Am I the only one who is disappointed with Dr. Paul?

LibertyEagle said:
No, he's not insane. However, you have just shown your complete ignorance of the facts. If you think that our country is in the shape it is now, by complete and utter coincidence, you are a fool.
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Shit, you're right. Would anyone mind posting a link to some really cool internet videos demonstrating how everything I thought I knew about the world is a complete sham?
 
Young_Apprentice said:
Shit, you're right. Would anyone mind posting a link to some really cool internet videos demonstrating how everything I thought I knew about the world is a complete sham?
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:rolleyes:

By the way, I'm not a conspiracy theorist. Nor am I a "Truther". However, your apparent belief that the state of our nation all happened by mere chance is more than ludicrous. Tell me... do you think the push for world government is a conspiracy theory? How about the Federal Reserve and how it was established? Just a big coincidence to you? How about how the young people have been dumbed down and indoctrinated in public schools and are ignorant as all hell? How about how our govenrment has let our borders be overrun by illegal aliens. All by chance?

Okey dokey then. :cool:

Real conspiracies exist and there's nothing theoretical about them.
 
Omphfullas Zamboni said:
Hi,

What conspiracy theories are we talking about, here, with Baldwin?

Thanks.

Sincerely,
Omphfullas Zamboni
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Just a couple of things I've found in the last few minutes:

http://www.chuckbaldwinlive.com/c2006/cbarchive_20060413.html

http://www.chuckbaldwinlive.com/c2001/cbarchive_20010828.html

You don't have to read too many articles on Baldwin's site to realize that he's singularly obsessed with the conspiracy shit and he loves to tie it all in with his Christian fanaticism.

I agree with Ron Paul about the CFR/NAFTA, but that was never his main focus. And whereas RP's arguments against these globalist entities were economically grounded, CB's are all based on crazy religious mythology.

The Constitution Party's platform:

http://www.constitutionparty.com/party_platform.php


Check out their stance on pornography. The Constitution Party and Chuck Baldwin believe in freedom as they see fit; that is, as it is dictated by their great god in the sky.
 
Young_Apprentice said:
Just a couple of things I've found in the last few minutes:

http://www.chuckbaldwinlive.com/c2006/cbarchive_20060413.html

http://www.chuckbaldwinlive.com/c2001/cbarchive_20010828.html

You don't have to read too many articles on Baldwin's site to realize that he's singularly obsessed with the conspiracy shit and he loves to tie it all in with his Christian fanaticism.

I agree with Ron Paul about the CFR/NAFTA, but that was never his main focus. And whereas RP's arguments against these globalist entities were economically grounded, CB's are all based on crazy religious mythology.

The Constitution Party's platform:

http://www.constitutionparty.com/party_platform.php


Check out their stance on pornography. The Constitution Party and Chuck Baldwin believe in freedom as they see fit; that is, as it is dictated by their great god in the sky.
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Single issue porn voter who is cursing someone who has made public his choice of a candidate for POTUS. Stop idol worshipping. He had a press conference telling us to stop fighting over the lesser of two evils and make our own choice for a real candidate that supports liberty on the major 4 issue points. He then waited a grace period and endorses someone with similar social/political ideals that he feels in good conscience could make a difference in line with his ideals. If you disagree fine, but shredding him after all the hard work he has done to wake people up is totally uncalled for. :(
 
Omphfullas Zamboni said:
Hi,

What conspiracy theories are we talking about, here, with Baldwin?

Thanks.

Sincerely,
Omphfullas Zamboni
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hlkD5z740w0&NR=1

The problem is, it really does not matter whether there is a conspiracy or not, the JBS has not been able to establish more than a small support base with this campaign in fifty years. It's the definition of insanity to think it might be a catalyst for national change..

Their failure in the last fifty years teaches us a successful Liberty movement is more likely to be based on other motivating ideas like a commitment to the original intent of the constitution, libertarian philosophy, or disgust with the consistent incompetence of big government, or some combination.

Ron Paul has grown very adept at appealing to both those committed to a conspiratorial view of our government and those not committed to this idea. Notice how when Glenn Beck baits Ron Paul with some conspiracy comment, Dr. Paul knows not to take the bait.
 
yea, yea man.

you're the only one, seriously.


the campaign was a fart in a bottle, but rp's been rockin' it out for the last year and a half.

could things have been better?

yea.

that's life.


you bat a thousand everyday?
 
Am I the only one who does not care about Ron's endorsement of Baldwin? Neither Barr or Baldwin have a remote shot so why put all this effort into complaining about these candidates?
 
IHaveaDream said:
I really don’t know how to feel about this news. If it’s true, I’ll never regard Ron Paul with quite the same degree of admiration that I did before.

