Angry Paul Caller

Oh my god.

I feel bad for this guy. I feel his anger, but I wish he could have remained calm.
 
Hey thanks a lot, yeah I was sure exercising restraint not to drop the F-bomb on him. The Lord's name in vain is another story, and is something I'm definately sensitive to using and hearing, and I seldom cross that line... My wife and I are pretty passionate believers in God's word, but hardly Bible thumpers, but somewhat weary of the Rapturist/Hagee/Robertson armageddon end of time types. Thanks for homeschooling your kids, as we homeschool our girls, raise goats and chickens, and try to observe the Saturday Sabbath and act right by God. We are far far far from perfect, but it's good to know that there are so many like minded freedom loving people in this great movement back towards liberty, peace, free trade, and personal responsibility. Thanks again for your kind words.

Edit: I feel safe to advise you to ignore the Troll. He has absolutely nothing to do with our cause.

You are very passionate about this cause and well studied in history. I appreciate that, and want our children to see this. I do not say Phree has absolutely nothing to do with our cause, but doesn't understand how important the passion and fervor is. I disagree with Phree in that he wants us to stifle our passion towards Liberty and Freedom through Constitutional government. This passion is necessary! I do think it is not necessary to use the Lord's name in vain or vulgar language to do display this passion. You did a great job of showing restrain during this call, I heard where you almost slipped during the Iraq response and I applaud your restrain. I am also sure Ron Paul believes the same way. Let's keep-up the passion and fervor, but refrain from vulgar language for the sake of America and future generations. All our children are avid Ron Paul supporters, mostly because of Mom and Dad, but I would love to have them enjoy the full aspect of patriotism in the future.

Respectfully,

David Keagle
 
hahah, Derek you are going to be famous if this goes viral. Wikipedia entry might be coming for you.

Naaa, my rage will only reinforce the media smear of our image...you probably don't want that to go viral, I certainly don't....even though I was right as rain, and Gunny was lying through his teeth.

The only thing I don't get is how we have over 100,000 meetup members, even more supporters, and yet so few calls to talk radio. There are a few others calling, sure, but not nearly enough.

Step it up, call talk radio...do as I say [not as I do ;)] and don't scream at the host. And if you do, be clear with your point.....but do call. This is where the rubber hits the road, take some time to call talk radio, please.
 
You are very passionate about this cause and well studied in history. I appreciate that, and want our children to see this. I do not say Phree has absolutely nothing to do with our cause, but doesn't understand how important the passion and fervor is. I disagree with Phree in that he wants us to stifle our passion towards Liberty and Freedom through Constitutional government. This passion is necessary! I do think it is not necessary to use the Lord's name in vain or vulgar language to do display this passion. You did a great job of showing restrain during this call, I heard where you almost slipped during the Iraq response and I applaud your restrain. I am also sure Ron Paul believes the same way. Let's keep-up the passion and fervor, but refrain from vulgar language for the sake of America and future generations. All our children are avid Ron Paul supporters, mostly because of Mom and Dad, but I would love to have them enjoy the full aspect of patriotism in the future.

Respectfully,

David Keagle

Thanks a lot David. We are repeating many mistakes, this is what makes history study critical to the [almost] inevitable foreign-international takeover of our sovereignty.

Our limited government was designed to eschew the mercantile, central bank, protectionalist foreign policy of King George, remember that King George signed the treaty with each State, not DC. Even Hamilton, who was the biggest central planner of the founder lot, would be abhorred by the proposed governing of McCain, Romney, Obama, Clinton, Huckabee, Ghool etc.

The founders believed strongly in the free market, free trade, personal responsibility. We must not let up until the original intent is fully restored. Read Washington's farewell address....its tone almost seems to be aimed at the neocons and neolibs to come.

Wisdom isn't sensitive to time. Read the Bible, understand the Magna Carta, and read the constitution.
 
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That was hilarious and scary at the same time.

Well that Marine made an oath to God and country to defend the US Constitution. Now that he's on the civilian side, he is; lying about it, as well as contorting the constitution and intent to fit the mercantile needs of DC, play partisan politics, and justify the unjustifiable. It's sick.
 
I do not say Phree has absolutely nothing to do with our cause, but doesn't understand how important the passion and fervor is. I disagree with Phree in that he wants us to stifle our passion towards Liberty and Freedom through Constitutional government. This passion is necessary!

It's funny to me that my involvement in this thread puts my commitment to this cause in question. Fighting to make my point here wasn't fun for me, but it's an expression of my commitment to Dr. Paul. If that's not obvious then you suffer from tunnel vision. If anyone doubts that I've done what I claimed, I'm pretty sure Vijay or Laura of OLFD will vouch for me.

Many people on this forum share my belief that supporters need to exercise restraint. It's not true that I don't understand the importance of passion to this cause, it's just that like all energy it should be channeled properly to give the best result. Temper is the key word, and very often it is missing our approach.

Maybe people that came late to this thread didn't bother to read it entirely. I can understand that, but before judging my level of commitment or my passion a little research might be wise.

I'm not trying to make this a popularity contest Derek, I only wanted to see if you considered your call in to be good political strategy. By your "grow a pair" comment I assume that you do.

