Amtrak train crash outside Tacoma shuts down I-5

[dannno]

Can you screenshot the relevant portion and post it as a .jpg, so we don't have to go through miles of apps and sign ups and nonsense to see it?

https://www.infowars.com/flashback-antifa-admitted-train-track-sabotage-to-stop-fracking/

 

[Anti Federalist]

http://archive.is/6E74K

 

[pcosmar]

Can you screenshot the relevant portion and post it as a .jpg, so we don't have to go through miles of apps and sign ups and nonsense to see it?

Don't have to sign up.
https://twitter.com/officialantifa/status/880160542442311680?lang=en


and I am noticing an absence in the line of reporter questioning.

 

[phill4paul]

First responder. 25 minutes before any government employee showed up...

EAGLE SCOUT RESCUED AMTRAK PASSENGERS BEFORE 1ST RESPONDERS ARRIVED
Prayed with victims trapped in horrific derailment over I-5

Dan Konzelman was driving with his girlfriend southbound on Interstate 5, south of Tacoma, Washington, Monday morning when, to his astonishment, he saw an Amtrak train go off an overpass ahead of him and crash onto the busy freeway.

While most of the stunned onlookers in nearby automobiles stayed in place, no doubt making 9-1-1 calls for help, Konzelman – an Eagle Scout – took a nearby exit and ran to the scene.

He and his girlfriend, Alicia Hoverson, found that first-responders had not yet arrived.

The two climbed into one of the train cars, noting only a few of the train cars were still on the track and the other eight or so had derailed, with one lodged on top of automobiles on the interstate.

“We went through the trains one at a time, made sure people were stable. If they could move, we got them out. Some of them couldn’t move. They had back or neck injuries, so we assigned people to stay with them and keep them calm. And then we worked our way down to the more serious injuries, where people were pinned underneath the trains that had flipped upside down. And, unfortunately, there were some deceased.”

Konzelman estimated it was about 25 minutes before first-responders arrived at the scene.

He said he and his girlfriend, and the firefighters who eventually arrived, were able to free some of the most seriously injured passengers after about 45 minutes.

Some, Konzelman said, had broken legs or ankles and most had head trauma.

He explained that in his Boy Scout training, he was taught “how to respond in these situations.”

“They teach you to stay calm and to talk to people, to calm them down and to be a peacemaker,” he said.

“I did my best, I did what they talk me in Boy Scouts, and I think I was able to help a lot of people.

Konzelman said many of the passengers had difficulty breathing.

“We said, breathe slowly, you’re going to be OK. You’re walking on your two feet, we’re going to get you help, you look great.”

Some were in shock, he said, just sitting in their seats staring.

One of the two KING-TV anchors asked Konzelman during the live interview what made him “run toward the scene.”

“Most people don’t do that,” she observed.

“I knew I could help,” Konzelman replied, “and I knew nobody else would; and I knew that if I was in that position, pinned underneath a train car, I would want somebody to come help me. I couldn’t not help.”

He said he and his girlfriend prayed with many of the injured and trapped passengers, to comfort them and “let them know that God is with them.”

“In a situation like this you feel pretty small, but when you realize God is in control, it’s really calming, and there’s a lot of peace in knowing that,” he said.

The anchor asked him what he specifically prayed, then, before Konzelman could respond, added that the question may be “too personal.”

“No,” he said, indicating he was comfortable answering her. “I prayed for God to just be in the situation. Some of the cars were suspended, and as the firefighters and police officers were working to remove people, I was fearful that they might shift and injure more people. So I was praying that God would stabilize the train cars and prevent any further injury.”

He said he also prayed “that God would give the people involved peace and comfort … and would just help us get these people out.”

“A lot of people were so thankful that we could be there to keep them calm and be with them and pray with them and give them God’s peace,” Konzelman said. “That’s all I could do, and that’s what I was doing.”

http://mobile.wnd.com/2017/12/eagle...e-1st-responders-arrived/#XGlIDd06H44uruqO.01


But, by all means, let's make the Boy Scouts about inclusiveness and diversity and all the other B.S. that has turned the B.S. it into a collective progressive hive mind.

 

[pcosmar]

First responder. 25 minutes before any government employee showed up...

First Responders are the people that are there. Every time.

You are here. DO or DO NOT,,

as if I-5 isn't bad enough,, now we have to watch for flying trains.

 

[pcosmar]

Updates.
3 confirmed fatalities. All Train. No Fatalities in autos involved. approx 100 transported to hospitals.
NTSB investigation onsite. and Removal will take some time.

North open ,South closed.. detours.

My opinion,, road will take some time to open.

 

[phill4paul]

First Responders are the people that are there. Every time.

You are here. DO or DO NOT,,

as if I-5 isn't bad enough,, now we have to watch for flying trains.

I wonder if government employees are allowed to offer prayer. I'm guessing not.

 

[Swordsmyth]

I wonder if government employees are allowed to offer prayer. I'm guessing not.

Only if it is an islamic prayer.

 

[Anti Federalist]

First responder. 25 minutes before any government employee showed up...

But, by all means, let's make the Boy Scouts about inclusiveness and diversity and all the other B.S. that has turned the B.S. it into a collective progressive hive mind.

Well, he had to know about trans qu eer gender assumption so he would not trigger anybody by saying "Let me help you sir".

 

[Anti Federalist]

Only if it is an islamic prayer.

Or a prayer to Gaia

 

[Swordsmyth]

Or a prayer to Gaia

Or lucifer.

