Am I the only one who is disappointed with Dr. Paul?

[hotbrownsauce]

EDIT posted in wrong thread lol

 

[Maestro]

Since when is our movement divided? If you have been around for awhile you will realize these things wash over in a few days and people return back to business and concentrate on things that matter AKA NOT worthless third party candidates who have no momentum, no grassroots and no money.... The election will be over in 2 months what will u do when both get two percent? I guess that ends our movement..

Well said!

 

[hotbrownsauce]

No matter who Paul picks someone is going to step up and disagree. The only way we could have all won is if he was on the ballot Nov 5th. I think Chuck Baldwin and Barr are both worthy candidates and to Ron Paul bash based on his decision to vote for Chuck is something I would not do and think is wrong.

Ron Paul always upholds his values and principals since forever. Because Ron Paul can't put his support behind another candidate just like himself called Ron Paul2 we wont look at him the same.

come on!? what is that about. Just because you support Ron Paul doesn't mean you support who he votes for. You support Ron Paul's ideas not Chucks or Bob's just because he does. Ron Paul will always be Ron Paul for the same reasons we wanted to vote for him. Ron Paul didn't lose all his credibility and worthiness that we supported just because he personally decided to vote for Chuck and told everyone to vote for who they want.

Paul says "Vote for who you want if you want to change the status quo, I'm voting for Chuck."

Your ridiculous if you don't like Paul anymore because he's voting for Chuck.

I think Chuck or Baldwin would be a huge step in the right direction. You're all too narrow to say it is one or the other. GET A LIFE!

 

[klamath]

I am not endorsing Barr. Only an idiot would believe that he or any other TP candidate would win. I am simply stating that unless we are unified we are meaningless as a movement.

How is our movement not divided? Ever since the Barr fiasco people have been declaring him a CIA plant, a neocon, etc. Not only does that alienate the legit Barr supporters who should be our companions, it also led to the backing of Baldwin, a man with no credibility, obsessed with conspiracy (which, even if true, will not help our movement. We can change the system without wearing tinfoil hats and making the sheep think we're crazy), an obvious Christian fundamentalist, and with little to no grasp of economics (which personally is what attracted me most to Dr. Paul). In short, Baldwin is everything we denied being when Ron was our candidate. Now those of us still following Dr. Paul's lead turn around and endorse him? That is suicide...

Boy your 39 post count is showing itself. Barr has been called everyone of those names on this forum since the day he declared he was running for the libertarian party nomination. It didn't just start with the fiasco.

 

[angelatc]

Fuck you Ron Paul. I've spent the last year trying to convince people that you aren't crazy, then you fucking endorse theocrat/conspiracy theorist Chuck Baldwin. Fuck you Ron Paul; fuck you and your shitty judgment.

You should pick up the current copy of American Conservative. They talk about folks like you.

 

[heavenlyboy34]

According to Ballot Access News Barr is on 45 states and Baldwin is on 37. Where are you getting the contradictory?

There is no unifying Liberty candidate for POTUS this election so it will be good to see what Barr can do with a large segment of the Paul ranks going with Baldwin. The strong candidate for 2012 will be the one that can bring these two somewhat divergent forces together.

Baldwin's own site says that he is registered as either on the ballot or as write in in all states http://www.constitutionparty.com/ba_stats.php. (I'm pretty sure that's all states...I didn't count them by hand too busy right now)

 

[angelatc]

Since when is our movement divided? If you have been around for awhile you will realize these things wash over in a few days and people return back to business and concentrate on things that matter...

I used to think that too, but the effect of the newsletters changed my mind.

 

[Mark]

Case. In. Point.

Okay, how's this? (I don't need to point out the neo-con obvious to make my point.)

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The Libertarian Party leaders shunned Ron Paul from the beginning, and then expects us to support them.

Now some so-called anti-collective thinking "libertarians" want to curse to hell Ron for his individual choice.

Irony anyone?

