Alex Jones to sue CIA & FBI

[vita3]

why is this human train wreck getting promoted again?

 

[jmdrake]

why is this human train wreck getting promoted again?

Alex Jones is a canary in the coal mine. What happens to him happens to others. Alex Jones got de-platformed, others got de-platformed. Alex Jones was attacked through defamation lawsuits, Fox News got attacked by defamation lawsuits and Tucker is still being smeared on that when he was the one telling the truth. [mod edit] It's the tactics being used that are important to consider.

 

[Sonny Tufts]

They "nudged" the plaintiffs into suing him in a way in which would bankrupt him.

They had no need to nudge. There were plenty of plaintiffs' lawyers to do more than nudge.

 

[Occam's Banana]

They had no need to nudge.

And yet, the FBI guy in the article quoted in the OP says they did.

 

[Sonny Tufts]

And yet, the FBI guy in the article quoted in the OP says they did.

The point is that the families who sued Jones would have done so with or without any federal nudging. Plaintiffs' lawyers are an aggressive bunch.

 

[Occam's Banana]

The point is that the families who sued Jones would have done so with or without any federal nudging. Plaintiffs' lawyers are an aggressive bunch.

The point is that the feds still nudged them, anyway (hypothetical assumptions to the effect that "ambulance chasers gonna chase ambulances" notwithstanding). Feds ought not do that, and any system that permits it is broken.

 

[Valli6]

something I never understood...

The point is that the families who sued Jones would have done so with or without any federal nudging. Plaintiffs' lawyers are an aggressive bunch.

Are we to believe that each of these families happened to be listening to Alex Jones show that day(s), heard what he said and as a result became so distraught that they fell into some emotional abyss worth millions of dollars in damages? I've never heard any explanation as to how they actually came to be impacted by Jone's discussion. Were they previously fans of his, who enjoyed his show every day, only to be taken by surprise by this one discussion?

I realize Jones’s has a large following, but I’d suspect the vast majority of the population of America does not watch his show or even know who he is. What are the odds that each of these families caught this one episode? Can it be that some incognito feds had to come along and nudge them into awareness first, keeping their grief and anger fresh?

I've also heard there are claims alleging Jone's fans showed up to harass the victims' families, but have never heard details. How were these complaints lodged and how were they investigated? Were these harassers arrested or sued for their crimes? Who are they? How were these acts documented? Where they part of Jone's trial?

Considering the hard-on the CIA/FBI had for destroying Alex Jones, why would you NOT consider that these harassers were government nudgeniks themselves, out to cause damage? Historically, we've known them to do far scummier things!

 

[dannno]

I's like to know exactly what the CIA and/or FBI did to cause Jones to lie about Sandy Hook and to disobey court orders resulting in default judgments being rendered against him.

Judge: "Turn over all your documents"

Alex Jones: "Ok, here you go"

Judge: "There's more documents you need to turn over"

Alex Jones: "That's everything Judge, I don't have anything more to turn over"

Judge: "No, there is more to turn over, you just haven't turned it over yet"

Alex Jones: "Nope, I don't have anything more to turn over, I've given you everything, what more do you want?"

Judge: "Default judgement, for the Plaintiff"

Sonny: "I'm retarded!"

 

[Anti Federalist]

The point is that the families who sued Jones would have done so with or without any federal nudging. Plaintiffs' lawyers are an aggressive bunch.

The point is the CIA should not be involved in any way in a domestic legal matter, civil or criminal.

For Christ's sake I would think that would be glaringly obvious.

 

[jmdrake]

Judge: "Turn over all your documents"

Alex Jones: "Ok, here you go"

Judge: "There's more documents you need to turn over"

Alex Jones: "That's everything Judge, I don't have anything more to turn over"

Judge: "No, there is more to turn over, you just haven't turned it over yet"

Alex Jones: "Nope, I don't have anything more to turn over, I've given you everything, what more do you want?"

Judge: "Default judgement, for the Plaintiff"

Sonny: "I'm retarded!"

 

[jmdrake]

Plaintiff's attorney : Mr. Jones, we have text messages that your lawyer accidentally sent to me of the very discovery that you said you didn't have.

Alex Jones: I guess you've got your Perry Mason moment.

Alex Jones' lawyers thought bubble : "Man we screwed up! And we didn't object based on privilege so it's a double screw up."

 

[acptulsa]

Plaintiff's attorney : Mr. Jones, we have text messages that your lawyer accidentally sent to me of the very discovery that you said you didn't have.

LOL

But will dannno learn to stop listening to the site where he got all that malinformation, and listen to you instead?

 

[Sonny Tufts]

Judge: "Turn over all your documents"

Alex Jones: "Ok, here you go"

Judge: "There's more documents you need to turn over"

Alex Jones: "That's everything Judge, I don't have anything more to turn over"

Judge: "No, there is more to turn over, you just haven't turned it over yet"

Alex Jones: "Nope, I don't have anything more to turn over, I've given you everything, what more do you want?"

Judge: "Default judgement, for the Plaintiff"

Sonny: "I'm retarded!"

Danno: "I believe Alex Jones."

Conclusion: Danno is very gullible. Jones has zero credibility.

Don't forget, default judgments were rendered by two different judges in two different states, both owing to Jones' disobeying court orders in connection with discovery.

 

[Sonny Tufts]

The point is the CIA should not be involved in any way in a domestic legal matter, civil or criminal.

For Christ's sake I would think that would be glaringly obvious.

