AMERICAN car? buy a piece of crap?

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We *almost* bought a Challenger, but the view from the windshield was funky. Plus the interior just felt cheap. It was very cool to look at on the outside, but it seems like they cut a lot of costs on the interior.

I am glad that we didn't. Bailout seeking leeches that they are....
 
We *almost* bought a Challenger, but the view from the windshield was funky. Plus the interior just felt cheap. It was very cool to look at on the outside, but it seems like they cut a lot of costs on the interior.

I am glad that we didn't. Bailout seeking leeches that they are....

Well, that cheap interior is what enables them to make the Mercedes E-class mechanicals affordable--those and the pushrods in the pickup truck engines. I suppose it all comes down to whether you want your sophistication inside or underneath. I'm leadfoot enough to prefer the latter.

As for the leech part, well, I wish it was so simple. The government trashed Chrysler. They got loan guarantees before and paid those loans back, but by then they had forcibly been required to compete with two larger and richer corporations during a time of unprecedented regulation which cost them all millions in engineering investments, they were forced to cease all efforts to be a multinational at that time as part of their bankruptcy, they had to give up such profitable divisions as Chrysler Defense (General Dynamics got the M1 Abrams for a song), they had to get out of the heavy truck business because they couldn't afford to keep up with the unprecedented truck regulations and still keep their cars legal, and they got saddled with Iacocca trying to turn them into a second-rate imitation of Ford...

And all of this benefitted GM and Ford, but they didn't reinvest properly. Though Ford woke up and smelled the coffee after almost collapsing themselves.

I'd have a lot less patience with these two for taking bailouts if they had been able to operate in a free market. But they weren't. I have a lot less patience with GM than Chrysler because the former bribed a bunch of politicians to pass those automobile-ruining regulations in an obvious effort to kill Chrysler, and now they're hoisted on their own petard. Poetic justice, there. That said, I can tell you this. I'm not going to let these bailouts drive me to just any import brand, because the vast majority of them are much more heavily subsidized than any of ours.

Meanwhile, I want to start a car company. Only thing is, I want to build automobiles, and that's pretty much illegal. So, what I really want to do is to start a motorcycle company that builds enclosed motorcycles. Anyone want to invest?
 
Also, figured this out this morning...remember the huge amount of pork set aside to remake the federal automobile fleet as "green" vehicles? Wonder who will get the contract to do that?

How many members of Congress own shares in the Big Three, I wonder?

It's all about the $$$.
 
I will never buy another NEW car from GM or Chrysler .... EVER.

My friends and I have all made an agreement that we (our families as a whole) will never buy anything again from a company that was bailed out. We have also all agreed to no longer do business with any bank that has taken bailout money.

I'll buy from whomever gives me the best deal for my money- whether they got "bailed out" or not.

I'm not going to screw myself over just to make some pointless "statement" - I'll make the best deal I can.
 
Well now. Let's conduct a thought experiment, shall we? It's 2013, civilization as we know it has failed completely, and you can't get an engine control computer at any price to save your life. Furthermore, little oil is available, and you have your choice of vegetable oil and pure grain alchohol. Hell of a deal. Now, your car's injectors probably can't handle the alchohol and your computer won't last forever. Are you going to call someone who knows what 'rejet a carburetor' means and can rig up a points-and-condenser distributor with both centrifugal and vacuum advance an old fart and tell him he doesn't know shit? Because if you do, he's liable to drive away and let you continue on your nice, long walk...

Ya insolent little whipper snapper.

No i'm referring to the comments about American Cars, i was using sarcasism about the 76. I personally don't know shit about carbs, but i can assure you i grew up building/racing EFi Mustangs. It's effing child's play to build a EFI car, 302 pushrod, Americans cars were ( pre-overhead cam) very easy to work on and great cars. There is an art to carbs, no doubt. Good post Grampa.
 
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