I agree that you will win over a small percentage of new RP support by aggressively lashing out against neocon jerks like the host of this talk show, but I don't think it's logical that this approach will win more supporters than calm, rational debate will. Most people won't hear the facts that you present because they will be focused on the sensationalism of your rage. Most people are somewhat timid and averse to aggression and they will be inclined to avoid people or movements that seem too radical. It seems logical to me that while you pick up a handful of like-minded people, you're turning off the larger number of more moderate citizens. In elections you need the largest following to win. This looks like a classic case of winning the battle but losing the war.

I don't doubt that you're a brave man so I'll ask you to do something that requires a lot more bravery than being argumentative with a talk show host; examine your methods as dispassionately as you can and try to determine if you're really promoting Dr. Paul in the best way possible.

Have you seen the video of Dr. Paul taking on the fools on the Morton Downey show in the 80's when he was the Libertarian candidate? Dr. Paul is obviously angry and defiant on that show, and at one point he even insulted a chubby dude to make his point. Contrast that to the strategy that Dr. Paul uses today. He remains calm and respectful even while pundits and opponents hurl insults and lies at him. Does Dr. Paul need to "grow a pair"? I ask that you consider the change RP has made in his approach to spreading his message. I believe Dr. Paul realized that to be electable he needed to tone down his anger and frustration, and appeal to more rational, mainstream Americans by using a softer, more diplomatic approach.

I have to admit that I have a bad temper at times. I can get very worked up and when I listen to your comments on that show I see myself in your actions. After following politics for 30 years I have more than my share of pent up resentment. I'm desperate to get Dr. Paul elected, and in fact I don't know how I'll feel if he looses. Tears are rolling down my cheeks as I type this just at the thought of a loss. I know that this movement won't be finished if RP loses, but such a brave man and a hero as Dr. Paul deserves this election and the world will experience much less murder and torture and poverty if he gets elected. I'm a person who is ready to fight, but I choose to temper my emotions and focus on a strategy that is most likely to win this election for RP and all Americans.

All I ask is that you consider what I'm saying. All I want is Ron Paul in the White House. I would give anything to see that. You're obviously a valuable asset to this campaign, but I believe you could use your passion in a better way by controlling your emotions more. I don't mean to insult your efforts but I have to speak my mind, which I'm sure you can appreciate.

You can either take my words and use them to question my involvement in this campaign or you can listen to see if there might not be thread of logic in them. Your choice.
 
It's funny to me that my involvement in this thread puts my commitment to this cause in question. Fighting to make my point here wasn't fun for me, but it's an expression of my commitment to Dr. Paul. If that's not obvious then you suffer from tunnel vision. If anyone doubts that I've done what I claimed, I'm pretty sure Vijay or Laura of OLFD will vouch for me.

Many people on this forum share my belief that supporters need to exercise restraint. It's not true that I don't understand the importance of passion to this cause, it's just that like all energy it should be channeled properly to give the best result. Temper is the key word, and very often it is missing our approach.

Maybe people that came late to this thread didn't bother to read it entirely. I can understand that, but before judging my level of commitment or my passion a little research might be wise.



You can either take my words and use them to question my involvement in this campaign or you can listen to see if there might not be thread of logic in them. Your choice.

Will exercise more restaint. Thanks for your RP support.
 
man i can't get enough of this, this guy is great

Actually, I charged right into his trap, but I wanted to make a few points, which I really didn't do. If you read Jefferson's letters, and many others of the period, there was a long discussion about where to place the war MAKING powers. Well, it overwhlemingly went to Article I over fear of a future despotic president. This is where gunny is a liar. Gunny is suggesting Article II justifies bombing or invading whoever, whenever without consulting congress or getting authorization from congress.

That is a Lie.

I'll call gunny again, you call gunny also. And pin him to down with the facts. Even Lincoln recognized that the president can't make war. Although "Honest" Abe betrayed himself by marching 75,000 Federal troops into Virginia in 1861 without congressional consent, and this is what pushed most of the Southern states into secession, besides the economic threat of protection policies that inordinately benefitted the North and the Southern expense, such as the Morrill Tarriff.

My other garbled points were the old "classical" liberal democrat presidents such as Jackson and Cleveland were free traders, constitutional adherants, strongly against corporate welfare, protectional and mercantile policy, and certainly a far cry from the neodemocrats: central bank-Woodrow Wilson forward....you know the socialist neolibs.

Obviously my rant damaged articulating any of this well. I'll call again later and do much better.
 
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That was hilarious! I loved how in the end after minutes od screaming, he just says in a totally calm voice, "Except for Ron Paul." Good stuff.
 
And I thank you Derek.

Sure thing, and I'm sorry about the way I treated you. Keep up the great work!

I'll keep this forum updated on the coming series of calls to the "Gunny Bob" show. He's not getting off the hook on his so called "war making powers" he claims in Article II of "Gunny Bob's" constitution. In my constitution it's located in Article I, for reason.

Don't worry, I'll be cool ;)
 
As an ode to Derek and to the enthused nature of this movement, I bring this thread to life.
 
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