Andorra or Hong Kong?

Elwar

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Ok, as I look around the world for the freest nation (it obviously isn't the U.S.), I was looking at both Andorra and Hong Kong.

Hong Kong is like that "Capitalism zone" for China where rampant capitalism takes place. The people live to age 81, their taxes are very low with very few regulations on business. Downfall is that it's super expensive to live there. You'd have to spend hundreds of thousands of dollars for a decent condo.

Andorra, a small country in between France and Spain created by Charlemagne to create a buffer against the Moors. They're a tax haven and have the highest life expectancy (85). Downfall is the extreme difficulty of gaining citizenship (you have to live there for 20 years and your kids, who are born there, have to wait until they are 18). Plus you have to swear to fight off any Moors that might be heading to attack France. :D
 
Plus you have to swear to fight off any Moors that might be heading to attack France.

Andorra because that's fucking awesome! I hate the Moors!

Seriously though, if you're rich, consider Switzerland because they don't let poor people in and their libertarian party is the largest in the country.
 
Andorra is NOT a tax haven. They have signed a TIEA (Tax Information Exchange Agreement) and the OECD now lists absolutely no countries as uncooperative. Tax Havens no longer exist. Hong Kong also has said it will sign one in the very near future.

If what you really want to do is have your money secure from taxes, you can sign an ITA (international trust agreement) with a law firm, wire the funds into a law firm offshore account (you are protected by the ITA from getting your money stolen and would have legal recourse) and then the law firm transfers the money whereever. The weak point in the whole system these days is that the bank has your information and knowledge of your account history, whereas this way only the law firm knows and then you are protected by attorney client privilege. It's quite ingenious.

I happen to do this for a living, but there are other people who do this as well, just not on the internet.

This is from the OECD website: http://www.oecd.org/document/24/0,3343,en_2649_33745_43137880_1_1_1_37427,00.html
 
Andorra is NOT a tax haven. They have signed a TIEA (Tax Information Exchange Agreement) and the OECD now lists absolutely no countries as uncooperative. Tax Havens no longer exist. Hong Kong also has said it will sign one in the very near future.

If what you really want to do is have your money secure from taxes, you can sign an ITA (international trust agreement) with a law firm, wire the funds into a law firm offshore account (you are protected by the ITA from getting your money stolen and would have legal recourse) and then the law firm transfers the money whereever. The weak point in the whole system these days is that the bank has your information and knowledge of your account history, whereas this way only the law firm knows and then you are protected by attorney client privilege. It's quite ingenious.

still not good enough, the law firm is human and subject to jurisdiction, threats, subpoenas as well.
 
Monaco and Liechtenstein both have very low tax rates, though I'm not sure about the feasbility of living in either of those places.
 
Ok, as I look around the world for the freest nation (it obviously isn't the U.S.), I was looking at both Andorra and Hong Kong...
Andorra, a small country in between France and Spain created by Charlemagne to create a buffer against the Moors.

Andorra? Is that in Africa? Sounds right!
One of the funniest Onion-Pieces ever made:
http://www.theonion.com/content/video/nation_of_andorra_not_in_africa
(When I first saw their map of africa I kept loling for about a quarter of an hour)
 
still not good enough, the law firm is human and subject to jurisdiction, threats, subpoenas as well.

You don't understand how it works. The jurisdiction is Guatemala. The foreign party has to get a Guatemalan lawyer and go to court in Guatemala and hey, guess what, nobody gives a rats ass about the US and their fishing expedition for information without any proof. The law firm is only subject to subpoenas in the face of hard evidence convicting the client of something that is also a criminal action in Guatemala (child porn, murder, etc., NOT tax evasion, which is a civil crime). THEN yes, the law firm will surrender the records. If you are guilty of a crime with a victim, you're screwed. Attorney client privilege still stands otherwise.

There's something called an International Trust Agreement which states what will happen to the lawyer if he violates att. client privilege and the client would then have serious legal action against this lawyer. Everything entails a risk. If your idea of what is safe and secure is zero risk, you might as well never earn money or try anything in life.
 
Monaco and Liechtenstein both have very low tax rates, though I'm not sure about the feasibility of living in either of those places.
Well it was great until this year ...

here's the deal, the Tyrannts in Washington DC got to the tine country of Lichtenstein:

http://www.treas.gov/press/releases/hp1320.htm[url]http://www.treas.gov/press/releases/hp1320.htm[/URL]

Oh and it's once again the US TREASURY leading the charge to hunt down American Taxpayers and any criminals.

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December 8, 2008
HP-1320
U.S., Liechtenstein Sign Tax Information Exchange Agreement
Washington – The Department of the Treasury today announced that the United States and Liechtenstein have signed an agreement to allow for exchange of information on tax matters between the two countries. The agreement was signed by U.S. Charge d'Affairs Leigh Carter and Liechtenstein Prime Minister Otmar Hasler in Vaduz, Liechtenstein.
The Tax Information Exchange Agreement (TIEA) with Liechtenstein will provide the United States with access to information it needs to enforce U.S. tax laws, including information related to bank accounts in Liechtenstein.
The TIEA will permit the United States to seek information from Liechtenstein on all types of federal taxes, and in both civil and criminal matters. Under the TIEA, the requested information must be obtained and exchanged without regard to whether the country receiving the request needs the information for its own tax purposes or whether the conduct being investigated would constitute a crime under its law. If the country receiving the request for information does not have the requested information in its possession, it must take relevant information gathering measures to provide the requested information. Moreover, requests from one country to the other must be honored, even if the information relates to, or is held by, nonresidents.
As with all agreements to exchange information, only specific tax authorities are allowed to receive and send information. Information exchanged pursuant to the TIEA may be used only for tax purposes, and the competent authorities must safeguard the confidentiality of information exchanged pursuant to the TIEA.
The TIEA will allow the United States to ask for information relating to 2009 and years following. Documents or other information created before 2009 can be obtained from Liechtenstein provided that the request relates to an investigation of a post-2008 year. In the case of pre-2009 years, the United States can currently obtain information regarding criminal tax matters under the U.S.-Liechtenstein Mutual Legal Assistance Treaty.
As part of the signing of the TIEA, the United States is extending Liechtenstein's treatment as an eligible Qualified Intermediary (QI) jurisdiction until December 31, 2009. This one-year extension is intended to provide Liechtenstein with time to enact the legislation necessary for full implementation of the TIEA. If Liechtenstein fully implements the TIEA by the end of 2009, Liechtenstein's QI status will be renewed for the standard six-year term. The QI program generally allows financial institutions that are located in an eligible QI jurisdiction to enter into an agreement with the IRS in which the foreign financial institution assumes certain documentation and withholding responsibilities in exchange for simplified information reporting for its non-U.S. account holders.

The TIEA also anticipates further dialogue and cooperation between the tax authorities of the United States and Liechtenstein.
 
Hong Kong is one of the most amazing places on earth! I have spent a great deal of time there, and I love the place. Considering its direct link to China, Hong Kong will be an epicenter of economic growth in the decades ahead. Plus, the place is a lot of fun!

Last time I was there, I was smoking weed openly in a really cool jazz bar in Kowloon. The mixture of people there from around the world is amazing. You will meet some of the most interesting people imaginable.
 
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