Alpha Atheist Turns "Agnostic"!

[Sola_Fide]

I finally realize why Calvinists were persecuted.

How do you know that Calvinists were persecuted? Did you experience it?

If you didn't experience it, how do you know?

 

[MooCowzRock]

Trusting your internal reasoning and your senses, is much more logical than trusting a 2000 year old fictional book that is full of already disproven claims.

 

[Sola_Fide]

Trusting your internal reasoning and your senses, is much more logical than trusting a 2000 year old fictional book that is full of already disproven claims.

How do you know you're having a sensation? Can you sense the sense you are having? Or do you sense the sense of the sense your having?

 

[MooCowzRock]

How do you know you're having a sensation? Can you sense the sense you are having? Or do you sense the sense of the sense your having?

I never said I know when I am having a sensation. All I "know" if you want to take the philosophy 101 meaning of it, is that I think that I am sensing a sensation.

How does this prove the Bible again?

 

[Sola_Fide]

I never said I know when I am having a sensation. All I "know" if you want to take the philosophy 101 meaning of it, is that I think that I am sensing a sensation.

How does this prove the Bible again?

So you can't be sure if you are having a sensation, but you can be sure that you are having the thought of the sensation? How?


Do you sense the thought of having the sensation? How can you do that? If you don't sense the thought of the sensation, and sensation is the way you know something, how can you know that you are having the thought of the sensation or the sensation itself?


How do you know when you are NOT having a sensation? Do you sense when you do not have a sensation? If you can't sense when you are not having a sensation, how can you know that you are not having a sensation (if the way you know something is by sensation)?

 

[Harryhaller]

Here's a great well thought out website that addresses the many reasons people reject Christianity and the Bible. http://www.jesusneverexisted.com/

 

[AFPVet]

If the words were used correctly based on their greek roots. As it is, most people who call themselves "Spiritual but not Religious" also call themselves "Agnostic", while militant anti-religionists for some reason call themselves "Atheists". They haven't actually researched the meaning of the greek roots.

The more I look into it, I believe you are correct. Atheism is rooted in "Theos" which means Deity or God(s) and Agnosticism is rooted in "Gnosis which is strictly defined as 'knowledge", or contextually, spiritual knowledge. So Atheists would be against Theos and Agnostics would be against Gnosis.

 

[liveandletlive]

Dawkins is a great man of reason, wish we had more people like him

 

[nobody]

Too bad for Dawkins. Even the wicked unbeliever receives blessings. The very idea of God existing would never enter a natural mans' mind, unless God has acted upon the man's mind. God seeks men , men do not seek God. There in is the Proof of God's existance. Christ also said that He seeks the lost even while they were enemies. It is written, That God first loved man. It is God that initiates His own revelation. Man's heart is despiratly wicked and would naturaly have nothing to do with the idea of God. God is the one who initiates salvation and completes it. He also will complete Salvation's person to a predestined Christ likeness. God Himself is the Alpha and Omaga of Faith. This is the proof. God certainly does exist. All a man has, is to ask for a revelation and change of Heart. God accomplishes the rest. There are no works of rightiousness but the finished work of God Himself through Christ Jesus.

 

[otherone]

The very idea of God existing would never enter a natural mans' mind, unless God has acted upon the man's mind.

source?
Humans are hardwired to follow the alpha dog. When one doesn't exist, we create him.

 

[AFPVet]

source?
Humans are hardwired to follow the alpha dog.

This is true.

When one doesn't exist, we create him.

... or would they explain something in a way which can be understood by others? If God were an alien, did we create him/her? No... but the way they explained him/her would seem like a created manifestation. Does this make sense?

 

[Revolution9]

Even as a Christian, I have to concede that Agnosticism is the only position on God or the universe that can be solidly and indisputably argued from pure logic. Both Theism and Atheism are based on belief, and neither can be proven or disproven definitively.

And belief and logic are useless in a randomly generated Universe. Dawkins can yak till his empty head falls off and never answer those questions of why logic and belief are without admitting to a prime template and force of power.

Rev9

 

[Revolution9]

source?
Humans are hardwired to follow the alpha dog. When one doesn't exist, we create him.

Slaves are. Real humans are not. Quite the opposite as a matter of fact. Liberty yearns in one's soul if one is not a cloned slave.

Rev9

 

[Revolution9]

Dawkins is a great man of reason, wish we had more people like him

Dawkins is a bloviating blowhard who tossed the tenets of science out the window to pontificate and play at Popery. Him and his ilk are the counterpart of the Jesuits and the Black Pope.

Rev9

 

[AFPVet]

Slaves are. Real humans are not. Quite the opposite as a matter of fact. Liberty yearns in one's soul if one is not a cloned slave.

Rev9

Interestingly, someone has to be the alpha dog... so not everyone follows the leader because someone has to be the leader. While humans are group animals, we follow the leader or someone in the group assumes leadership functions. Yes... we are not robots, but free minds

 

[otherone]

Interestingly, someone has to be the alpha dog... so not everyone follows the leader because someone has to be the leader. While humans are group animals, we follow the leader or someone in the group assumes leadership functions. Yes... we are not robots, but free minds

I prefer anthropology to scripture. Capture-bonding goes a long way to explain subordination in the face of oppression. Life is hard. People want to believe something is in control. People crave security, and will usually choose it before Liberty, which explains the pickle we are in today. The greatest threat to our Freedom is our own nature.

 

[Revolution9]

I prefer anthropology to scripture. Capture-bonding goes a long way to explain subordination in the face of oppression. Life is hard. People want to believe something is in control. People crave security, and will usually choose it before Liberty, which explains the pickle we are in today. The greatest threat to our Freedom is our own nature.

Yeah.. Or people have proofs of something greater slammed right in front of their face and there is calling none other than what it was.. Divine. Beyond the monkey mind.

Rev9

 

[Sola_Fide]

Otherone, just curious...why did you stop responding to me in this thread? I thought we had a good conversation going.

 

[otherone]

Otherone, just curious...why did you stop responding to me in this thread? I thought we had a good conversation going.

How do you know I stopped responding to you in this thread?

 

[otherone]

... or would they explain something in a way which can be understood by others?

I believe humans have an intrinsic need to anthropomorphize outside elements in order to relate to them. Starting with primitive animism and continuing through modern theology...we need to humanize the non-human. We do this in our everyday lives; with pets, our cars, the weather, even circumstances coalesce into either a helpful or hurtful deity that creates excessive traffic on the one day we "need" to be prompt, or manages to have us bump into that special person on the right day, at the right time. Tom Hanks had his "Wilson" in Castaway, we even refer to "Big Brother" on this website.

I believe this is manifest as well in how we treat enemies during wartime; in order to be able to kill our fellow man, we need to dehumanize him...like the WW2 posters that depicted Japanese as rodent-like, or Jews as subhuman. There is a tendency in the US today to view Arabs in the same manner.