 

[zahirakids]

It is my understanding that RP is only able to stay in office because he is in the Republicrat party. He is a lifetime member of the LP. I don't get the sense that RP was vindictive. He saw the shinannigans Barr was up to, and rejected Barr for it. "Foolish choice" is a bit strong regarding Baldwin. I'm still undecided, but I've been reading on him, and he isn't so bad-I just don't agree with the religious aspect, like you. He's on more ballots than Barr now, so statistically, he's the most likely of the freedom oriented candidates to actually win.

Where did you get your information from. It looks like Baldwin is on the ballot in 36 states. arr is already on in 45 and will probably be on the ballot in 48 states. So your statement that aldwin is on more ballots then Barr is a blatant lie.

 

[Brassmouth]

Boy your 39 post count is showing itself. Barr has been called everyone of those names on this forum since the day he declared he was running for the libertarian party nomination. It didn't just start with the fiasco.

...wow another post count imbecile. I'll not dignify that with another response and just paste what I said in another thread by another poster who employs logical fallacies in their thinking:

Originally Posted by literatim View Post
...says the person with 40 posts who registered in February.

....replies the fool who assumes one must be registered to view the forum. Honestly my low post count and recent registration only indicate that until recently I agreed with the consensus on these forums, and saw no point in posting. It wasn't until the press conference that I was motivated to actively participate in discussion, because in my view the movement is going off on a destructive tangent.

Make no mistake, I've been a part of this movement since Dr. Paul first gained popularity in the beginning of his presidential bid. He introduced the philosophy of freedom to me, and for that I am eternally grateful.

To address your point, I am very well aware of the fact that there were brainless members of this forums spouting that rubbish before the press conference. However, the disease spread after the conference, and most of the Barr supporters dont bother coming around here anymore. That is what I was referring to.

 

[haigh]

Baldwin's own site says that he is registered as either on the ballot or as write in in all states http://www.constitutionparty.com/ba_stats.php. (I'm pretty sure that's all states...I didn't count them by hand too busy right now)

I count 37 states where he will be On Ballot at that site. The write-in is of marginal value as it probably won't be tallied and reported during the election night results.

Advocates of small government will contribute more to the Liberty movement by going with Barr on those states where Baldwin has only write-in status.

 

[Brassmouth]

Okay, how's this? (I don't need to point out the neo-con obvious to make my point.)

I was simply remarking on the convenience of your post declaring Barr a neocon shill, right after I posted a proposition that people who do so only serve to alienate Barr supporters and further divide the movement.

 

[GunnyFreedom]

I'm sorry, but I don't judge atheists for their choices, so I must say all you clowns who outright HATE Chuck Baldwin just because he is a pastor and who now want to hate Ron Paul just because he likes Chuck Baldwin are prejudiced morons, and you deserve everything you get.

Chuck Baldwin, regardless of his former profession, has the exact same platform as Ron Paul, and the exact same policies as Ron Paul, pretty much word for word, and letter for letter.

I know Atheists who would vote for Baldwin over any body else running, because of his platform and his policies, and them I respect.

But you idiots, you who hate, outright hate Baldwin simply because he is an outspoken Christian, are bigots. You are prejudiced, and no better than KKK, white nationalists, black panthers, la raza, or bigoted Christians who hate Atheists.

How frelling hard is it to see that their platforms are identical? The only differences between the two, really, is age and job.

Honestly, you bigots who hate someone JUST because they are a Christian disgust me, and deserve no respect. Honestly, I believe it's bigots like you why we did not succede in 2008.

Notice: I did NOT say that we failed because of Atheists in the movement, but rather because of the BIGOTS in the movement who bear vile hatred towards someone just because they are an open and outspoken Christian, and you don't give a DAMN about their actual platform or positions on the issues.

Sorry, but you are as bad as the neocons. I don't accept bigots JUST because their bigotry happens to coincide with my goals. A bigot is a bigot is a bigot, regardless of whether they ally with me or not.

