An atheist's call to arms

[TER]

isn't it time you should admit that you don't know if there is a God ?

 

[Pennsylvania]

isn't it time you should admit that you don't know if there is a God ?

TEP, was this directed at me?

 

[TER]

TEP, was this directed at me?

No, but to MRS. You already made clear that their is a possibility of a God. MRS is taking the position that he knows there is no possibility of a God.

 

[Mitt Romneys sideburns]

No, but to MRS. You already made clear that their is a possibility of a God. MRS is taking the position that he knows there is no possibility of a God.

When did I ever say that I am absolutely certain there is no god or gods?

Im talking about "know" in every day common usage. I "know" there is no God, just as I "know" there is no Godzilla. I will continue to believe this until evidence is put forward to justify the assertion that a god or a Godzilla exists.

I dont believe in Godzilla. I would say I think there is no such thing as Godzilla. However, if you would provide evidence that a Godzilla exists, I would be happy to change my stance on the issue.

I will believe in a god if you can provide evidence that a god exists.

 

[misterx]

Call to arms against what? Why should I have a problem with someone else's faith? Atheists can be just as intolerant of other beliefs as the most evangelical of preachers. I don't know where you people get the idea that secularism is under attack; it dominates the western world. What I find disgusting is the bitter hatred of faith by so many Athiestr.

 

[TER]

When did I ever say that I am absolutely certain there is no god or gods?

Im talking about "know" in every day common usage. I "know" there is no God, just as I "know" there is no Godzilla. I will continue to believe this until evidence is put forward to justify the assertion that a god or a Godzilla exists.

I dont believe in Godzilla. I would say I think there is no such thing as Godzilla. However, if you would provide evidence that a Godzilla exists, I would be happy to change my stance on the issue.

I will believe in a god if you can provide evidence that a god exists.

So you are agnostic, and not atheistic. I think I understand now.

 

[Mitt Romneys sideburns]

So you are agnostic, and not atheistic. I think I understand now.

::sigh::

Agnostic is not a fence sitting position. Agnostic is the position that you think nothing can be known with absolute certainty. Atheist is the position that you dont believe in a god.

Agnosticism has nothing to do with god. Its a position on the nature of knowledge.

 

[TER]

::sigh::

Agnostic is not a fence sitting position. Agnostic is the position that you think nothing can be known with absolute certainty. Atheist is the position that you dont believe in a god.

Agnosticism has nothing to do with god. Its a position on the nature of knowledge.

I see. So you are both?

 

[Mitt Romneys sideburns]

I see. So you are both?

they are not mutually exclusive.

 

[TER]

they are not mutually exclusive.

And from my understanding, they share some characteristics. For example, faith. Both require faith. The first that nothing can be absolutely known and the other that God does not exist.

So they both pertain to beliefs that can't be proven or disproven.

But doesn't this sound like religion?

 

[Man from La Mancha]

Guns

I can't prove God exists but guns sure do and we need as many as we can get.

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[Brooklyn Red Leg]

Perhaps someone could borrow from super string theory or the theoretical "Theory Of Everything" to help explain this. That would be neato!

Ugh. No super-string theory, please. Its bad enough that blackholes are said to be both airtight and leaky (how is THAT possible) as well as the simple fact they've never once been observed. While I don't think the entirety of the Plasma Universe model is correct, neither do I think the entirety of the Gravity Universe model is incorrect.

 

[Mitt Romneys sideburns]

And from my understanding, they share some characteristics. For example, faith. Both require faith. The first that nothing can be absolutely known and the other that God does not exist.

So they both pertain to beliefs that can't be proven or disproven.

But doesn't this sound like religion?

Does it take "faith" to believe that we are not all hooked up into the Matrix?

So does that make "not believing I am in the Matrix" a religion? By your definition you have just put forth, the belief that I am not hooked up into the Matrix is a belief based on faith, because I cant know anything for certain, and therefore a religion.

Thus a new religion is formed. Amatrixism.


You keep falling back on tired old arguments. You havnt produced a single argument here that thousands before you havnt tried. This time you went with the old, "Atheism is a religion too, so haha, we are both equally stupid"

 

[Xenophage]

Its awesome that religious nutcases invariably fall back on "You can't prove there is no God!" Totally true, but that doesn't mean I should believe there is one. How about this one though? Can I prove that YOUR GOD isn't real? Fucking sure as hell can.

In fact, you can prove it to yourself. Pray for Jesus to reveal himself. As a matter of fact, pray for anything. Pray for an apple, to appear in your hand right now. Guess what happens? NOTHING. Oops?

Here's another one: If God is all powerful, and can do anything, can he make 1+1=3?

Guess my thinking is too bound and restricted by logic. Sorry, I'll never be a mystic.

Interestingly, all you religious dolts are atheists too. You don't believe in Buddha, or Zeus, or Shiva... as a matter of fact, you're almost as atheist as I am. I just believe in one less god than you do.

 

[Mesogen]

 

[tnvoter]

This is a much better video imo.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GlZtEjtlirc

 

[Reason]

lmao

 

[SimpleName]

Really sad how negatively atheists are viewed in the U.S. I do understand the ignorance as it is clear in every other spectrum of human life, but it is so irritating. Atheists can easily have more values and stronger morals than religious people and definitely more than many religious leaders, but stupid stigmas oppress them. It doesn't help that some atheist groups insist on eliminating all religion from every aspect of human life. Just throwing that in there

 

[Mitt Romneys sideburns]

Furthermore, you DO NOT base your belief in God on "faith". You base it on evidence, just as anyone would base any other belief on.

In the case of God, your evidence is the events of the Bible. You evidence that Jesus was who he claims, is the virgin birth and the miracles he performed. If you truly based your belief on faith, why would you need the miracles? See, the miracles are your claim of evidence.


The problem is, I dont believe the evidence you put forth is in itself anything more than fabrications.

 

[Reason]

Furthermore, you DO NOT base your belief in God on "faith". You base it on evidence, just as anyone would base any other belief on.

In the case of God, your evidence is the events of the Bible. You evidence that Jesus was who he claims, is the virgin birth and the miracles he performed. If you truly based your belief on faith, why would you need the miracles? See, the miracles are your claim of evidence.


The problem is, I dont believe the evidence you put forth is in itself anything more than fabrications.

if you had even the slightest idea how many times the bible has been rewritten by MEN with alterations that these MEN decided to make for their own personal/political reasons you wouldn't dare consider the bible evidence of anything more than entertaining fiction.