No one has shown more disrespect for Ron Paul than his own party. Yet, Dr. Paul continues to say that he will not abandon the GOP. Bob Barr makes a decision not to participate in a dog and pony press conference that few legitimate politicians would have attended, and that now leads Ron Paul to endorse Chuck Baldwin in a clearly vindictive manner? It's both childish and reckless.

I fully support the idea of lining up behind a single candidate and I’ve been pushing for that all along. But any adult who has even the slightest grasp of politics can recognize that Chuck Baldwin is a foolish choice. He might be a fine man, but he’s a religious fundamentalist who will only splinter this once diverse coalition. I think once the novelty of this idea wears off, there’s going to be a huge case of buyer’s remorse in this movement—Ron Paul’s endorsement or not.

For all our sakes, I hope I'm wrong.
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I fully agree with you. I could forgive Dr. Paul for not running third-party/independent, but since then he was successfully divided this movement and rendered us inconsequential. He should've endorsed Barr from the start, instead of foolishly pushing this "Vote Third Party" thing. Had he done that, the fatal press conference in which he invited socialists and theocrats would have never taken place, and this movement would still be united under the banner of liberty.
 
Brassmouth said:
I fully agree with you. I could forgive Dr. Paul for not running third-party/independent, but since then he was successfully divided this movement and rendered us inconsequential. He should've endorsed Barr from the start, instead of foolishly pushing this "Vote Third Party" thing. Had he done that, the fatal press conference in which he invited socialists and theocrats would have never taken place, and this movement would still be united under the banner of liberty.
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barr shill.
 
Brassmouth said:
I fully agree with you. I could forgive Dr. Paul for not running third-party/independent, but since then he was successfully divided this movement and rendered us inconsequential. He should've endorsed Barr from the start, instead of foolishly pushing this "Vote Third Party" thing. Had he done that, the fatal press conference in which he invited socialists and theocrats would have never taken place, and this movement would still be united under the banner of liberty.
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Since when is our movement divided? If you have been around for awhile you will realize these things wash over in a few days and people return back to business and concentrate on things that matter AKA NOT worthless third party candidates who have no momentum, no grassroots and no money.... The election will be over in 2 months what will u do when both get two percent? I guess that ends our movement..
 
constituent said:
barr shill.
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Since when is our movement divided? If you have been around for awhile you will realize these things wash over in a few days and people return back to business and concentrate on things that matter AKA NOT worthless third party candidates who have no momentum, no grassroots and no money.... The election will be over in 2 months what will u do when both get two percent? I guess that ends our movement..
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I am not endorsing Barr. Only an idiot would believe that he or any other TP candidate would win. I am simply stating that unless we are unified we are meaningless as a movement.

How is our movement not divided? Ever since the Barr fiasco people have been declaring him a CIA plant, a neocon, etc. Not only does that alienate the legit Barr supporters who should be our companions, it also led to the backing of Baldwin, a man with no credibility, obsessed with conspiracy (which, even if true, will not help our movement. We can change the system without wearing tinfoil hats and making the sheep think we're crazy), an obvious Christian fundamentalist, and with little to no grasp of economics (which personally is what attracted me most to Dr. Paul). In short, Baldwin is everything we denied being when Ron was our candidate. Now those of us still following Dr. Paul's lead turn around and endorse him? That is suicide...
 
The Libertarian Party leaders shunned Ron Paul from the beginning, and then expects us to support them.

Now some so-called anti-collective thinking "libertarians" want to curse to hell Ron for his individual choice.

Irony anyone?

edit: revised and removed the Barr is a neo-con shill part.
 
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Brassmouth said:
I am not endorsing Barr. Only an idiot would believe that he or any other TP candidate would win. I am simply stating that unless we are unified we are meaningless as a movement.

How is our movement not divided? Ever since the Barr fiasco people have been declaring him a CIA plant, a neocon, etc. Not only does that alienate the legit Barr supporters who should be our companions, it also led to the backing of Baldwin, a man with no credibility, obsessed with conspiracy (which, even if true, will not help our movement. We can change the system without wearing tinfoil hats and making the sheep think we're crazy), an obvious Christian fundamentalist, and with little to no grasp of economics (which personally is what attracted me most to Dr. Paul). In short, Baldwin is everything we denied being when Ron was our candidate. Now those of us still following Dr. Paul's lead turn around and endorse him? That is suicide...
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Once again I ask if you realize neither have a chance and realize neither have a credible grassroots or any momentum why care about all this garbage? It will all be over in less than two months!! Neither has the support or the passionate followers to cause any trouble in a few more weeks. Who cares if he knows nothing about politics if he wont be President. Who cares id bob barr is CIA and wont be president. Both will be just a blip on the radar screen and quickly forgotten about just like the last LP candidate ( i know i am butchering his name and idc) Bardiniklala? or the constitutional parties last candidate _________
 
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