 

[Liberty or Death]

This Revolution must outgrow the Libertarian Party. I think the LP always wanted it to be all about building their party. Even though Barr is getting national press because of Ron Paul, the support didn't all fall into line with the libertarian party after Paul dropped out. This is why the LP is upset and attacks Ron Paul and constantly belittles the movement.

I really believe that the reason that the support didn't fall to the LP was because Barr is a sham of a candidate. After supporting Ron Paul, the Gold Standard, we can spot a sham.

What really makes Barr a more legitimate choice than Baldwin, ballot access in 5 more states?

Baldwin has showed that he really wants to be a part of this Revolution, Barr, other than being a total sham and walking around acting like he should be the legitimate heir of the Revolution, has done nothing but send his people to attack Ron Paul, plus we are all aware of his voting record.

Barr is on the ballot in my state. Baldwin is not.

Depending on how strong of a write in campaign there is for Baldwin, I'll probably write in Ron Paul.

 

[Mark]

I was simply remarking on the convenience of your post declaring Barr a neocon shill, right after I posted a proposition that people who do so only serve to alienate Barr supporters and further divide the movement.

For clarity's sake, not that it matters, but I started the post before reading yours.

For the record, I was an Independent for many years before joining the Republican Party so I could be a delegate, and I'm definitely not a neo-con. I can't stand Bush & Co, and never have.

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Did you ever consider that it was the Libertarian Party who did the alienating by selecting Barr?
A lot of Libertarian regulars didn't like the choice either.

 

[klamath]

...wow another post count imbecile. I'll not dignify that with another response and just paste what I said in another thread by another poster who employs logical fallacies in their thinking:




To address your point, I am very well aware of the fact that there were brainless members of this forums spouting that rubbish before the press conference. However, the disease spread after the conference, and most of the Barr supporters dont bother coming around here anymore. That is what I was referring to.

I actually wasn't pulling postcount snobbery, but was surprised you thought it all started with the fiasco. A lot of people have left and gone back to their old haunts. Lots of democrats have gone to obama, lots of republicans have drifted off to McCain. It happens all the time with a losing campaign.

 

[NightOwl]

I really don’t know how to feel about this news. If it’s true, I’ll never regard Ron Paul with quite the same degree of admiration that I did before....

I fully support the idea of lining up behind a single candidate and I’ve been pushing for that all along. But any adult who has even the slightest grasp of politics can recognize that Chuck Baldwin is a foolish choice. He might be a fine man, but he’s a religious fundamentalist who will only splinter this once diverse coalition....

So Ron Paul isn't an adult with the slightest grasp of politics? I can't believe the supposedly independent thinkers of this movement would use stupid MSM agitprop terms like "theocrat." He is obviously not a theocrat. He is antiwar, anti-Fed, pro-Constitution, and pro-states' rights. That makes him obviously the best choice.

 

[NightOwl]

I'm sorry, but I don't judge atheists for their choices, so I must say all you clowns who outright HATE Chuck Baldwin just because he is a pastor and who now want to hate Ron Paul just because he likes Chuck Baldwin are prejudiced morons, and you deserve everything you get.

Absolutely. These people are as small-minded and pathetic as the MSM and the mainstream parties they supposedly detest. Who knew we had this level of ignorance in our ranks, or such an inability to see the larger issues at stake? He's antiwar, pro-Fed, pro-Constitution, and pro-states' rights. Who else in this race is? Good grief!

 

[GunnyFreedom]

Fuck you Ron Paul. I've spent the last year trying to convince people that you aren't crazy, then you fucking endorse theocrat/conspiracy theorist Chuck Baldwin. Fuck you Ron Paul; fuck you and your shitty judgment.

Quad Erat Demonstratum. I have no problems with atheists at all, but I have a problem with bigots of any sort. I have as much of an issue with pro-Christian bigots as I do with anti-Christian bigots.

QED. Indeed.

 

[1000-points-of-fright]

Who knew we had this level of ignorance in our ranks, or such an inability to see the larger issues at stake?

I did.