I agree. But Alex Jones is a poor poster boy to be held up as having been harmed by the CIA. Any harm he suffered was due to his own disobedience of court orders and his lies about Sandy Hook. That's one reason why his case against the FBI and CIA will go nowhere.

 

[dannno]

Plaintiff's attorney : Mr. Jones, we have text messages that your lawyer accidentally sent to me of the very discovery that you said you didn't have.

Alex Jones: I guess you've got your Perry Mason moment.

Alex Jones' lawyers thought bubble : "Man we screwed up! And we didn't object based on privilege so it's a double screw up."

If they already got it, then what's the problem?

Sounds like AJ already handed it over to his attorney, did his attorney screw something up?

He sent them a mountain of data and they expected AJ to be on top of everything that was sent as well as be 100% familiar with all of the data he has?

Sounds pretty ridiculous to me.

 

[dannno]

I agree. But Alex Jones is a poor poster boy to be held up as having been harmed by the CIA. Any harm he suffered was due to his own disobedience of court orders and his lies about Sandy Hook. That's one reason why his case against the FBI and CIA will go nowhere.

One of the families was saying that when they heard Hillary Clinton talking about AJ and Sandy Hook during the election, they thought that he was still on his podcast talking about it and making money years later.. when in fact he tried for several weeks to NOT talk about it, while documentaries with millions of views were all over the internet.. his audience was DEMANDING he talk about it, all he did was a couple interviews, decided to drop it right away and never talked about it again. The families never watched the show, had no idea what they were even suing him over.

AJ wasn't allowed to defend himself in court.

It was all a big setup to knee cap him, that is what they admitted it was from day one.

 

[vita3]

Live your best life...

Leave AJ behind

 

[Anti Federalist]

I agree. But Alex Jones is a poor poster boy to be held up as having been harmed by the CIA. Any harm he suffered was due to his own disobedience of court orders and his lies about Sandy Hook. That's one reason why his case against the FBI and CIA will go nowhere.

Sooo...I'm to just ignore the fact that FBI and CIA manipulated a domestic civil court case, until they destroy a more sympathetic figure?

Maybe it will be me next time...although I am, IRL, a much bigger asshole than Jones.

 

[jmdrake]

If they already got it, then what's the problem?

Possible perjury for him having said he didn't have such messages on his phone. Needlessly delaying and driving up the litigation costs by not cooperating with discovery. Disobeying a lawful court order.

Sounds like AJ already handed it over to his attorney, did his attorney screw something up?

Yes. The attorney screwed up multiple ways. But it also sounds like Alex didn't tell the truth about whether or not he did any texts about Sandy Hook. There are two possibilities. 1) Alex just "forgot" and his lawyer didn't refresh his memory by helping him search through his own cell phone. 2) AJ didn't want the records out and told his attorney not to turn them over. It's still his attorney's screw up. He should have convinced Alex to turn the records over and explained to him how they would mitigate the situation. The Paul Joseph Watson comment about the COVID dummies and his statement "This is like Sandy Hook" wasn't necessarily fatal to their case. They could have argued that both were examples of unintentional mistakes that were cleared up as soon as possible.

He sent them a mountain of data and they expected AJ to be on top of everything that was sent as well as be 100% familiar with all of the data he has?

Sometimes the best answer is "I don't recall" as opposed to an emphatic "No." But also in this case there was a specific question that Alex could easily check and verify. Further, 99% of the time before you have someone under oath you do written discovery AKA interrogatories and requests for production of documents. Normally you have 30 days to comply though the time often gets extended. So there was probably an interrogatory question on paper that said "Do you send or receive any text messages about Sandy Hook" followed by "produce any text messages you sent or received about Sandy Hook." The lawyer should have found that, told Alex the answer to the interrogatory was "yes" and then created a file with a copy of all of those messages to turn over. Why that didn't happen? That's between Alex and his lawyer.

Sounds pretty ridiculous to me.

Absolutely! Alex's lawyer should have made sure they complied with discovery. And if Alex didn't want to turn something over that should have been turned over, his lawyer should have made sure that he had to turn it over and explained to Alex clearly how they could still win the case even after getting all of the facts out. And he should have put discovery on a flash drive and double checked it before sending it as opposed to sharing a link. Lot's of screw ups..

 

[jmdrake]

Sooo...I'm to just ignore the fact that FBI and CIA manipulated a domestic civil court case, until they destroy a more sympathetic figure?

Maybe it will be me next time...although I am, IRL, a much bigger $#@! than Jones.

I get your point. What [MENTION=41772]Sonny Tufts[/MENTION] seems to be missing is the fact that you don't pick your plaintiffs. Well....sometimes people do. Rosa Parks wasn't the first black women not to give up her seat on a Montgomery bus, but the woman before her was a single mom and back then the left cared about appearances. Fast forward to the 21st century and a druggie who robbed a pregnant woman at gunpoint, but nonetheless was murdered by a cop (no excuse for Chauvin to have his knee on Floyd's neck 2 minutes after Floyd no longer had a pulse), became an international hero for....dying. And it's not like there haven't been more sympathetic black people killed by police. Elijah McClain was just walking home listening to music, wearing a ski mask because of his allergies and he was attacked by police and then overdosed by EMTs with ketamine. That was just a year before George Floyd. But how many people know his name? (I had to look it up). I think Floyd was a matter of timing. It was close enough to affect the 2020 election and far enough away from the First Step Act for all of the goodwill Trump had generated in the black community to have evaporated.