Am I just reading things wrong?

[SeanEdwards]

Breath is life in my belief system, I have the right to believe that. I don't think anyone should legislate their beliefs on me.

Humans are delicious in the cannibal belief system, and cannibals have the right to believe that. I don't think anyone should legislate their beliefs on cannibals.

 

[Theocrat]

Read Again Because You Are Wrong

So far in the top ten threads I see people saying that homosexuals should not be able to adopt children and that women should not be able to get an abortion. Now I am more than a little confused how it is that people that claim to support individual rights and freedom want to place their own views and limitations on the rights of others. The general theme around here has been that "I have the right to do what I want as long as it doesn't harm anyone elses rights". Ok, so if a gay couple decides to adopt a kid, how does that effect you? And we won't get into the question of when life begins bc there is no set answer, but why do individuals here think they can place their own view of morality on others and tell them how to handle their own bodies? Seems kind of Orwelian to me to have a group that says they promote freedom and then want to place their own views on the population at large.

(Emphasis mine)

Oh, so it's okay for you to impose your own views that one cannot condemn gay couple adoptions nor women having abortions? You have a double standard, and you need to check yourself before you condemn others for making their own judgments.

Gay couples do not have a right to be together because God gives them no authority to have a marital relationship with each other. He even calls it an abomination, punishable by death. The issue really isn't should gays be able to adopt children, but whether gays be allowed to have a relationship in the first place. You're missing the point.

By the way, if you think unborn babies aren't human, I strongly recommend you click on the picture in my signature and watch the video. If you still think unborn babies are not human persons, then you simply are morally deficient, in my opinion.

True freedom comes from moral integrity and responsibility. We defend liberty, not libertinism.

 

[Dojo]

Humans are delicious in the cannibal belief system, and cannibals have the right to believe that. I don't think anyone should legislate their beliefs on cannibals.

Sure ........... if morons want to eat dead people, I don't really don't care, but that was a ridiculous response.

 

[Jaykzo]

Gay couples do not have a right to be together because God gives them no authority to have a marital relationship with each other. He even calls it an abomination, punishable by death. The issue really isn't should gays be able to adopt children, but whether gays be allowed to have a relationship in the first place. You're missing the point.

Oh for cryin out loud...

This kind of crap is why the Republican party SUCKS. Half of them take the bible more literally than the constitution.

Listen, if you want to run the country with the laws printed in a book that makes claims of talking snakes and seas split in two, then you go right ahead. But you better damn well understand that a lot of people are going to be pissed at you for trying to inject that historical/religious/mythical BULLSHIT into my country's legislation.

 

[Theocrat]

Hasty Generalization

Oh for cryin out loud...

This kind of crap is why the Republican party SUCKS. Half of them take the bible more literally than the constitution.

Listen, if you want to run the country with the laws printed in a book that makes claims of talking snakes and seas split in two, then you go right ahead. But you better damn well understand that a lot of people are going to be pissed at you for trying to inject that historical/religious/mythical BULLSHIT into my country's legislation.

I'm not Republican.

 

[SeanEdwards]

Sure ........... if morons want to eat dead people, I don't really don't care, but that was a ridiculous response.

A ridiculous post deserves a ridiculous response.

 

[JS4Pat]

"A fetus is an individual ".... says who?

A lot of people - just as a lot of people say it is not. I don't think it has been decided hence the debate continues.

Your opinion does not mean that all society must follow it and certainly does not give you the right to take away other's rights.

Back at you.

Those who fight to protect the right of the unborn to live are no less advocates of "True Freedom" than are the ones who don't. This issue does not break cleanly down libertarian lines.

We should agree that the Federal government should have no role in this issue. Return the issue to state and local governments.

 

[Highland]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pTjccxVZ8B0

 

[Brooklyn Red Leg]

In a free society, you can't stab someone, but you can decline to pay the needed medical costs that someone would incur if their life was in danger because they were stabbed, thereby resulting in their death.

You cannot as a parent abrogate your responsibilities to your children because you live in 'a free society'. That means you cannot starve them, work them to exhaustion, beat them needlessly etc. Passive methods of aggression (simply not clothing, feeding and/or evicting a child who cannot fend for themselves) is still aggressing.

Just as you can't be forced to care for someone else, can a pregnant woman be forced to care for a child that she's carrying? Can she not have the child removed, without causing it direct harm in the process (medical and technical limitations aside), thereby declining the imposed obligation of carrying it to term?

Its never an easy answer when it comes down to this because (its coming) people will invariably bring in rape and incest to the equation. If it was completely consensual sex, then sorry, freedom and living in a free society doesn't mean free from responsibility of your actions. Passive forms of aggression (as I said) are still forms of aggression. Don't want to be burdened with your child, give it up for adoption. That doesn't mean you can leave them out for the wolves, toss them into the ocean or any number of methods that ancient man did to not burden themselves with their responsibilities.

In the case of rape and incest, the undeniable fact is that an Embryonic Human still has inalienable rights, the most basic of which is Life. Further, just to quash the incest argument, the chances of serious genetic defect for incest is mostly a myth. That would require multiple generations for that sort of thing to come out.

Let me add one more thing. My belief has nothing whatsoever to do with religion or my religious beliefs. I'm a Deist and I accept Rational Thought, not Revealed Thought. We only get one pass in this life and thats it. I personally think its abominable that we have been a part of a civilization that continues to murder its own people in the name of progress.

