And so the character assasination of Cliven Bundy Begins!!!!!

[Carlybee]

I probably would have chosen better words. On the other hand I'm not very into being politically correct either. As long as black people are still out there calling white people "crackers" and thinking it's okay, calling themselves "niggas" and what have you, then it's kind of hard to get too butt hurt over some old country guy using the word negro. I grew up in west Texas and there are still people out there younger than Bundy using terms that would go over like a fart at the dinner table here in Houston. In this particular case I doubt he meant it to come out exactly like he said it but it really wouldn't matter either way because he was being profiled before he made these statements. This country collectively needs to grow a thicker hide.

 

[Brian4Liberty]

hes 67, that's definitely not Great Depression era, that's 1947 birthyear.

Wow. He talked like those old folks in that video. Ironically, I asked two people what his age was, and they thought he was older too. Guess that cattle farming ages you. Maybe it was his father that was that age?

Fixed that post to be more accurate.

 

[Feeding the Abscess]

As much as I totally understand, I think there are ways you could use this as an opportunity to educate. I guess it depends on how good you are as a communicator. If you have confidence in your ability to shed light on this issue, I think it's worth it. If not, then maybe stick with something else. It really comes down to your circumstances, which is something neither I nor Deb can judge for you. However, don't simply take it for granted that it would be a waste of time to bring up the Bundy ranch.

I got a question on the issue, and turned it to a discussion on why 'public land' is a terrible concept, especially with several layers of bureaucracy from several layers of government in the mix.

 

[Giuliani was there on 911]

Rightfully so with Rand doing outreach. F*ckin' people just do not know how to keep their mouth shut when fighting a PR war. This will now paint any militia members that support him as racists also furthering the anti-militia resentment.
I hate people. Damned if I don't.

who cares about about being called a racist ?

 

[acptulsa]

I probably would have chosen better words. On the other hand I'm not very into being politically correct either. As long as black people are still out there calling white people "crackers" and thinking it's okay, calling themselves "niggas" and what have you, then it's kind of hard to get too butt hurt over some old country guy using the word negro. I grew up in west Texas and there are still people out there younger than Bundy using terms that would go over like a fart at the dinner table here in Houston. In this particular case I doubt he meant it to come out exactly like he said it but it really wouldn't matter either way because he was being profiled before he made these statements. This country collectively needs to grow a thicker hide.

That isn't the point.

The point is, I think I know the people he's talking about, and lots and lots of them are melanin-challenged. What's more, I've known a whole lot of people over the years who were and are abundant in melanin and who absolutely do not fit his description.

The point is, if libertarianism isn't colorblind, then we have no business talking about justice as much as we do.

Individuals are individuals, and if we don't want to be lumped in with the herd we had better lose the herd mentality that the sheep have.

 

[Carlybee]

That isn't the point.

The point is, I think I know the people he's talking about, and lots and lots of them are melanin-challenged. What's more, I've known a whole lot of people over the years who were and are abundant in melanin and who absolutely do not fit his description.

The point is, if libertarianism isn't colorblind, then we have no business talking about justice as much as we do.

Individuals are individuals, and if we don't want to be lumped in with the herd we had better lose the herd mentality that the sheep have.

I personally abhor racism, however I abhor the loss of freedom of speech even more. I say let the chips fall where they may. The move toward having everything termed hate speech even to the point of trying to legislate it as illegal is much more threatening to individual liberty and is and of itself part of a mob mentality. Bundy is going to have to take some lumps for what he said, just as if I were to call someone an a-hole to their face, I would have to have to deal with the consequences. It's the mob mentality that will turn this into more of a circus sideshow than it already is.

 

[Uriel999]

dont feel like going through 16 pages of thread. What he said wasn't racist. He got a long speech cut down by the media in the same way they did to Ron Paul to make him look bad. He was asking why the hell there were not minorities out there with him (there was like 1 black dude out there and that was it) when they were getting screwed like him. I think he sees shit on the real big picture in how we are in the same boat getting anally raped by the fedcoats.

He couldn't say it well but he was saying that black people got out of the cotton plantation to immediately be placed on the government plantation.

