And so the character assasination of Cliven Bundy Begins!!!!!

[William Tell]

He left Rand and heller no choice. Damn that pisses me off. He had a good solid case going on federal control of land in the west and he blew it.

I think Rand would be better of if he stopped making statements on every dang thing in the news. Granted, Bundy Ranch is an important issue.

 

[phill4paul]

Seems I have heard Prominent Black men make exactly the same argument against the Welfare State.

It has harmed Blacks far more than slavery ever did.

His statement was an argument against Welfare.

It was the way that he framed it. You might find a handful of people that believe negroes, blacks, afro-americans (what ever the hell they choose to label themselves these days) were better off as slaves. And this rant of his simply did not need to be issued. At all. It does nothing but harm for his cause.

 

[donnay]

Seems I have heard Prominent Black men make exactly the same argument against the Welfare State.

It has harmed Blacks far more than slavery ever did.

His statement was an argument against Welfare.

The thing is Welfare is slavery.

 

[PRB]

The thing is Welfare is slavery.

ask any welfare recipient or slave which one they prefer, your comparison is ignorant and insulting to say the least.

 

[AuH20]

Such as who? Welfare has harmed more than slavery? I'm sure if that were true or agreed upon by the black community, they'd gladly ask for the alternative!

Welfare is far more insidious than outright slavery in it's subtlety. Many of the imprisoned do not even know they are being held captive.

 

[William Tell]

Such as who? Welfare has harmed more than slavery? I'm sure if that were true or agreed upon by the black community, they'd gladly ask for the alternative!

I think Emanuel McLittle has said some things along those lines. And that's why you have probably never heard of him.

 

[PRB]

It was the way that he framed it. You might find a handful of people that believe negroes, blacks, afro-americans (what ever the hell they choose to label themselves these days) were better off as slaves. And this rant of his simply did not need to be issued. At all. It does nothing but harm for his cause.

better off as slaves is bullshit, if they were actually better off, they'd volunteer it. it's always non-blacks who claim blacks are better off as slaves. this is different than saying blacks are better off when civil rights didn't exist or when segregation was still common.

 

[pcosmar]

Such as who?

Walter E Williams comes to mind,, but I think Will Grigg has mentioned such as well.

 

[PRB]

Welfare is far more insidious than outright slavery in it's subtlety. Many of the imprisoned do not even know they are being held captive.

because being imprisoned is always unjust and never because you actually committed a crime, right? wait, what does prison have to do with welfare? are you using metaphors again?

 

[William Tell]

because being imprisoned is always unjust and never because you actually committed a crime, right? wait, what does prison have to do with welfare? are you using metaphors again?

Not all slaves are in prisons.

 

[klamath]

Well the progressive won that chess match. The set him up as a welfare rancher and he fell right into their trap by going off on a black welfare rant. Check and mate.

 

[AuH20]

because being imprisoned is always unjust and never because you actually committed a crime, right? wait, what does prison have to do with welfare? are you using metaphors again?

You don't need physical chains to imprison someone. You take away all hope and rob them of self-empowerment & I'll argue you that you can keep them in the desired caste. It's behavioral conditioning 101. Now I'm not saying this was done entirely on purpose (though we must wonder why the illegal drug trade specifically targets African Americans and the fact that there seems to be a liquor store on every corner in the hood), but it certainly makes you wonder.

 

[donnay]

ask any welfare recipient or slave which one they prefer, your comparison is ignorant and insulting to say the least.

Your ignorance is much more insulting.

We are all slaves for the bankers.

"None are so hopelessly enslaves as those who falsely believe they are free."

 

[mz10]

Come on guys. I'm with Bundy in his fight against the feds, but he said that blacks should have learned how to pick cotton. And we're not only defending him but agreeing with him? I hate the whole left-wing "racist" witch-hunt as much as y'all do, but this is pretty blatant. He said that Negroes should still be enslaved.

The enemy of our enemy is not our friend. Bundy can be a freedom fighter, and still have disgusting white supremacist views. The two are not mutually exclusive.

 

[CaseyJones]

"character assasination"? he just shot his "character" in the foot

 

[William Tell]

ask any welfare recipient or slave which one they prefer

Yes, those on welfare do seem to prefer that form of slavery.

 

[AuH20]

Come on guys. I'm with Bundy in his fight against the feds, but he said that blacks should have learned how to pick cotton. And we're not only defending him but agreeing with him? I hate the whole left-wing "racist" witch-hunt as much as y'all do, but this is pretty blatant. He said that Negroes should still be enslaved.

The enemy of our enemy is not our friend. Bundy can be a freedom fighter, and still have disgusting white supremacist views. The two are not mutually exclusive.

Bundy was basically stating that it would be better for idle hands to gather an agricultural product than sitting on a porch all day waiting for government subsidies.

 

[pcosmar]

but this is pretty blatant. He said that Negroes should still be enslaved.

No he didn't,,, but that is the spin that many are buying in to.

A lot of people picked cotton after slavery ended. He was suggesting that they work for a living, rather than sitting on a Government funded porch.

I remember a bunch of bullshit behind the Duck Dynasty Guys saying the same thing,, about picking cotton.
Poor white folks picked cotton too.

 

[JK/SEA]

Cliven is a throwback to a different time.

 

[klamath]

Bundy was basically stating that it would be better for idle hands to gather an agricultural product than sitting on a porch all day waiting for government subsidies.

The point is I don't have black welfare people sitting on porches being slaves to federal handouts, where I live. I have white trash Weed smoking people sitting on their porches being slaves to government handouts.
Bundy is toast. The feds will control that whole valley.