AMA supporrts outlawing home births

[zadrock]

http://abcnews.go.com/Health/Story?id=5340949&page=1



Z

 

[Bryan]

http://abcnews.go.com/Health/Story?id=5340949&page=1



Z

And certainly only an AMA approved doctor is qualified. We must save the children! Literally!

This is one of my favorite pieces of all times:

100 Years of Medical Robbery
www.mises.org/story/1547

The American Medical Association (AMA) was founded in 1847 around two propositions: one, all doctors should have a "suitable education" and two, a "uniform elevated standard of requirements for the degree of M.D. should be adopted by all medical schools in the U.S." [1] In the days of its founding AMA was much more open--at its conferences and in its publications--about its real goal: building a government-enforced monopoly for the purpose of dramatically increasing physician incomes.

 

[madengr]

In no way should it be illegal, but they do have a point:

"I worry about the small percentage of women who have unpredictable complications," she said. "The studies are conflicting. My fear with home deliveries is that, even in the best, most capable hands, a home doesn't have the equipment needed to save a life in an extreme circumstance."

 

[SeanEdwards]

I can see their point, but this begs the question: how in the world would an arrest go down? Will they have to produce itty-bitty fetus sized handcuffs?

 

[pappy]

I am a doctor. Not in the AMA because of arrogant, self-serving views such as this. They have many more where that one came from too.

Their logics are right (correct), but not right (moral). They seek to take away freedom from the patients AND the physicians they supposedly represent.

pappy

 

[noxagol]

In no way should it be illegal, but they do have a point:

That is something the mother has to take into consideration. Who is the AMA to make such a decision for her?

And they tried to make it illegal in Missouri a month or two ago, I don't remember how that turned out.

 

[Dr.3D]

I guess I was lucky then.... I was born at home.

 

[Bryan]

In no way should it be illegal, but they do have a point:

"I worry about the small percentage of women who have unpredictable complications," she said. "The studies are conflicting. My fear with home deliveries is that, even in the best, most capable hands, a home doesn't have the equipment needed to save a life in an extreme circumstance."

I wonder if she worries about all the women throughout the world or just the ones in the USA? If she is that concerned maybe she should travel to some 3rd world countries and help out the poor mothers? That would be great.

I can see their point, but this begs the question: how in the world would an arrest go down? Will they have to produce itty-bitty fetus sized handcuffs?

No, there is no need for itty-bitty handcuffs, just full sized adult ones for each adult present. The child of course will go into the good hands of CPS, proper education could then start immediately without meddling parents.


A quote:

Tracy emphasized that, although the AMA's resolution calls for legislation, at no time in the conference was there any talk of criminalizing women who have home births.

The mere fact that she would even think to have to mention this is very distributing.

 

[Dr.3D]

The child of course will go into the good hands of CPS, proper education could then start immediately without meddling parents.

LOL, yeah, "education"... lol... (thinks indoctrination)

 

[youngbuck]

I am a doctor. Not in the AMA because of arrogant, self-serving views such as this. They have many more where that one came from too.

Their logics are right (correct), but not right (moral). They seek to take away freedom from the patients AND the physicians they supposedly represent.

pappy

Do you have to be an AMA member to work at a hospital? Or do people just join it for the heck of it to act more prestigious, and put in on their resume?

 

[pappy]

Do you have to be an AMA member to work at a hospital? Or do people just join it for the heck of it to act more prestigious, and put in on their resume?

No you don't. it's just the latter. AMA promises to fight for you as a physician. They provide some perks/benefits etc. It's really just a Union for docs and lobbying gruop (a very powerful one).

pappy

 

[JosephTheLibertarian]

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Z

Well, I'm ok as long as I can still inseminate a woman at home.

 

[Dr.3D]

Well, I'm ok as long as I can still inseminate a woman at home.

Well, the time will probably come when they will want you to make a deposit so they can check it for diseases and hereditary problems, then if it passes the inspection, they will inseminate a woman with it for you. Just watch how fast our liberties are eroding and there seems little doubt they will make it illegal to inseminate a woman the old fashioned way. You would probably need a license to do so in the future.

 

[noxagol]

Everyone should watch Demolition Man. My only hope is I get to play Simon Phoenix minus the crime and adding liberation.

 

[madengr]

After the birth of our two kids, there is no way I would ever (well, I mean my wife) birth at home. Our first one went fine (natural birth) until our daughter breathed in too much fluid so they stuck her under an oxygen hood for a few hours. The second one was an emergency c-section after 3 months of bed-rest. Of course we knew the second one was going to be a c-section (previa), so a hospital birth was pretty much a given. However without modern technology and medicine my wife and son would be DRT. IMHO the risks of something going wrong outweigh the benefits (which there really are none) of birthing at home. Fortunately we have a healthy 2 year old and 3 month old.

 

[SeanEdwards]

Cops surround the birthing bed, guns drawn, yelling "Come out with your hands up!"

 

[noxagol]

After the birth of our two kids, there is no way I would ever (well, I mean my wife) birth at home. Our first one went fine (natural birth) until our daughter breathed in too much fluid so they stuck her under an oxygen hood for a few hours. The second one was an emergency c-section after 3 months of bed-rest. Of course we knew the second one was going to be a c-section (previa), so a hospital birth was pretty much a given. However without modern technology and medicine my wife and son would be DRT. IMHO the risks of something going wrong outweigh the benefits (which there really are none) of birthing at home. Fortunately we have a healthy 2 year old and 3 month old.

Still doesn't make it OK to force people to do it in a hospital.

 

[madengr]

Still doesn't make it OK to force people to do it in a hospital.

Yeah, I know. That's the same thing I said in my first post. Smoking crack is stupid too, but that does not mean it should be illegal.

 

[SeanEdwards]

Still doesn't make it OK to force people to do it in a hospital.

If a majority of the people want home birth to be illegal, then illegal it shall be, and rightly so.

Parents don't own their children. If they take actions that the community deems harmful to their child, then the community can and will punish, and remove the child from their "care" if necessary.

 

[pinkmandy]

For all of you saying that a hospital is always the safest way to go, how many of you have actually researched that? How many of you have looked up accidental maternal deaths in hospitals? Staph infections? Unnecessary c-sections? Unnecessary episiotomies? All of the "other stuff" that isn't mentioned? How much research have you done on homebirths to make such statements? I'm guessing none or very, very little?

Of course modern technology is awesome to have but it doesn't mean that every birth is in need of medical intervention. Very few are percentage wise. I'd think that the vast majority of women are perfectly capable of deciding where they want to give birth.