 

[phill4paul]

Appears they are blaming it on it's speed. Supposedly going 80 in a 30mph zone. There was some gadget that is supposed to slow the train but it wasn't in full operation though it was installed. This will go down as engineer error, more than likely.

 

[phill4paul]

This wasn't the only Amtrak wreck yesterday. Another hit a semi-trailer.

Amtrak train collides with semi truck in San Marcos

SAN MARCOS, Texas (KXAN) — An Amtrak train and a semi truck collided in San Marcos, Monday evening. An official on scene told KXAN’s Lauren Lanmon it did not appear there were any injuries.

In video sent to KXAN, firefighters were seen at the Wonder World Drive train crossing just west of Interstate 35. Around 9:25 p.m., the train continued on its way and crews were picking up products spilled from the truck.

An Amtrak spokesperson said the collision happened at 7:46 p.m. None of the 150 passengers or crew on board the train were injured.

http://kxan.com/2017/12/18/amtrak-t...m_medium=social&utm_source=facebook_KXAN_News

 

[oyarde]

I wonder if government employees are allowed to offer prayer. I'm guessing not.

Only if they are transgender or muslim is my guess .

 

[pcosmar]

This will go down as engineer error, more than likely.

That was my guess yesterday (watching News).
I could see where the train left its trail,,, or the track left the track. straight off the curve on new and tested track.

it was still incredibly stupid of the ANTIFA punks to post that shit,, and equally stupid not to suspect and investigate that threat.

 

[Anti Federalist]

Appears they are blaming it on it's speed. Supposedly going 80 in a 30mph zone. There was some gadget that is supposed to slow the train but it wasn't in full operation though it was installed. This will go down as engineer error, more than likely.

Self driving trains in 3...2...1...

 

[pcosmar]

Self driving trains in 3...2...1...

A Traffic Control override. E-Brakes.

They do have such a thing as an operator activated Emergency Derailer.
Though that would not have helped in this case. Brakes would have. a Throttle governor perhaps.
Train was at excess speed 1/4 mile prior.

 

[Zippyjuan]

Train was going 80 mph through a zone where it should have been doing 30 mph. Looking into possible "distracted driver".

https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-new...ngineer-deadly-washington-train-crash-n831341

A conductor was in the cab with the train engineer during an Amtrak train's deadly derailment in Washington state, federal transportation officials revealed Tuesday, adding that the train's brakes were eventually engaged automatically, not by the engineer.

"Absolutely distraction is one of our most-wanted-list priorities at NTSB," National Transportation Safety Board member Bella Dinh-Zarr said at a news conference, although she added that the federal board has not determined a cause of the deadly accident outside Tacoma.

Three people were killed when the Amtrak train headed from Seattle to Portland, Oregon, careened off a bridge at around 7:33 a.m. PT.

The train was speeding, traveling at 80 mph in a 30-mph stretch of track, investigators have said.

A conductor "who was getting experience and familiarizing himself with the territory" was in the cab with the engineer, she said, while the train's actual conductor was in the passenger area. Being familiar with the territory is one of the duties of the conductor, she said.

"As far as exactly what they were doing, we will be talking with them and finding that out," Dinh-Zarr said. It is standard protocol at the NTSB to look at all of the cellphone records of all the crew members after an accident, she said.

 

[Zippyjuan]

A Traffic Control override. E-Brakes.

They do have such a thing as an operator activated Emergency Derailer.
Though that would not have helped in this case. Brakes would have. a Throttle governor perhaps.
Train was at excess speed 1/4 mile prior.

They have a system called "positive train control" which is supposed to give automatic control over a train not doing what it should.

https://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2017/12/washington-wreck-positive-train-control/548744/

Amtrak said Monday that Positive Train Control, a technological failsafe intended to avoid collisions, excessive speed, and other human errors, was installed on the stretch of track where the train derailed but was not in effect and was still in testing.

Mechanical and equipment failures are more common causes of train wrecks than human error, but human error often plays a role in the most spectacular crashes. In May 2015, Amtrak 188 derailed in Philadelphia, killing eight people. The NTSB concluded that the engineer had been distracted by radio traffic and failed to slow down headed into a curve. In 2016, a New Jersey Transit train going too fast crashed at Hoboken Terminal. In 2008, a Metrolink train collided with a freight train in Los Angeles, killing 25, an accident NTSB said was caused by its engineer texting and missing signals.

Each of these cases would likely have been preventable with PTC, which acts somewhat like an autopilot on a train. If an engineer fails to slow down to speed limits, or blows through a signal, the system will override the manual controls and slow the train down.

The 2008 crash led Congress to mandate that PTC be in place on all passenger, commuter, and hazardous-materials trains by the end of 2015. Railroads warned that they would be forced to halt service on January 1, 2016, if an extension was not granted. Toward the end of 2015, with railroads complaining they could not roll the system out fast enough, Congress extended its deadline to 2018. Amtrak, which is perpetually strapped for cash, has struggled to pay for the installation of the system.

Yet horrifying and fatal crashes continue to pile up in the absence of PTC. In the curve where Amtrak 188 crashed in Philadelphia in 2015, PTC was in place on the southbound side of the track but not the northbound side. NJ Transit had received a waiver excusing it from installing PTC at the Hoboken stretch where the 2016 crash occurred. Now comes the Washington state case, where PTC was installed but not yet in place.

 

[Anti Federalist]

Anthrax

In 1934 the PRR could make the run from NYC to Chicago in an hour and half less than government run Anthrax can do it now.

I've been informed by someone more knowledgeable in trains that the actual difference is FOUR hours quicker.

Furthermore that the consist was a "pusher" type, which is not the ideal set up for high speed operations.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Amtrak_Cascades