All beaches should be open to individuals who want to fish for food

[JoshLowry]

If the scenario continues to play out where

(1) non-essential businesses are closed

(2) the government only plans on giving $1200 to a work force that is >60% paycheck to paycheck over a multi-month lock down who have rent to pay

(3) homeless no longer receive charity do to drastic reduction of charitable workforce on road

then why are we not allowing individuals access to the largest source of free food?

Fishing should be considered an essential trip for food.

All beaches should be open to individuals who are acquiring food BEFORE the end of April.

We should be pro-active rather than reactive to a potential moment that comes along when the majority run out of money.

Allow individuals access to a source of food besides their neighbors pantry.

 

[JoshLowry]

http://archive.is/usAdr

L.A. County’s beaches, piers, beach bike paths, beach access points, public trails and trailheads are closed through at least April 19. That order covers beaches in every coastal city and unincorporated area of the county.

How many tens of thousands of homeless people live in LA? They are not likely to be getting stimulus checks in any kind of reasonable time period either.

 

[oyarde]

All public waterways should be open to fishing . I agree .

 

[AngryCanadian]

Well in Serbia and in some Balkan countries your allowed to do so and do fishing as long you return home and only home by 5pm curfew.

 

[Krugminator2]

How many tens of thousands of homeless people live in LA? They are not likely to be getting stimulus checks in any kind of reasonable time period either.

A disaster relief check isn't going to help a homeless person. If anything, they, along with current welfare recipients, are the people least affected by this whole thing. In fact, it actually doesn't make any economic sense to cut them a $1200 check. And I highly doubt easier access to fishing will change anything. They are homeless for a reason.

 

[PAF]

This is Prime Time to put Agorism into Practice. Educate others, have others practice with you...

In a nutshell, libertarian is an impractical philosophy, Agorism is the practical solution that can be applied to everyday life.

Skip the fishing “permits”. Yes, the onus is on you, but if enough people participate... it must start somewhere.

 

[oyarde]

A disaster relief check isn't going to help a homeless person. If anything, they, along with current welfare recipients, are the people least affected by this whole thing. In fact, it actually doesn't make any economic sense to cut them a $1200 check. And I highly doubt easier access to fishing will change anything. They are homeless for a reason.

There are a lot of thigs Gov.'s could do . The states that still tax food ( barbaric , I know , but about half do ) could suspend sales tax on food , waive fishing license fees , suspend state tax on gasoline , suspend sales tax on utilities etc

 

[Anti Federalist]

In my poorest time of life, I survived for over a month on locally caught fish.

I concur.

 

[oyarde]

In my poorest time of life, I survived for over a month on locally caught fish.

I concur.

Ya , when I was young I might fish an hour or two after work five times a week . That's what I ate for dinner until payday probably most of the time .

 

[Krugminator2]

In my poorest time of life, I survived for over a month on locally caught fish.

I concur.

What percentage of homeless people in California are rugged individualists who would know how to survive by fishing? I am guessing .01%.

 

[euphemia]

Nashville sits right on the Cumberland River and the Stones River, and Percy Priest Lake and Old Hickory Lake. Within blocks of those rivers and lakes you will find truckloads of panhandlers. From where Old Hickory Blvd comes off I-40, you could practically throw a rock and hear it splash in Percy Priest. There are dozens of places where the rivers run in places where there is plenty of unpatrolled public access. I have walked the entire east side from Shelby Bottoms to Percy Priest Dam. I have never seen a homeless person trying to fish for food. There are gorgeous catfish by the hundreds right there for the catching.

There is plenty of access where we live and regular working people spend their days off sitting on the shoreline fishing. Some people leave some of their gear. There is a homeless guy living behind one of the hotels right off I-40 but he would rather dumpster dive at the hotel and panhandle out front than walk over to the lake.

 

[JoshLowry]

A disaster relief check isn't going to help a homeless person. If anything, they, along with current welfare recipients, are the people least affected by this whole thing. In fact, it actually doesn't make any economic sense to cut them a $1200 check. And I highly doubt easier access to fishing will change anything. They are homeless for a reason.

I don't understand how $1200 wouldn't help a homeless person. How are you going to argue that with a straight face?

Also they are homeless, they are not all helpless. Even the best of us can have our lives come crashing down on us in an instant. Acts of god and what not...

Keep this situation of closures and lockdown up and they will be forced to make a decision to survive.

We should be increasing the number of options available to the broke and hungry, not limiting them.

 

[CoastieInColorado]

A disaster relief check isn't going to help a homeless person. If anything, they, along with current welfare recipients, are the people least affected by this whole thing. In fact, it actually doesn't make any economic sense to cut them a $1200 check. And I highly doubt easier access to fishing will change anything. They are homeless for a reason.

Well, we'll disagree about the homeless, but I absolutely agree anyone currently on the dole(SSI/Disabiulity/veterans) shouldn't get another dime.

I can't believe how many of these types in youtube comments alone "are we getting the check too???" But WHY? Their financial situation literally wasn't changed by this, in fact, this would just be a bonus on top of their untouchable payments. When I question them getting this payment, I just get back their resume and excuses of why they didn't save for retirement and they deserve more now because of the virus, or something. Fucking ridiculous.

