America Last - Saudis agree to increase oil production 50 percent

[pcosmar]

Why?

It is a process that increases flow rates through pay sands making old wells perform like new, that's all.

I've fracked a thousand wells offshore and never had a single incident.

But all that oil is still sold on the OPEC Market by OPEC rules.

There are no Independent producers.(wiped out in the 70s) It is an effective Monopoly.

 

[Anti Federalist]

I remember the 1970s.
The Oil Embargo..

I remember gas going over a Dollar.

I paid over $5.00 for it last time.

Saudi Arabia has held this country in virtual slavery because of Oil.. OPEC sets the Price.

Time to wean off that tit.

We were off that tit Pete.

Me and 100,000 other guys all did what they said would never happen again, we produced more oil and natural gas than what the country needed.

We were beholden to no hostile foreign power of any kind for our energy needs.

On day one this administration started to do what it said it was going to do all along: kill the domestic oil and gas production market.

 

[69360]

Why?

It is a process that increases flow rates through pay sands making old wells perform like new, that's all.

I've fracked a thousand wells offshore and never had a single incident.

I don't like the idea of fracturing the bedrock. I worry that it could have unintended consequences. Injecting chemicals into the ground doesn't seem like the best thing for groundwater either. I'm not an expert or a treehugger, it's just my opinion.

 

[pcosmar]

We were off that tit Pete.

Me and 100,000 other guys all did what they said would never happen again, we produced more oil and natural gas than what the country needed.

We were beholden to no hostile foreign power of any kind for our energy needs.

On day one this administration started to do what it said it was going to do all along: kill the domestic oil and gas production market.

All oil Production has been under control of OPEC..

Much like the Hydro Electric plant in my home town..

It produces power sold on the grid,, and you have to buy it back..

It should power the entire UP,, but it doesn't really.. It powers the grid.

Oil on the Market is OPEC controlled,, they own the PetroDollar.

I know,,, It Should Not Be.

 

[Swordsmyth]

Saudis Say No Agreement To Increase Production After Biden
https://www.thefinancialtrends.com/...agreement-to-increase-production-after-biden/

 

[A Son of Liberty]

I said fracking. I'm not a fan of the process. Drilling is fairly safe and clean.

That's not an answer. Are you familiar AT ALL with the process of hydraulic fracturing? Do you have any idea how it works?

 

[A Son of Liberty]

Not climate change if that's what you're thinking about (I couldn't blame you). I do not support wind at all, and my views on solar are that its footprint in temperate areas is worse for the environment than fossil fuels are. The environmental effects of oil and gas drilling should be obvious. Again, in some areas much more than others. For example, I do not want offshore drill platforms on the East or West coast. I did not support the Keystone pipeline. Fracking has its problems in creating earthquake vulnerabilities and in leaching to groundwater. When we bought the lies about peak oil 15 years ago, we expanded into areas that had not been impacted environmentally before, such as North Dakota and parts of Canada, the tar sands extraction is a very geopgraphically intensive footprint. I am against the development of ANWR and all national monuments and protected areas, for biodiversity sake. Additionally there is the abuse of federal land contracts that is a corrupt handout to the big corporations, that land is our land, not theirs to profit off. A similar situation exists with mining. I don't support Pebble Mine. None of this has anything to do with the fraudulent wind and solar promotional scams run by corrupt Democrats, which I abhor, or an endorsement of their arguments as to the cause of and proper response to global warming, which I don't agree with. Also, it is not my main argument in the post. Increasing imports is also bad for the environment, as is the Pentagon's obsessions with world power; it is the single largest consumer of petro fuels on the planet - for what?

That's not an answer to the question - the question was, "What - SPECIFICALLY - environmental damage are you referring to?"

I've been on hundreds of well pads in my days in the industry, all over the country. I've seen every process from breaking ground to flowing gas. Frack fluids almost never impact groundwater. Have you ever seen a cut-away of a typical well-bore? There are multiple - in some cases as many as 7 layers of steel casing and concrete between the bore and the surrounding ground. Each casing string is pressure tested before the next section is drilled and the next string is set. It is diminishingly rare that frack fluids ever impact ground water once it is pumped down hole. The process of hydraulic fracturing takes place in the pay zone, which is typically many thousands of feet below the surface. Your average water well is a few hundred feet deep, and most aquifers are not much deeper. There is no consumable water at the depths at which fracking takes place.