Michael Crichton: Why Politicized Science is Dangerous

 

[Working Poor]

No matter what you say about fetus rights making abortion illegal will not stop abortion just like making pot illegal has not stopped people from using it.

 

[nate895]

No matter what you say about fetus rights making abortion illegal will not stop abortion just like making pot illegal has not stopped people from using it.

Since making murder illegal hasn't stopped it, we should make it legal.

That is the logic you are using.

 

[sailor]

"A fetus is an individual ".... says who? Your opinion does not mean that all society must follow it and certainly does not give you the right to take away other's rights.

"Norwegians are human beings".... says who? Your opinion does not mean that all society must follow it and certainly does not give you the right to take away other's rights. They should be able to shoot at Norwegians if they want to.

 

[FountainDew]

Never have I seen a thread with a bunch of people so full of themselves...

You cannot as a parent abrogate your responsibilities to your children because you live in 'a free society'. That means you cannot starve them, work them to exhaustion, beat them needlessly etc. Passive methods of aggression (simply not clothing, feeding and/or evicting a child who cannot fend for themselves) is still aggressing.

Its never an easy answer when it comes down to this because (its coming) people will invariably bring in rape and incest to the equation. If it was completely consensual sex, then sorry, freedom and living in a free society doesn't mean free from responsibility of your actions. Passive forms of aggression (as I said) are still forms of aggression. Don't want to be burdened with your child, give it up for adoption. That doesn't mean you can leave them out for the wolves, toss them into the ocean or any number of methods that ancient man did to not burden themselves with their responsibilities.

In the case of rape and incest, the undeniable fact is that an Embryonic Human still has inalienable rights, the most basic of which is Life. Further, just to quash the incest argument, the chances of serious genetic defect for incest is mostly a myth. That would require multiple generations for that sort of thing to come out.

Let me add one more thing. My belief has nothing whatsoever to do with religion or my religious beliefs. I'm a Deist and I accept Rational Thought, not Revealed Thought. We only get one pass in this life and thats it. I personally think its abominable that we have been a part of a civilization that continues to murder its own people in the name of progress.

Michael Crichton: Why Politicized Science is Dangerous

Finally a rational answer. The majority of abortions are not related to rape or incest, you can google any fact site you want they will all tell you the same thing. In such cases, I believe the woman should be allowed to consider abortion because the health of the mother will be affected and/or too traumatized to carry the baby to term. Otherwise, no way jose.

All those people questioning the most basic of basic common sense should question your own sanity and stop posting pointless comments. "nationality X are people -- says who?" "then make murder legal" "cannibals eat people" Fucking dipshit responses. Nobody, wants to argue with a 2 year old.

 

[sailor]

All those people questioning the most basic of basic common sense should question your own sanity and stop posting pointless comments. "nationality X are people -- says who?" "then make murder legal" "cannibals eat people" Fucking dipshit responses. Nobody, wants to argue with a 2 year old.

An obnoxious retard. Now thats a novel concept.

 

[Working Poor]

People do need to take more responsibility for their actions especially those that could lead to an unwanted pregnancy. I think people fall way short who are not considerate of the fact that sex causes babies and if you don't want babies you need to be very sure not to allow it to happen either by abstaining or using reliable birth control. So you don't kill someone due to carelessness.

Parents need to teach their children abstinence and stop making their children have an abortions when they turn up pregnant and parents of boys need to step up to the plate with sons. Boys need to feel the weight of responsibility of their actions. We allow the media to saturate our children with pure garbage. The kids are doing things on tv that in my day were never even thought much less acted out.

What the fuck is wrong with this world?

 

[SeanEdwards]

All those people questioning the most basic of basic common sense should question your own sanity and stop posting pointless comments. "nationality X are people -- says who?" "then make murder legal" "cannibals eat people" Fucking dipshit responses. Nobody, wants to argue with a 2 year old.

It's your own damn fault. You post a bunch of childish inane shit and people are going to try to respond to you with baby talk that's at your level. We're trying to break though to you in a language you can understand. Now FOAD.

 

[JS4Pat]

No matter what you say about fetus rights making abortion illegal will not stop abortion just like making pot illegal has not stopped people from using it.

Just like laws against murder haven't stopped people from killing each other.

Apples to Oranges...

Laws against Pot are not needed because no one's rights are violated. Laws against abortion are needed because someone's rights are violated.

 

[Original_Intent]

A fetus is an individual and no one has the right to violate its right to life.

There is no such thing as a right to an adoption.

bingo

 

[Brassmouth]

With the case of abortion, having abortion harms the fetus (which we consider to be a person).

Speak for yourself.

As for gay rights, this movement has been largely highjacked by right-wing conservatives, instead of up-wing libertarians, so it doesn't suprise me.

True that. I've been coming around here less and less because every time I look at the top threads they're either about some ridiculous conspiracy, religion(redundant?), or bashing some sort of minority.

 

[Brassmouth]

Sorry to double-post, but as I look at the rest of this thread, a question comes to mind.

Haven't you people realized it is completely futile and an utter waste of time to argue over abortion? I don't think I've ever seen/heard/read of anyone changing their views on abortion because of an online debate.