American killed by tribemen in Indian islands

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Origanalist said:
Worse than that they don't even know how to use money. How are they going to pay taxes?
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Are you sure they aren’t using any type of currency for exchange? In that case, they may need to be liberated and introduced to Democracy, and then they can institute that global symbol of civilization, a central bank.
 
Suzanimal said:
The guy wasn't naive. He knew what he was getting into. According to an account I read, he went to the island on the 15th got shot with arrows, they smashed his canoe and had to swim back to the fisherman's boat. What does he do the next day? Goes back. :blank: He wrote a letter to his parents saying if he died, not to think he was crazy or be mad at the tribe but he felt like he needed to share the Gospel with them.

I actually posted an article on this tribe a year or so ago. If I know about them and know not to go near their island, I suspect this fellow knew the risks, as well.

As far as the JW analogy goes, I wouldn't have a problem with someone shooting them - especially if they were given a warning, a warning shot, and if the homeowner had a checkered history with trespassers. Apparently, the British colonized the island at one point killed almost all the natives and the Indian government has laws against disturbing them because they have no immunity to modern disease. That Christian could've spread a lot more than the Gospel to those people but I guess he figured he was it was worth it. It's a shame the young man lost his life but damn...

Hopefully, they are left alone because I saw a headline saying some Christian group is calling for justice to be served on the tribe. I didn't read the article. Could be fake news but who knows in this crazy world.

I'm not pissed but I am jealous. I'd love to have an island I could defend with spears and bow and arrows.:)
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This. Also there is a big difference between pestering a sovereign nation (which is actually what this tribe) who has no way to understanding why you are encroaching on its territory and a regular citizen who is aware of US laws and customs

Wish I can rep this post :)
 
Kilrain said:
And also commanded to "do to others what you would have them do to you". Which I think would include not pestering people when your presence clearly isn't welcome.

I'm more in the "Let's not presume to know what God wants you to do" school. Deus vult smacks a little too much of arrogance and self-importance IMO.
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It's not "presuming" anything. Try reading the Bible.
 
LibertyEagle said:
It's not "presuming" anything. Try reading the Bible.
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As an argument, "because Bible" is beyond terrible. Maybe it's my Lutheran heritage, but I really try not to push "my" version of Christianity on others. Because it just doesn't make sense. As far as I'm concerned, religion is personal, and people pushing their (not God's, their) faith on others are dicks. Because claiming that you know God's will better than others - that your interpretation of scripture is correct - makes you an arrogant A-hole in my book.

This guy invading the private space of these islanders is no different from some Jehovah's Witness breaking into your home and trying to force you into what in their mind is the "correct" religion.

Thinking that you know what God wants means elevating yourself into the position of God. For some reason, if there is a Heaven, I don't think anyone who presumes - yes, presumes - to know God's will can ever make it there.
 
Kilrain said:
This guy invading the private space of these islanders is no different from some Jehovah's Witness breaking into your home and trying to force you into what in their mind is the "correct" religion.
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It's actually worse because, as Suzanimal mentions above, these people have no natural immunity to Western diseases. The guy trying to get to them was actually a biohazard.
 
Kilrain said:
As an argument, "because Bible" is beyond terrible. Maybe it's my Lutheran heritage, but I really try not to push "my" version of Christianity on others. Because it just doesn't make sense. As far as I'm concerned, religion is personal, and people pushing their (not God's, their) faith on others are dicks. Because claiming that you know God's will better than others - that your interpretation of scripture is correct - makes you an arrogant A-hole in my book.

This guy invading the private space of these islanders is no different from some Jehovah's Witness breaking into your home and trying to force you into what in their mind is the "correct" religion.

Thinking that you know what God wants means elevating yourself into the position of God. For some reason, if there is a Heaven, I don't think anyone who presumes - yes, presumes - to know God's will can ever make it there.
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I dont profess to be the Christian scholar here, but I think one of Christ's teachings was to be a fisher of men. To save people, and spread the word. That being said, there is a line between saving someone and harassment. Some people (tribes) are just not receptive to the message. For some reason this missionary chose to ignore the many billions of others who might be receptive to his message, and chose to impose upon these "primitive people". From what I recall of the story, God may have sent this guy plenty of signs that he was trespassing, and it would not end well. I would chalk this unfortunate situation up to a personal sacrifice. Some people mistakenly think that good deeds alone will buy your way into heaven... Its a shame really, but at least people are not vilifying the tribe - perhaps its because the guy was a Christian missionary (defacto bad guy by today's standards)
 
PierzStyx said:
Yet, you cannot convert people who will not listen. Jesus Himself taught that those intentionally deaf cannot hear the message.
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Seems to me I recall Christians being admonished in such cases to "kick the dust off [their] feet" and move on, not continue to impose where they aren'tbwanted and try to shove their dogma down the throats of others.
 
Anyone who knows how to locate Sentinel Island would know its reputation, so I can't work up too much sympathy for this fellow.

That said, murder is murder even if the victim is an idiot.
 
IDK, the story reads like some sort of parable/allegory for the bible/Jesus itself, instead of real news story. Bringing the gospel to the heathens and they respond by killing him. Hangin' out with fishermen, "walking" on water, stuff like that.

initials are JC even

"tribemen"
 
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CCTelander said:
Seems to me I recall Christians being admonished in such cases to "kick the dust off [their] feet" and move on, not continue to impose where they aren'tbwanted and try to shove their dogma down the throats of others.
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The believers in Rome should have dusted their Heels. long ago.
Legalization was bad for the Church.

and God does not send people to be pointlessly killed. Men do that.
 
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