Almost no Ron Paul supporters in WA realize there is no primary

[gerryb]

All the help through the CAMPAIGN Phone from Home is MUCH APPRECIATED.. Some people may get pissed off if they are being called multiple times if you are doing it independently. So I hope you coordinate with the campaign so there is less repetition.

I can tell you we have real prospects of winning here. Everyone needs to help us out to reach everyone!

This is really something the campaign needs to use a robocall for. They should have had a robocall to every supporter 2 months ago to inform them of the caucus system. Another one a month ago, 2 weeks ago, and one every other day leading up to the caucus.

Relying on Phone-from-Home or HQ phone systems is a huge waste of human capital. Say the list is 10,000 people.. They can hit their list with a 2 minute message for $400

 

[D.A.S.]

This is really something the campaign needs to use a robocall for. They should have had a robocall to every supporter 2 months ago to inform them of the caucus system. Another one a month ago, 2 weeks ago, and one every other day leading up to the caucus.

Relying on Phone-from-Home or HQ phone systems is a huge waste of human capital. Say the list is 10,000 people.. They can hit their list with a 2 minute message for $400

You make a very good point here. I often wondered why the campaign wouldn't simply disseminate huge amounts of robocalls for GOTV, instead of depending on us to make the calls. I understand they collect data in the process and can make the GOTV process more customized and personal, but I often wonder if Phone from Home has enough people to blanket a given state with the GOTV calls when they are needed!

 

[RPit]

Robocalls are a great tool and I agree you should support this effort.

You have to understand that MOST people are not familiar with the caucus process. People who haven't been to a caucus won't get anything about it with a robocall. Caucus truly is something that must be explained, especially if you are aiming to get delegates and not just win the popular vote.

So although robocalls are a good way to identify supporters, and I support this effort. Do keep in mind that real 'human capital' is ALWAYS needed when we're talking about a caucus. Most in WA have not attended one, and don't know anything about it. A robocall will not do much in terms gotv, especially given that caucus locations are revealed very late, in fact some counties might STILL have not finalized their caucus location.

A combination of robocalls + phonebanking is the key to success. Thats why everyone should support this effort made by the opening poster as well as contribute their time to the campaign phone banking system. Robocalls are a good identification system which you can use then to phonebank to GOTV. So a combination of the two.

 

[RDM]

I still think this forum and its leaders could compile lists by state according to how people registered to be on this forum and then send mass email for each state with info pertaining to that particular state. At least some sort of effort could be made to reach possible people that are slipping through the cracks. Anything helps in my opinion. Can we get some forum leaders to look into this idea?

 

[eleganz]

if you're going to make these statements at least show the statistics.

how many calls you made
how many rp supporters identified
how many of those identified supporters said what

anytime you identify ron paul supporters you should be DOING something with those numbers, I'm not going to tell you what to do with them but you should DO SOMETHING...wink wink...




the Washington state RP campaign HQ's phone number is (360) 771 - 4858

 

[Esoteric]

You make a very good point here. I often wondered why the campaign wouldn't simply disseminate huge amounts of robocalls for GOTV, instead of depending on us to make the calls. I understand they collect data in the process and can make the GOTV process more customized and personal, but I often wonder if Phone from Home has enough people to blanket a given state with the GOTV calls when they are needed!

real people = much higher conversion rate.

 

[gerryb]

A combination of robocalls + phonebanking is the key to success. Thats why everyone should support this effort made by the opening poster as well as contribute their time to the campaign phone banking system. Robocalls are a good identification system which you can use then to phonebank to GOTV. So a combination of the two.

I agree phonebanks are needed to follow up, but $400 cost to get a 2 minute informational out to all the supporters in the state 2 months in advance would get enough folks interested and somewhat knowledgeable. At this point, just a robocall stating "Saturday is your only opportunity to vote for ron paul, go to ronpaul2012.com/caucus for more information or call the local HQ at ###-####" would be a great time-saver -- we shouldn't be a week away and just now getting this info out to the "general" list, IMO.

I still think this forum and its leaders could compile lists by state according to how people registered to be on this forum and then send mass email for each state with info pertaining to that particular state. At least some sort of effort could be made to reach possible people that are slipping through the cracks. Anything helps in my opinion. Can we get some forum leaders to look into this idea?

The campaign should be doing that, I hope everyone on the forum is also registered with the campaign... I have my doubts that they are getting all the info out there, though.

 

[RPit]

The problem is I don't think it takes $400 to conduct a Robocall in a state of 6million. Obviously things can be improved you should give those suggestions to the campaign

 

[gerryb]

The problem is I don't think it takes $400 to conduct a Robocall in a state of 6million. Obviously things can be improved you should give those suggestions to the campaign

It's 2 cents per minute, campaign probably gets it cheaper than I can... I doubt our list in WA is over 20,000 #'s

 

[RPit]

Well there is still a week, so a good robocall campaign in conjunction with phonebanking could be completed very easily within this time frame. Afterall we're probably making more than 5000 calls a day just at the Bellevue location.

I don't know if the campaign is robocalling though, maybe they are.