 

[acptulsa]

There's more than one way to sacrifice the truth on the altar of political correctness. For example, you can deny the truth because the truth is not PC. Or you can defend a lie because someone came along who was more worried that the lie wasn't PC than worried that it was a lie.

I try not to fall into either trap, myself.

 

[PRB]

Something tells me this guy knows what's up, and isn't going to let racism stop him from fighting for the little guy, and standing up for an American's rights.

 

[RonPaulMall]

Sometimes I wonder if sensitivity is like a foreign language for the past generation because my father was the same way. Would it kill these people to adapt to modern uses of language WRT racial sensitivity?

For most of recorded history, and in most cultures around the world to this day, the onus is the other way around. Younger people are supposed to be respectful of their elders and appreciate the fact that people who grew up in a different time when different words were considered the "polite" terms might default to those terms while speaking. Making hay of such a generational faux pas, in fact, would have been considered the mark of an insensitive jerk. It may well be that 30 years from now, "black" will go out of fashion and is replaced with the already ubiquitous among the younger generation, "nigga". And you know what- my by then 60 year old ass will probably still call black people black people.

 

[devil21]

The funny thing is if you ask 99% random people on the street who Cliven Bundy is, they won't have a clue.

 

[Weston White]

Mr. Bundy probably does disfavor blacks to whites, favors ol’ Dixie, and flies the rebel flag, but does any of that really change the present issue being addressed? Besides, what more could be expected from any other old school cowboy, let alone Mr. Bundy? Is there not any truth in his current hot-topic statements? I think for the most part there is. This is more blatant emotionally charged, race-baiting by the losing side. At least that much should be obvious.

However, if it really be true, then many blacks in the south remain racist in themselves to this very day:

“First used in the census in 1900, "Negro" became the most common way of referring to black Americans through most of the early 20th century, during a time of racial inequality and segregation. "Negro" itself had taken the place of "colored." Starting with the 1960s civil rights movement, black activists began to reject the "Negro" label and came to identify themselves as black or African-American.

Still, the term has lingered, having been used by Martin Luther King Jr. in his speeches. It also remains in the names of some black empowerment groups that were established before the 1960s, such as the United Negro College Fund, now often referred to as UNCF.

For the 2010 census, the government briefly considered dropping the word "Negro" but ultimately decided against it, determining that a small segment, mostly older blacks living in the South, still identified with the term. . . . In the 2000 census, about 50,000 people specifically wrote in the word Negro when asked how they wished to be identified. By 2010, unpublished census data provided to the AP show that number had declined to roughly 36,000.”

SOURCE: http://www.nydailynews.com/news/pol...sus-finally-stop-term-negro-article-1.1272992

 

[belian78]

That's what I was planning on doing. However, I don't feel like stepping on a landmine or having to take the entire Q&A time to explain his remarks when I can use other examples of violations of property rights.

Weak

 

[Tod]

On the ranch facebook page a few hours ago, the admin posted a Daily Currant article about an Allen West "quote", not realizing it is a satire site. *facepalm*

 

[Origanalist]

Wow. He talked like those old folks in that video. Ironically, I asked two people what his age was, and they thought he was older too. Guess that cattle farming ages you. Maybe it was his father that was that age?

Fixed that post to be more accurate.

67 ain't no spring chicken.

 

[Origanalist]

On the ranch facebook page a few hours ago, the admin posted a Daily Currant article about an Allen West "quote", not realizing it is a satire site. *facepalm*

They are ranchers. It's pretty obvious they don't sit around on their computers much.

 

[AuH20]

Something tells me this guy knows what's up, and isn't going to let racism stop him from fighting for the little guy, and standing up for an American's rights.

That picture embodies the spirit of defiance that the Black Panthers used to be known for. They weren't always the boogeymen of the right.

 

[AuH20]

It's interesting that no good, white 'gatekeeping' liberals are the ones more irate about Bundy's comments than actual blacks. Cockroaches don't like light cast on their schemes.

 

[AuH20]

Cliven is all over CNN but he's not knowledgable enough to repel this onslaught by the host.

 

[Tod]

Cliven is all over CNN but he's not knowledgable enough to repel this onslaught by the host.

They desperately need a spokesman savvy enough to handle the media bastards.