[Alleged] Ron Paul supporters leave nasty voicemails at PPP

[tsai3904]

Ironic thing is that some here think a few rowdy folks are the REASON the press is bad or he is ignored. Then we are told to dress properly and speak softly and maybe we will get some good press. BAH!!! The entities drawing the ire of certain supporters are finding an excuse after the fact. I swear it is no wonder twitter is popular, people have the attention span and memory of a 12 week old lab puppy nowadays...

PPP has stated for many months that they only include their top 5 national candidates in their head to head polls against Obama. This has been known for MONTHS.

PPP releases their poll without Ron Paul head to head against Obama and everyone at the Daily Paul freaks out and encourages others to contact PPP.

Why are we pissing off a private company for doing what they said they were going to do? If Ron Paul gets top 5 in their polls AND they leave him off, then there's reason to point out their inconsistencies.

 

[dannno]

There might be supporters of other candidates faking it, but really, why would they? They don't see us as a threat, so if they were going to fake this sort of thing they would go after Romney or Perry.

The establishment sees us as a threat.. they don't see Romney or Perry as a threat to anything.

 

[moostraks]

PPP has stated for many months that they only include their top 5 national candidates in their head to head polls against Obama. This has been known for MONTHS.

PPP releases their poll without Ron Paul head to head against Obama and everyone at the Daily Paul freaks out and encourages others to contact PPP.

Why are we pissing off a private company for doing what they said they were going to do? If Ron Paul gets top 5 in their polls AND they leave him off, then there's reason to point out their inconsistencies.

Individuals are entitled to their right to contact a private company especially if they feel truth in advertising seems to be lacking. Would I have gotten Irish on them, probably not. Do I think that a private company is susceptible to corruption? Definitely. Is this a reason for someone to act like the sky is falling and that rp supporters are ruining things...no,imo.

 

[LibertyEagle]

I wouldn't leave a message like that but what do they expect? They should be lucky they do not smell tar or see pitchforks for what they are doing, ignoring Ron paul and using slanted polls!!

I agree. Thing is though, that Ron Paul is trying to win an election and elections are largely won based on people's perceptions. So, unless these people reaming PPP believe that they are going to get PPP to change their actions, all they are doing is creating negative press for Ron Paul.

Perceptions are everything.

 

[speciallyblend]

I agree. Thing is though, that Ron Paul is trying to win an election and elections are largely won based on people's perceptions. So, unless these people reaming PPP believe that they are going to get PPP to change their actions, all they are doing is creating negative press for Ron Paul.

Perceptions are everything.

I agree, trust me i bite my tongue all the time

 

[Cowlesy]

Anyone who doesn't think we have a few supporters that would stupid stuff like that, haven't been on the forum or dailypaul very much.

Yes, like most of you, the ones I meet in person are good natured, friendly and enthusiastic. The ones that get really nasty, I doubt most of us ever see at events, because they're still in the spare bedroom or basement posting garbage or calling people.

People who call guys like Jensen or other pollsters aren't doing it to help the campaign, they're just doing it to make themselves feel better.

Damned if we do, damned if we don't.

 

[tsai3904]

People who call guys like Jensen or other pollsters aren't doing it to help the campaign, they're just doing it to make themselves feel better.

That's exactly how I see it. If our goal is to help the campaign by getting Ron Paul included in PPP's polls, then we aren't helping. There's probably nothing we can do to get him included in polls but there are things we can do to get him excluded.

 

[dannno]

Would I have gotten Irish on them, probably not.

lol, I've never heard that before.. I don't even think I know what it means exactly.

 

[moostraks]

lol, I've never heard that before.. I don't even think I know what it means exactly.

think swearing sailor mad

 

[davidhperry]

Here's an idea: why don't we ban the practice of posting people's personal contact info on the forums? If people want to call and flame the main number for a company, then they can do whatever they want. I wouldn't recommend it, but it's a free country. However, it's not a good idea to take someone's personal phone number, email or home address and post it on a public forum in an effort to whip people into a frenzy so that they call and leave angry messages on there people's personal phones. Isn't that just common sense? If the shoe was on the other foot, would you like it?

And, no, we don't need any proof that Ron Paul has some crazy supporters. A few of them are just batshit insane! It's ok, we can admit it. Many of us have met them. If you haven't met them, then you will. And yes, we're not the only campaign with crazies. I know, I know. In light of that, we need to keep these wild cannons from going off, and posting personal info is one of the things that sets them off. So let's stop doing it.

Some people say: "I'm only posting their info so that we can collectively call/email and set the record straight. Be nice!" Yeah, those are some good intentions, but like I said in my point above, the immature people in the group sieze that, make a bunch of nasty calls, and end up spoiling the whole thing. These people are making us look bad. Me. You. Ron Paul. Everyone. At this point, that PPP employee thinks that that behavior represents the majority of how Ron Paul supporters act. This is damaging, people. We have to not let the handful of babies dictate how the media and everyone views us.

Besides, why are people calling PRIVATE BUSINESSES and DEMANDING that they do this, or not do that? What gives them the right to expect someone to do that?!?! I have news for them, polling companies are private, they can ask whatever questions they want in their polls. Media companies are private, they can broadcast whatever they want over their TV and radio networks. Honestly, I expect better from people who say that they support Ron Paul! We can vehemently disagree with whomever, but it's not a license to act like dipshits.

So, are we ready to ban personal info, or not?

 

[Bossobass]

Since they didn't poll Ron Paul against Obama, you believe their data is flawed? Do you believe their data showing Ron Paul at 16% in Iowa?