And your socialist argument that "the land is our land, not theirs to profit off", is utter nonsense. We ALL profit by the extraction of O&G - it literally makes your cozy modern life possible, in almost all aspects - from the clothes you wear to the plastics you're surrounded by, to the heat that keeps you warm in the winter and the A/C that keeps you cool in the summer.

Like most people I've encountered who have some vague apprehension about "drilling/fracking", when pressed they can't actually identify any actual adverse effects... or they cite some BS like the movie "Gasland".

O&G extraction, from drilling to completion (fracking) is one of the safest and cleanest means of recovering fossil fuels. And NG is second only to nuclear in terms of clean energy.

 

[A Son of Liberty]

I don't like the idea of fracturing the bedrock. I worry that it could have unintended consequences. Injecting chemicals into the ground doesn't seem like the best thing for groundwater either. I'm not an expert or a treehugger, it's just my opinion.

See above. Your fears are basically unfounded. There are literally thousands of wells in this country that have been fracked, with negligible environmental impact.

Fracking takes place, in most cases, thousands of feet below groundwater depths.

 

[A Son of Liberty]

But all that oil is still sold on the OPEC Market by OPEC rules.

There are no Independent producers.(wiped out in the 70s) It is an effective Monopoly.

There actually are a ton of independent E&P's, and the industry is in no way a monopoly. It's not even close. People have this idea that only the majors produce in the US. Most of the majors (Shell, Exxon, etc.) aren't really interested in domestic drilling. They prefer to drill where the economics are more favorable, probably because their overhead is so high that making money on domestic wells is pretty tricky, on account of the cost per well.

 

[unknown]

OPEC?

Doesn't our government run the oil fields in Iraq, Syria and Libya?

 

[kahless]

They should pass legislation to decouple the US from the world oil markets and make it exclusively a North American oil marketplace. The problem is also with refineries closing including the largest Houston refinery. Do whatever is necessary in regulation and tax incentives to keep these refineries open and license new capacity.

 

[Snowball]

And your socialist argument that "the land is our land, not theirs to profit off", is utter nonsense. We ALL profit by the extraction of O&G

I'm talking about offshore and shale bakken mostly. My objection to the selling of contracts for energy production and mining on protected lands is environmental because I'm a conservationist. I believe that conservation is more important than allegiance to any misguided perception of economic benefit that trickles down to the masses. The masses are in need of ever-increasing assistance because we allowed Wall Street to rape the public treasury. I'm sure you're familiar with the Homestead Act. Hundreds of thousands of American midwestern and western families received their land for NOTHING, and it's been passed down generationally. Yet, by the same principle, you call it hogwash that our public lands are owned by the people? They are, by law. Would you prefer they be sold to multinational billionaires for the formation of fiefdoms? Maybe you would. There was a time when conservatives wanted to protect the environment, in the 1970s before the neoconservatives took control of our minds. They didn't get mine. Still, I asked you to address the main points in my first post - that we don't need more oil and gas. That the rising prices have nothing to do with supply lacking. Our energy bills are sky high, but they all get paid, are you for the de-facto corporate welfare that is financed by the public welfare which pays these people's bills? Increasing supply via imports or North American production won't do squat to change anything. The largest "American" gas producer has inked a trillion dollar contract with China. That's where the extra production is earmarked for - export. I want an energy policy that involves fair pricing, not Wall Street manipulation to benefit Blackrock and Vanguard. I want to protect our shores and wetlands, our forests and mountains, and all the wonderful species which once populated this continent from further decimation for the profits of pigs in suits and ties.

 

[Anti Federalist]

I don't like the idea of fracturing the bedrock. I worry that it could have unintended consequences. Injecting chemicals into the ground doesn't seem like the best thing for groundwater either. I'm not an expert or a treehugger, it's just my opinion.

Son of Liberty addressed many of these, I just want to follow up.

Bedrock does not get fracked. Oil and gas are trapped under pressure in sand and limestone formations. Fracking breaks up those soft paysands to allow better flow. That's all it does. Fluids pumped downhole are collected at the well head and recirculated. Oil and gas deposits are also capped by shale and salt domes. These are never producing zones and do not get fracked.

Fracking is a minimally invasive process that has been used since 1947 safely and effectively.

Some chemicals regularly used are salt water, vinegar, sodium bicarbonate, crushed walnut and pecan shells and citric acid. Most all are very benign, none are highly toxic.

Depending on the oil well in question, groundwater exists miles above any fracking operation.

Here's a story about a huge new deep fresh water aquifer discovered in Texas, near Uvalde as a matter of fact. It's one of the deepest in the world at about 5000 feet.