 

[PolicyReader]

Every little bit helps. I think there's a place for both and while of course there are many advantages to the human touch I personally think that the combination of the two will be overall more effective.

2c

 

[digitaldean]

People are saying WA is a caucus state so these are the numbers from 2008:

http://www.cnn.com/ELECTION/2008/primaries/results/state/#val=WA

It seems Ron Paul got 22% which was pretty close to first. I am not sure how the caucus system works but how are the numbers looking right now? Does Paul have a chance at winning in WA by getting 25-30%? If he does take WA that will be very good momentum going into Super Tuesday.

 

[hb6102]

If those 40000 primary voters would show up and caucus......

 

[parocks]

A blimp with the caucus date and time could help educate the masses....

Could we solve this problem with a march?

 

[Esoteric]

Could we solve this problem with a march?

In all seriousness. I think it would be beneficial for the Paul campaign to hand out rubber "livestrong" type bands with the caucus date/time at all his events, and something like "Ron Paul 2012" on the reverse. People will keep / wear those things.

 

[parocks]

Wrong.

They don't have the DESIRE. We have plenty of folks wanting to step up and help lead, but the campaign shuns it.

We should have one contact person for every county, who is responsible for disseminating info and organizing other local leaders. In lieu of the campaign, folks need to do this on there own. It's much less efficient when you don't have the campaigns list, though.

Actually, one of the things that Robbie has been bringing to the table, since Ames, is a different list. Hitting different people than the campaign was hitting. The campaign was using whatever list they were using, doing well, getting names, voter ID, GOTV. Robbie comes in, and makes a ton of robocalls - to NEW PEOPLE. He made a lot of robocalls to people that the campaign had never talked to before. He brought new people into the process. Our extremely close finish in Ames was due in part to all the people that Robbie was calling that were not called by the official campaign.

 

[parocks]

In all seriousness. I think it would be beneficial for the Paul campaign to hand out rubber "livestrong" type bands with the caucus date/time at all his events, and something like "Ron Paul 2012" on the reverse. People will keep / wear those things.

That thing you said. Or a piece of paper. But priority #1 is telling people about the caucus. "How To Vote" We really don't have to do "Why Ron Paul Is So Great".

 

[parocks]

Well I've been with the campaign and doing phonebanking at their HQ's...

Since our goal is to get out the vote, then it is natural that we start calling with actual caucus goers, and Ron Paul supporters who have caucused before. And that is what we have been doing. But we have started calling everyone who is a supporter so we will now probably start hitting those people who haven't attended caucuses before and are 'primary voters'. We're working on it

But when we do call someone who says 'we're not going to the caucus', THEN we do let them know that this year there is no primary and the caucus is the only way to support Ron Paul, and then most of them become interested in going and we tell them about the caucus and their location they can find at votewa.com

So its possible that we have called many people who have agreed to go to the caucus but do not know that there is no primary. Because like I have said we start with asking them if they are caucusing and if they say yes we don't talk about the primary at all because we know they are going to the caucus and most of the people I've talked to know the caucus location or they know what a caucus is.

Today is really the only day I found a few people who weren't attending the caucus and thought they would be submitting a ballot. And thats because now we're calling the general list, while before we were targeting identified caucus goers. So now we're hitting the 'primary voters' essentially.

Before we were just calling the people we had already identified as caucus goers. And then we went through people who were identified as Ron Paul supporters and were 'caucus goers'.. and then we just started calling all Ron Paul supporters in general today. So we are beginning to 'hit' those people who haven't attended the caucus before and are more likely not aware that there is no primary.

So just know that the campaign has been working on it. Its just that our priorities in terms of calling the various list has been to first identify previous caucus goers and call them, and then call the list of people who we know are Ron Paul Supporters AND caucus goers.. So now like today, we have started to hit all general Ron Paul supporters and we have identified many who didn't know the primary is no more and didn't know anything about a caucus.

All the help through the CAMPAIGN Phone from Home is MUCH APPRECIATED.. Some people may get pissed off if they are being called multiple times if you are doing it independently. So I hope you coordinate with the campaign so there is less repetition.


I can tell you we have real prospects of winning here. Everyone needs to help us out to reach everyone!

This project uses a different list. This list skews younger. It's not a list based on voting history at all. Robbie got, with just his robocalls, A LOT of people to the Ames Straw poll. His work, finding Ron Paul supporter phone numbers was roughly 25% of the total and could've been more than that.

 

[Tinnuhana]

How to caucus and the schedule can get air time on the media. It is non-partisan, so should be easy to air without worrying about equal time or anything. A well-written piece in each local market giving details and caucus sites, maybe district maps, could run. See if athe local GOP has something to put up. If not, submit your own. Or give suggestions for improvements on the existing one.

 

[RDM]

this forum[/SIZE] and then send mass email for each state with info pertaining to that particular state. At least some sort of effort could be made to reach possible people that are slipping through the cracks. Anything helps in my opinion. Can we get some forum leaders to look into this idea?



The campaign should be doing that, I hope everyone on the forum is also registered with the campaign... I have my doubts that they are getting all the info out there, though.

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