Try to get off your high horse and pay attention. If they exclude RP because a few people "pissed them off", they are irrelevant, IMO and at the very least they are far, far less than HUGE.

If you believe you have a secret key to the WH for RP, you should stop trying to herd cats, block cointelpro and scold misbehaved folk and ask for a job at one of the campaign HQs.

This whole pile o crap reminds me of the last go-'round when at every rally I attended folks admonished me to "try to get the campaign to get RP on Glenn Beck because it would be HUGE for 'us' ".

We all know how that one turned out.

Man, do you (or, does anyone) actually think Ron would sit 3rd nationally in actual real polls today if it weren't for the outrageous efforts of a vocal minority of sign wavers, sign makers, cross country trekkers, groups who shouted down Giulianni, Romney-bots and neo-cons at the debates, crashed servers, flooded e-mail boxes, shouted "End The Fed" in front of the Fed branches, etc., last time around?

If that sort of thing ain't your cup o tea, that's perfectly fine. Stay home and write apologetic e-mails to PPP. But please stop telling those who have a different motivation or preference they are "idiots" or condoning it when others do.

Bosso

 

[jonhowe]

Bossobass, are you seriously implying that this helps us in some way?


Mind = blown

 

[Warrior_of_Freedom]

Aww, did he wet his pants from a few angwy phone calls? Because a few calls represents an entire base, obviously.

Media: You suck
Handful of Ron Paul supporters (whether fake or not): No, you suck!
Media: -type type type- The Ron Paul supporters just said we suck!

 

[Anti Federalist]

You must spread some Reputation around before giving it to Bossobass again.

Try to get off your high horse and pay attention. If they exclude RP because a few people "pissed them off", they are irrelevant, IMO and at the very least they are far, far less than HUGE.

If you believe you have a secret key to the WH for RP, you should stop trying to herd cats, block cointelpro and scold misbehaved folk and ask for a job at one of the campaign HQs.

This whole pile o crap reminds me of the last go-'round when at every rally I attended folks admonished me to "try to get the campaign to get RP on Glenn Beck because it would be HUGE for 'us' ".

We all know how that one turned out.

Man, do you (or, does anyone) actually think Ron would sit 3rd nationally in actual real polls today if it weren't for the outrageous efforts of a vocal minority of sign wavers, sign makers, cross country trekkers, groups who shouted down Giulianni, Romney-bots and neo-cons at the debates, crashed servers, flooded e-mail boxes, shouted "End The Fed" in front of the Fed branches, etc., last time around?

If that sort of thing ain't your cup o tea, that's perfectly fine. Stay home and write apologetic e-mails to PPP. But please stop telling those who have a different motivation or preference they are "idiots" or condoning it when others do.

Bosso

 

[tsai3904]

@Bosso

They didn't exclude Ron Paul because a few people pissed them off. They've been excluding him for months and have explained many times why he's left off the general election polls.

It's funny how you hate it when others tell people what to do or what not to do yet you're doing the exact same thing. Everyone is free to do as they please. I've never told anyone not to call or email PPP. All I've been saying is that if we want PPP to include RP in future polls, then we aren't helping by leaving angry voice mails. I've stated an opinion that can be debated. I don't understand your anger at people stating their opinions yet you feel free to voice yours.

 

[Jeremy]

Chances are it's NOT a conspiracy. Chances are they ARE Ron Paul supporters. Haven't you guys seen some of these supporters? They are nuts.

 

[One Last Battle!]

The establishment sees us as a threat.. they don't see Romney or Perry as a threat to anything.

The establishment isn't a monolithic organization that is out to thwart us. The guys who support Perry are not faceless goons who's primary motive for existing is to prop up the statist quo and stop Ron Paul. Lets be realistic here; we aren't viewed as the giant threat to the statists because they don't really think we can win, and they have enough internal disagreements to make it so that we can win so long as they are divided.

The election is not a parade of candidates being brought out for the sole purpose of hurting Ron; most of them will only hurt the previous month's candidate, which is good for us. The "establishment" Republicans are, for sure, looking for a better establishment candidate since Romney is unreliable and weak, but they aren't in agreement on, well, anything. If they were, they would uniformly support one candidate who would proceed to be painted "FRONTRUNNER" and win every race. As it is, they are divided and don't take us seriously, which is just great for us. If we win, then they will demonstrate that they have more loyalty to their party than their fellow statists in the Democratic party and will back Ron anyway. All we need to do is spread the meme of Ron Paul's electability over the early states and win at least one of them, whereupon the sudden boost in attention will make victory much easier.

Anyway, my point is that there might very well be false flag attacks for the purposes of discrediting us. However, we need to actually prove that they are responsible for them, whereupon we can take advantage of the situation like we did with the blackout. Simply making wild claims that the stupid supporters are actually a conspiracy by the establishment to discredit us only makes us look immature, like asking Ron Paul about aliens.

 

[specialkornflake]

I don't worry about this stuff this time around because I'm more interested in the philosophy of liberty than any other factor. At a RP meeting early in the 2008 campaign an older guy handed my friend some stormfront information. Soon, the old guy got the picture that noone was interested. But, these people are around and will continue to come around. Some people even say that RP is giving libertarianism a bad name because he isn't an ancap and on-the-surface supports closed borders, etc. We're a much bigger group this time around and I've got other stuff I'd rather worry about.

 

[MelissaCato]

I dunno, but the last nasty phone call I made was to a Capt. Tim Hull about the MIAC report. I hope he gave Linda that pay raise or he's about due for a followup call. (lol) That Linda deserved a pay raise after all our calls to confirm that MIAC Report. Bless her heart.

 

[Mr. Smith]

What would Ron Paul do?