And so the character assasination of Cliven Bundy Begins!!!!!

[ClydeCoulter]

This really sucks as I was just defending this guy over the past weekend to my mom, mil and other family over easter. Now I'm gonna get hit with this shit next we talk.

Yes, I'm not looking forward to opening a twitter window in the browser, either. I was just defending Cliven, last night, against a guy (that has many followers) whose profile says "Tea Partiers fear me".

 

[mz10]

Court of public opinion is worse than the controlled court rooms today. What a freakin' shame.

Court of public opinion? He said blacks should still be slaves picking cotton!

I guess this is how we operate - Rand Paul says one thing that isn't libertarian enough and we crucify him. Cliven Bundy argues for the enslavement of an entire race, and we say that "his argument has some merit."

Come on guys. Cliven Bundy is the best thing that's happened to the Feds (which is probably why they picked him to go after). Focus on defeating government tyranny through the legislative process. Don't get swept up in toxic messes like this just for the sake of being contrarian.

 

[ClydeCoulter]

Pete's not telling us something most of us don't already know. Neither did Bundy. But, dammit, it was an idiotic thing to say. It was poorly worded and it provides fodder for those in opposition to Bundy's cause. Anyone that doesn't understand that is not listening to what others are posting.

I do understand what you are saying. And I agree that this will be a PR nightmare. Now, let's see if any of those that are actually affected by those things that he was "musing" about will come out loudly to promote a healthy conversation, or whether they will be silent and let it go the way of a media death.

 

[pcosmar]

Seriously, you DON'T talk about Negroes picking cotton.

What about white folks picking cotton? It was a job..
My first one was working in a logging camp at 12,, My brother an I were the only "whites" on the crew.

There are a lot of folks in this country that know what work is. and what welfare is.

 

[specsaregood]

Yes, I'm not looking forward to opening a twitter window in the browser, either. I was just defending Cliven, last night, against a guy (that has many followers) whose profile says "Tea Partiers fear me".

I couldn't give a shit about twitter. I'm talking about family and friends, people that I got on bundy's side (including some democrats/Hillary supporters); people whose opinion I actually care about. The same people that I had to convice Ron Paul wasn't a racist. And these people that are not going to side with anything/anyone considered remotely racist. Its just the way it is. This was an unforced error.

 

[phill4paul]

Court of public opinion? He said blacks should still be slaves picking cotton!

I guess this is how we operate - Rand Paul says one thing that isn't libertarian enough and we crucify him. Cliven Bundy argues for the enslavement of an entire race, and we say that "his argument has some merit."

Come on guys. Cliven Bundy is the best thing that's happened to the Feds (which is probably why they picked him to go after). Focus on defeating government tyranny through the legislative process. Don't get swept up in toxic messes like this just for the sake of being contrarian.

Point of contention. He did not say they should still be slaves. He said that he wondered if they would not be better off.

 

[AuH20]

I do understand what you are saying. And I agree that this will be a PR nightmare. Now, let's see if any of those that are actually affected by those things that he was "musing" about will come out loudly to promote a healthy conversation, or whether they will be silent and let it go the way of a media death.

I'm numb to it. The MSM will do as they like. I think Cliven Bundy's personal views are not integral to the argument at hand, which is that the federal government willfully altered his grazing rights agreement on a fabricated technicality (the desert tortoise), thus jeopardizing his livelihood. For the non-sheeple, that's really the crux of the argument. The rest of this is just noise.

 

[ClydeCoulter]

I couldn't give a shit about twitter. I'm talking about family and friends, people that I got on bundy's side (including some democrats/Hillary supporters); people whose opinion I actually care about. The same people that I had to convice Ron Paul wasn't a racist. And these people that are not going to side with anything/anyone considered remotely racist. Its just the way it is. This was an unforced error.

I don't care about twitter, either, other than it is a vehicle for hundreds to discuss issues. Those close to me are better informed, I make a point of it everyday. But, sorry, my post was not trying to undermine your situation.

 

[Wadesc]

Haha David Allen Coe is a perfect fit for this situation

 

[phill4paul]

I do understand what you are saying. And I agree that this will be a PR nightmare. Now, let's see if any of those that are actually affected by those things that he was "musing" about will come out loudly to promote a healthy conversation, or whether they will be silent and let it go the way of a media death.

I can assure you that there will not be a healthy conversation regarding this. I can assure you the media will not be silent and that if death comes it will be spun to label it as the deaths of white supremacists and that will be the end of that.

 

[klamath]

I'm numb to it. The MSM will do as they like. I think Cliven Bundy's personal views are not integral to the argument at hand, which is that the federal government willfully altered his grazing rights agreement on a fabricated technicality (the desert tortoise), thus jeopardizing his livelihood. For the non-sheeple, that's really the crux of the argument. The rest of this is just noise.

And that is what he should have stuck to. Now he has actually set that whole argument back worse.

 

[William Tell]

Doesn't surprise me that something this stupid would come out of this guys mouth. I like to think of myself as a race realist (meaning most PC liberals would call me a racist), but what this guy said is just disgusting. He's a completely uneducated, close minded, and hateful. Him and Richard Mack are almost caricatures of the low intelligence, racist, white "freeman" types.

These are not people that I feel I have anything in common with or want as political allies.

Sheriff Mack is one of my heroes.

 

[AuH20]

And that is what he should have stuck to. Now he has actually set that whole argument back worse.

Being the genuine article often means that you're not PC. He's a very poor communicator.

 

[ClydeCoulter]

Sheriff Mack is one of my heroes.

Sheriff Mack's comments on "Put women and children on the front lines" has been a really big deal with the left-propaganda machine. That was way out of line for him to do.

 

[Natural Citizen]

I think that Cliven is just speaking in a way that is a product of his age. Heck, most of the older people that I know still use the term "coloreds".

 

[JK/SEA]

And that is what he should have stuck to. Now he has actually set that whole argument back worse.

so you're saying the Cliven statements on his racial views are tied in with the BLM attacks?...and now the BLM attacks were justified?

 

[William Tell]

Sheriff Mack's comments on "Put women and children on the front lines" has been a really big deal with the left-propaganda machine. That was way out of line for him to do.

I know.

 

[JK/SEA]

I think that Cliven is just speaking in a way that is a product of his age. Heck, most of the older people that I know still use the term "coloreds".

yep...but there appears to be a younger mindset in here with regards to Clivens statements, and the fact that real life experiences and culture up bringing in Clivens generation is not to be tolerated, and his statements are fair game in destroying him, and fuck this BLM issue, Cliven is a monster now...

yawn.

 

[klamath]

so you're saying the Cliven statements on his racial views are tied in with the BLM attacks?...and now the BLM attacks were justified?

It is not what I am saying at all. The BLM wants them off the land but was losing the PR war. They coundn't gun him down without losing the PR war. Bundy just gave them that win.

 

[Wadesc]

A product of his times. Of course he is, thats what made this whole thing so predictable. You think anyone cares? The public wont split hairs here, and I don't think I will. But those comments were...

So...

Sooooo...

So Ill conceived that everyone with an ounce of common sense and had anything to do with him just felt their soul drop down into their bellies and out from under them to a far off place. I felt guilty holding my cards pretty tight, and now i'm glad I did.

Dude is toast.