And so the character assasination of Cliven Bundy Begins!!!!!

[AuH20]

I think it is about time for people to take a stand against the Progressives and not cower or back down in fear whenever they pull the race card out of their ass.

Agreed. Stop playing within their desired parameters. Roll out Margaret Sanger and LBJ with regularity. Who are the real racists? Who are the ones who actively promote the bigotry of low expectations within our many institutions? Who are the ones who deem a certain color unfit for birth?

 

[Brian4Liberty]

That Cliven Bundy used the word "negro" is not the whole problem. The statement would not have been acceptable had he used the term "African-Americans" or "black people." The sentiment is the problem. Bundy did not simply misspeak. He expressed the opinion that black people in America, even if their needs are supplied, need to be kept distracted by some diversionary task in order to prevent them from committing crimes. That somehow welfare makes people more likely to have abortions (not that I have a problem with abortion). And that social safety nets (which I agree should be eliminated) constitute a deprivation of liberty greater than the ownership of a person as a tool. The most stringent extant and proposed regulations for welfare recipients, including drug testing, the requirement that recipients seek employment, etc. do not come to even a fraction of the deprivation of liberty that is slavery.

Yes, it is a huge mistake to single out any group when addressing the evils of welfare. Welfare has negative side effects and unintended consequences for all who use it, and all racial and ethnic groups do use welfare.

Likewise, the old saying that "idle hands are the devil's workshop" is not race, gender or age specific either.

 

[Ecolibertarian]

He never implied that. He simply stated that sitting on a porch for days on end isn't a viable gameplan. Why would anyone want to be dependent on the whims of another? There is an element of control exerted through these programs.

He also said, "And because they were basically on government subsidy, so now what do they do?” he asked. “They abort their young children, they put their young men in jail, because they never learned how to pick cotton." And perhaps there is an element of control, as I noted. But, to quote Bastiat, "since man is naturally inclined to avoid pain--and since labor is pain in itself--it follows that men will resort to plunder whenever plunder is easier than work."

What of those who are forced to pay for those things? Are they enslaved?

Arguably. But Bundy was not, in the excerpt quoted, complaining about the confiscation of property from some to distribute it to others. He was saying that the recipients are the ones who have lost freedom.

 

[kahless]

Pick your battles. This one is not winnable and unworthy of burning up political capital on.

If you have a national campaign or seeking office where Progressive votes matter then one should tread carefully. Promote the bigger picture and not focus on just one family. It should be fairly easy to find another victimized family that does not give ammunition to the Progressives that they can use or misconstrue.

 

[donnay]

Cliven Bundy is on Alex Jones right now and he emphatically denies the "pickin' cotton" remark. NYT is making things up. He has a black militia man guarding his house right now. He is not a racists. The man sits at his dinner table.

 

[AuH20]

Cliven Bundy is on Alex Jones right now and he emphatically denies the "pickin' cotton" remark. NYT is making things up. He has a black militia man guarding his house right now. He is not a racists.

I read that the NYT reporter is notoriously known as a gatekeeper type for past admins (Clinton) especially. Could be CIA? If they are willing to blow up a federal building to accomplish their goals, what's a few edited words?

 

[69360]

I figured it was a matter of time until he got baited into something like this. FWIW it could have been a lot worse and he is technically right.

He's going to get Randy Weavered now. Better keep the wife away from the door.

 

[Czolgosz]

The Human mind is easily distracted and easily controlled.

 

[AuH20]

Bundy is stating the NY Times is slandering him. Psy Ops at work.

 

[donnay]

I read that the NYT reporter is notoriously known as a gatekeeper type for past admins (Clinton) especially. Could be CIA? If they are willing to blow up a federal building to accomplish their goals, what's a few edited words?

A couple of weeks ago they (NYT) got caught for Photoshopping Russian troops in the Ukraine.

 

[JK/SEA]

The Human mind is easily distracted and easily controlled.

no shit...

we like shiny things that spin...

 

[JK/SEA]

Bundy is stating the NY Times is slandering him. Psy Ops at work.

i smell a harry rat in this one...

 

[AuH20]

The Human mind is easily distracted and easily controlled.

A nation of emotional twits that can be easily manipulated. Meanwhile, one of the most racist organizations on the planet is the U.S. Federal government.

 

[Thor]

OK, so where is the toob of the press conference... Let see if the words came out of his mouth.

 

[kahless]

I figured it was a matter of time until he got baited into something like this. FWIW it could have been a lot worse and he is technically right.

He's going to get Randy Weavered now. Better keep the wife away from the door.

I could see something coming from the first few interviews. You put a camera and mic in front of anyone not accustomed to public speaking and they will eventually say something unintentional or that can be misconstrued or spun into something sinister.

I was hoping those covering it would focus on others as well so the Progressives could not kill the story using one individual as a poster child. It is a good thing Texas and Utah land grabs are being mixed in the coverage as well.

 

[AuH20]

CIA headquarters: Guys, we can't just go in there with guns blazing unless he's viewed as a villain by the general public. Somebody call the editor at the New York Times.


And if you are so foolishly naive to think that the CIA doesn't operate domestically, then I have a bridge to sell you. They had agents at OKC.

http://www.deseretnews.com/article/...lahoma-City-bombing-investigation.html?pg=all

 

[PRB]

Your ignorance is much more insulting.

We are all slaves for the bankers.

"None are so hopelessly enslaves as those who falsely believe they are free."

I don't think actual slaves are allowed to argue with me like you do online.

 

[NIU Students for Liberty]

What a fucking moron, as well as those here who are rationalizing his comments. It's no wonder why the "heartless/white privileged" stereotype is applied to libertarians.

Does welfare do more harm than good? Yes. Is it worse than physical bondage? No, not even close.

Don't lecture the anarchists on how to frame their arguments because we're somehow hurting the advancement of libertarianism and Rand's 2016 election hopes when you're defending Bundy's beliefs that completely contradict everything you claim to be fighting for.

Now if the NYT lied and it turns out that Bundy never made these comments, fine.

 

[PRB]

You don't need physical chains to imprison someone. You take away all hope and rob them of self-empowerment & I'll argue you that you can keep them in the desired caste. It's behavioral conditioning 101. Now I'm not saying this was done entirely on purpose (though we must wonder why the illegal drug trade specifically targets African Americans and the fact that there seems to be a liquor store on every corner in the hood), but it certainly makes you wonder.

just like you don't need a physical gun to kill somebody? please.

 

[PRB]

Yes, those on welfare do seem to prefer that form of slavery.

over actual slavery in a chain and being whipped, I assume you're talking about. Am I wrong?