 

[kahless]

Well, we'll disagree about the homeless, but I absolutely agree anyone currently on the dole(SSI/Disabiulity/veterans) shouldn't get another dime.

I can't believe how many of these types in youtube comments alone "are we getting the check too???" But WHY? Their financial situation literally wasn't changed by this, in fact, this would just be a bonus on top of their untouchable payments. When I question them getting this payment, I just get back their resume and excuses of why they didn't save for retirement and they deserve more now because of the virus, or something. Fucking ridiculous.

What was government's role that created the situation in which they ended up homeless?

Did they lose their home due to property taxes? (for renters landlord property tax increases)

Did government prevent them from working due to COVID-19 lockdown, licensing requirements, bond or insurance requirements?

Were they prevented from working by a personal vendetta from various government officials or physically abused to the point of disability by jack booted thugs we call the police? (there are 2 million government employees in the US with power to destroy or effect your life. If not directly through family and friends or other means)

I can keep going on but the point is don't be so quick to judge how people ended up on government assistance through no fault of their own and in many cases by government or government employees.

 

[CoastieInColorado]

What was government's role that created the situation in which they ended up homeless?

Did they lose their home due to property taxes? (for renters landlord property tax increases)

Did government prevent them from working due to COVID-19, licensing requirements, bond or insurance requirements?

Were they prevent by a personal vendetta by various government officials or physically abused back jack booted thugs we call the police? (there are 2 million government employees in the US with power to destroy or effect your life. If not directly through family and friends or other means)

I can keep going on but the point is don't be so quick to judge how people ended up on government assistance through no fault of their own and in many cases by government employees.

Kindly point out where I was quick to judge anyone here? You're the one claiming a $1200 payment wouldn't help the homeless, all I said was I disagreed and then you made a bunch of assumptions about how I came to my disagreement.

You must be super fun to be around in real life.

 

[kahless]

Kindly point out where I was quick to judge anyone here? You're the one claiming a $1200 payment wouldn't help the homeless, all I said was I disagreed and then you made a bunch of assumptions about how I came to my disagreement.

You must be super fun to be around in real life.

It was Krugminator2 that said $1200 would not help the homeless, not me. Here is your quote that I was replying to which clearly says you have an issue with people taking assistance which all I am saying is do not be that quick to judge the reasoning.

anyone currently on the dole(SSI/Disabiulity/veterans) shouldn't get another dime.

I can't believe how many of these types in youtube comments alone "are we getting the check too???" But WHY? Their financial situation literally wasn't changed by this, in fact, this would just be a bonus on top of their untouchable payments. When I question them getting this payment, I just get back their resume and excuses of why they didn't save for retirement and they deserve more now because of the virus, or something. Fucking ridiculous.

 

[shakey1]

Makes sense.

 

[donnay]

The Ghost of Tom Joad
Bruce Springsteen

Man walks along the railroad track
He's Goin' some place, there's no turnin' back
The Highway Patrol chopper comin' up over the ridge
Man sleeps by a campfire under the bridge
The shelter line stretchin' around the corner
Welcome to the New World Order
Families sleepin' in their cars out in the Southwest
No job, no home, no peace, no rest, No Rest!

And The highway is alive tonight
Nobody's foolin' nobody as to where it goes
I'm sitting down here in the campfire light
Searchin' for the Ghost of Tom Joad

He pulls his prayer book out of a sleepin' bag
The preacher lights up a butt and takes a drag
He's waitin' for the time when the last shall be first and the first shall be last
In a cardboard box 'neath the underpass
With a one way ticket to the promised land
With a hole in your belly and a gun in your hand
Lookin' for a pillow of solid rock
Bathin' in the cities' aqueducts

And The highway is alive tonight
Nobody's foolin' nobody as to where it goes
I'm sittin' down here in the campfire light
With the Ghost of old Tom Joad

Now Tom Said; "Ma, whenever ya see a cop beatin' a guy
Wherever a hungry new born baby cries
Wherever there's a fight against the blood and hatred in the air
Look for me ma'
I'll be there

Wherever somebody's strugglin' for a place to stand
For a decent job or a helpin' hand
Wherever somebody is strugglin' to be free
Look in their eyes ma,
You'll see me

And the highway is alive tonight
nobody's foolin' nobody as to where it goes
I'm sittin' down here in the campfire light
With the Ghost of Tom Joad

Songwriters: BRUCE SPRINGSTEEN

 

[oyarde]

crap , i was counting on coastie to buy me a beer once in awhile in my retirement ( i retired in 2016 )

 

[susano]

I can't even begin to say how surreal it is to see a thread title like this on the Ron Paul Forums. I feel like I've awoken in Bolshevik Russia. Everyone needs to stop agreeing to that word "allowed", too. This needs to be discussed in the correct context of evil humans trying to prevent other humans from exercising their freedom.

As for the homeless, the vast majority are mentally ill and/or drug addicts. They need help, now, just as they did a year ago. 1200 bucks isn't going to do anything but buy drugs, booze or get one of them robbed by another one. They need to be housed, though many refuse it. They need bathrooms and access to sanitation. They need food and dog food (many have dogs). They need addiction and mental health help. And fishing? Ha. With what fishing poles, line, hooks and bait?