Koch Brothers (who haven't actually been offered a power plant - that's all wild speculation) while ignoring the looting that Buffet did just exemplifies why we can't get anywhere in this country.