I've been involved in wells that reached target depth at over 35000 feet. Most are in the 20000 to 25000 foot range. Literally miles below any groundwater.

 

[Anti Federalist]

I want to protect our shores and wetlands, our forests and mountains, and all the wonderful species which once populated this continent from further decimation for the profits of pigs in suits and ties.

I agree.

This is what the Gulf of Mexico looks like when looking out over what is one of highest production offshore oil fields in the world.

This is what the oceans will look like:

 

[Anti Federalist]

from further decimation for the profits of pigs in suits and ties

I don't wear a suit, but I was in the trenches doing the work and earning a handsome salary as well.

Am I a "pig"?

Bernie Sanders said I should go to jail.

Do you agree?

 

[Snowball]

I agree.

This is what the Gulf of Mexico looks like when looking out over what is one of highest production offshore oil fields in the world.

As I said -- I'm totally against Wind. I woud ban it. In many cases of land abuse and de-forestation I am against Solar.
But that doesn't mean just because you post a picture of open sea, Deepwater Horizon didn't happen.

 

[A Son of Liberty]

I'm talking about offshore and shale bakken mostly. My objection to the selling of contracts for energy production and mining on protected lands is environmental because I'm a conservationist. I believe that conservation is more important than allegiance to any misguided perception of economic benefit that trickles down to the masses. The masses are in need of ever-increasing assistance because we allowed Wall Street to rape the public treasury. I'm sure you're familiar with the Homestead Act. Hundreds of thousands of American midwestern and western families received their land for NOTHING, and it's been passed down generationally. Yet, by the same principle, you call it hogwash that our public lands are owned by the people? They are, by law. Would you prefer they be sold to multinational billionaires for the formation of fiefdoms? Maybe you would. There was a time when conservatives wanted to protect the environment, in the 1970s before the neoconservatives took control of our minds. They didn't get mine. Still, I asked you to address the main points in my first post - that we don't need more oil and gas. That the rising prices have nothing to do with supply lacking. Our energy bills are sky high, but they all get paid, are you for the de-facto corporate welfare that is financed by the public welfare which pays these people's bills? Increasing supply via imports or North American production won't do squat to change anything. The largest "American" gas producer has inked a trillion dollar contract with China. That's where the extra production is earmarked for - export. I want an energy policy that involves fair pricing, not Wall Street manipulation to benefit Blackrock and Vanguard. I want to protect our shores and wetlands, our forests and mountains, and all the wonderful species which once populated this continent from further decimation for the profits of pigs in suits and ties.

This is a bunch of incoherent jibberish. I've spent plenty of time in the Bakken, and AF can speak to the impact on Deep water drilling. The land isn't sold to developers - it is LEASED to them. The footprint of a multi-well pad is several hundred square feet, and that pad continues to produce for decades.

I suggest you get out and actually see what you're so opposed to, rather than just expound pointlessly on an internet backwater. If you'd like, I'd be happy to take you out to drilling country and you'd see that the only thing besides O&G that is made out there is wealthy Americans.

 

[A Son of Liberty]

As I said -- I'm totally against Wind. I woud ban it. In many cases of land abuse and de-forestation I am against Solar.
But that doesn't mean just because you post a picture of open sea, Deepwater Horizon didn't happen.

Do you have ANY idea how the modern world actually works? Energy is ABSOLUTELY critical to our world, son.

It's a good thing that people like you aren't in charge of policy - it's bad enough that buffoons with similar ideas are getting close to the levers of power... God forbid if they ever succeed. It will be the end of the modern world!

 

[Anti Federalist]

As I said -- I'm totally against Wind. I woud ban it. In many cases of land abuse and de-forestation I am against Solar.
But that doesn't mean just because you post a picture of open sea, Deepwater Horizon didn't happen.

No need to tell me about it.

I was there, within the first two hours to the very end.

My sister ship was the one that rescued all the guys out of the water.

You do realize that naturally occurring oil seeps within just the GoM, release more petroleum than Deepwater Horizon, every year?

Or that environmental regulations were the final link in the error chain that blew the rig up and killed those men?

Unlike refined product, which can be a real issue if spilled in any great amount, petroleum is a naturally occurring substance that nature mitigates fairly easily, especially when it's "light sweet" crude like the Macando well produced.

I was, quite literally, right over top that well, for months.

The vast bulk of that oil evaporated.

5 to 10 miles away from the site, depending on wind and current, and you would not be aware that anything had gone wrong.

 

[GlennwaldSnowdenAssanged]