Allen West concedes

[compromise]

how is he on military spending?

Walter Jones is pretty bad on military spending too. He's definitely not a neo-con.

 

[compromise]

how is he on the Patriot Act?...NDAA?....

yeah, a real fascist. Fits right in as a NEOCON, and big spending ass wipe. Plus he hates Ron Paul.

fuck this phony POS.

Voting for the Patriot Act or the NDAA doesn't automatically make you a neo-con. A neo-con is an internationalist, traditionally pro democracy-spreading wars (like Libya), very strongly for foreign aid and generally supportive of the United Nations. The best examples are Joe Lieberman, Lindsey Graham and John McCain. The Republican Party wasn't too great on civil liberties even before the 70s when most of the neo-cons arrived. Being anti-civil liberties makes you an authoritarian. Note I have not criticized anyone here for calling him an authoritarian, because that's true.

 

[compromise]

Your name says it all......
Don't you worry.....your little man will be on fox news

1) I don't live in the US and therefore don't get FOX News, so I have never watched it.
2) I didn't deny anything else people in this thread said about Allen West because it was true.
3) Congratulations on being the 20th person to call me out on my username! Seriously, it's almost like you guys copy and paste each other, your responses seem almost identical..

 

[compromise]

To me a neocon is any social conservative who puts the global empire ahead of liberty and fiscal responsibility. Mr. West meets the criteria.

Wrong. Many neo-cons are very moderate on social policy! John McCain supports embryonic stem cell research, and he's never apologized for his daughter's love for casual sex and recreational marijuana. He was unpopular with social conservatives during his '08 campaign, hence why he chose a social conservative as his running mate. Same with Graham. And Lieberman goes even further to the point he is liberal on social issues, supporting abortion and gay marriage! Bill Kristol, one of the founding fathers of neoconservatism, is also very moderate socially.

A neo-con is someone who is ultra-interventionist on foreign policy and believes intervention (through war and foreign aid) is the best solution in every case. They are often relatively moderate on domestic policy, both socially and fiscally.

Neo-con is NOT the right word to use to describe people who, as bad as they are, are not actually neo-cons!

 

[JK/SEA]

Walter Jones is pretty bad on military spending too.

wrong. Look up his votes and CURRENT position.

 

[JK/SEA]

http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=neocon

http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=tea-o-con

http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=Teaocon

 

[QuickZ06]

One and done, One and done!

 

[erowe1]

To me a neocon is any social conservative who puts the global empire ahead of liberty and fiscal responsibility. Mr. West meets the criteria.

No. Generally neocons are social liberals.

 

[tsai3904]

wrong. Look up his votes and CURRENT position.

Walter Jones is bad on military spending. These are some bills he voted against reducing military spending with Amash's explanations:

http://clerk.house.gov/evs/2011/roll128.xml

Here's the roll call for Amendment 141 to H R 1, which reduces defense/military spending to 2008 levels. I voted yes. It failed 76-344.

Bring our men and women home from the countless overseas engagements. Our military strength has always derived from our economic strength, and our exploding debt jeopardizes our security. A bankrupt country cannot defend its people.

http://clerk.house.gov/evs/2011/roll343.xml

Here's the roll call for the Woolsey of CA Amendment 2 to H R 1540, which eliminates funding for the V-22 Osprey aircraft. The Osprey has had significant cost overruns and has a checkered safety record. The President's Fiscal Commission recommended its elimination. I voted yes. It failed 83-334.

http://clerk.house.gov/evs/2011/roll496.xml

Here's the roll call for the Broun of GA Amendment 23 to H R 2219, which makes a 10% cut to the Secretary of Defense's account. With a $14 trillion debt, we need cuts like this. I voted yes. It failed 87-328.

http://clerk.house.gov/evs/2011/roll532.xml

just voted no on H R 2219, Dep't of Defense Approps. The bill increases DoD spending by $17 billion (excl. Afghanistan and Iraq spending). It funds wasteful projects, doesn't explicitly prohibit the Pres. from diverting funds to the unconstitutional Libya war, and supports an Auth. for Use of Military Force that allows the Pres. to attack anyone, anywhere, anytime w/o further congressional approval. It passed 336-87.

 

[compromise]

wrong. Look up his votes and CURRENT position.

That's on foreign military intervention. He is a big military spender, because there's a base in his congressional district.

 

[JK/SEA]

That's on foreign military intervention. He is a big military spender, because there's a base in his congressional district.

Military Defense spending for me is not a deal breaker necessarily. Military intervention spending is. Plus Walter Jones is a Ron Paul supporter.

Allen West and Walter Jones are not on the same wave length.

 

[Odin]

trust me...he'll be back, like the annual flu.

Is he a Terminator? He looks like he could be...

But anywho, a vacuous idiot out of the GOP can only be a good thing.

 

[compromise]

Military Defense spending for me is not a deal breaker necessarily. Military intervention spending is. Plus Walter Jones is a Ron Paul supporter.

Allen West and Walter Jones are not on the same wave length.

But Allen West and John McCain aren't on the same wave length either. The establishment don't like West. Wonder why Republican-dominated Florida tried to redistrict him out? West is generally good domestically. He's one of the few willing to stand up to the racist communists in the Congressional Black Caucus.

I'm not saying this guy is remotely liberty-leaning, but I don't think we should be celebrating him losing to a moderate establishment New Democrat who'll likely vote the same way as West on all of West's bad votes and the other way on all of West's good votes.

 

[AGRP]

I feel sorry for the election officials. He might kidnap and water board them for the truth.

 

[RonPaul25]

Even if you don't believe Allen West was a neo-con I think we can all agree that he was the biggest jackass in congress, and he hated folks like us, good to see him gone

 

[jkob]

The guy is a nutjob and we're a safer country with him out of congress. This won't be the last we hear from him.

 

[John F Kennedy III]

Walter Jones is pretty bad on military spending too. He's definitely not a neo-con.

Walter Jones is one of the few politicians we can trust:

http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showth...ians-We-Can-Trust&highlight=Politicians+Trust

(not updated)

I have something MUCH bigger and better in the works

 

[John F Kennedy III]

Military Defense spending for me is not a deal breaker necessarily. Military intervention spending is. Plus Walter Jones is a Ron Paul supporter.

Allen West and Walter Jones are not on the same wave length.

Walter is damn near a Paul clone. I haven't looked it up, but I've been told he was the father of Reaganomics. Now THAT is a transformation!

 

[NIU Students for Liberty]

The sun is out and I will no longer have to hear Allen West bash Ron Paul or talk about the Muslim boogieman.

 

[Eric21ND]

Allen West threw the real tea party people under the bus when he supported the debt ceiling compromise from Boehnor. He got called out on his facebook page and many of the people who voted for him were angry and said they would remember it for his reelection. I think that vote cost him the election.