ALERT! The 4 hold outs are being confronted with force! - LIVE STREAM

sparebulb said:
I guess they are planning to turn themselves in tomorrow with government preacher Graham getting the photo op.

He could be the GOP nominee for president if they get a picture of him praying for them face down on the ground with his boot on their necks.

Romans 13 style.
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Yeah, they'll give Graham a bullet-proof vest.
 
Michelle is positively giddy at the prospect of them surrendering,

And her to be there for the cameras.

She's now praising God for them giving up to the government and guaranteed felony convictions.
 
Anybody on how much time they are going to serve?

I have no clue what they supposedly violated.
 
This god stuff is so over the edge. Nothing wrong with a higher power & knowing that mankind must abide by his limitations, but these folks talk about God like he just physically manifested at their local barbecue. I never knew some Christians who were so vocal with the personal God junk.
 
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AuH20 said:
This god stuff is so over the edge. Nothing wrong with a higher power & knowing that mankind must abide by his limitations, but these folks talk about God like he just physically manifested at their local barbecue. I never knew some Christians who were so vocal with the personal God junk.
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AuH20 said:
This god stuff is so over the edge. Nothing wrong with a higher power & knowing that mankind must abide by his limitations, but these folks talk about God like he just physically manifested at their local barbecue. I never knew some Christians who were so vocal with the personal God junk.
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and yet nobody died tonight even though everybody thought it was guaranteed to happen
 
idiom said:
If Rand was there driving up in a bulldozer, drove out with them peacefully, that's it. He would be elected in a heartbeat.
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Could you imagine Rand in a killdozer??

Maybe he could have borrowed Rons whimsical jalopy

 
Chester Copperpot said:
3gw 4 gw????
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google is your friend...https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Generations_of_warfare

  • First-generation warfare refers to battles fought with massed manpower, using line and column tactics with uniformed soldiers governed by the state.
  • Second-generation warfare is the tactics used after the invention of the rifled musket and breech-loading weapons and continuing through the development of the machine gun and indirect fire. The term second generation warfare was created by the U.S. military in 1989.
  • Third-generation warfare focuses on using speed and surprise to bypass the enemy's lines and collapse their forces from the rear. Essentially, this was the end of linear warfare on a tactical level, with units seeking not simply to meet each other face to face but to outmaneuver each other to gain the greatest advantage.
  • The concept of fourth-generation warfare as presented by Lind et al. is characterized by a return to decentralized forms of warfare, blurring of the lines between war and politics, combatants and civilians due to nation states' loss of their near-monopoly on combat forces, returning to modes of conflict common in pre-modern times.
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A letter from the men who dance in the shadows:

Well, what a clusterfuck…

This is not a Militia. This is Joe’s armed gang of Patriots. No discipline, no control, no rational plan. I am torn between pity and scorn.

AND JUST FOR THE RECORD… not ONE well regulated Militia was in attendance at any point. The word Militia was not in ANY of the federal indictment docs. The Militia meme was promoted by Gov and the Media. And perhaps by the Bundys.

I am so sick of any group of folks with guns using the term. If you do not have a code of conduct, bylaws, chain of command, elections, selections, regular qualifications and regular real world training YOU are not a Militia. No Uniform? NO patch? No unit identifier? You are NOT well regulated Militiamen, as far as WE are concerned.

Article 4 of the Third Geneva Convention
A. Prisoners of war, in the sense of the present Convention, are persons belonging to one of the following categories, who have fallen into the power of the enemy:
1. Members of the armed forces of a Party to the conflict as well as members of militias or volunteer corps forming part of such armed forces.
2. Members of other militias and members of other volunteer corps, including those of organized resistance movements, belonging to a Party to the conflict and operating in or outside their own territory, even if this territory is occupied, provided that such militias or volunteer corps, including such organized resistance movements, fulfill the following conditions:
(a) That of being commanded by a person responsible for his subordinates;
(b) That of having a fixed distinctive sign recognizable at a distance;
(c) That of carrying arms openly;
(d) That of conducting their operations in accordance with the laws and customs of war.

6. Inhabitants of a non-occupied territory, who on the approach of the enemy spontaneously take up arms to resist the invading forces, without having had time to form themselves into regular armed units, provided they carry arms openly and respect the laws and customs of war.

Having said all that, we did support the SPIRIT of the normal protesters! But, once local support was voided, and multiple APs exposed, and glaring errors in strategy, tactics, logistics, intelligence and security pointed out, they went ahead anyway. FROM THAT MOMENT ONWARD they were fucked. Well and truly fucked. Not ONE unit east of the Rockies mobilized for this. We alerted in our local AOs, for sure. Our focus remains the same as it always was:
FAMILY
COMMUNITY
COUNTY
COUNTRY
CONSTITUTION

WHEN POLITICAL ELEMENTS (III%ERS, OATHKEEPERS, PATRIOT NETWORKS) TAKE ACTION ON THE CIVIL DISOBEDIENCE FRONT THEY NEED TO OWN IT.

Everyone wants to be Militia, until its time to do Militia shit.
Everyone wants to speak for us, get support from us, claim our allegiance.
Then treat us as the red-headed step-children of the Liberty Movement.

At least the Professionals; JC Dodge, Max, Moseby, Pinelander and others don’t pretend to be our allies. In spite of the pretenses of some of them they care about us enough to be truthful from their own perspective and experience. Hell half our guys are veterans, many in their 20s-30s.

We don’t advertise, we don’t make threats or bluster. We watch and act when when our LOCAL leadership requires it. NO local Militia in Oregon asked for assistance. And we owe no allegiance to corrupt bureaucrats (elected or not) at the state or federal level. Once the broke faith with us, and violated their oaths they LOST ALL LEGITIMACY with us.

WE LIVE in a constant state of rebellion. We have been targeted for assassination, entrapment, IRS persecution and negative media propaganda for DECADES.

90% of you don’t even know us.

So quit pretending to be us. Read the IRA green Book and STFU.

ps: No Militias were advised of this fiasco prior to the seizure.

Sorry Peter, I tried to keep the peace. Really I did.
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Tod said:
....instead just making "those fools, I could have done it so much better" inflammatory comments.
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If you know the enemy and know yourself, you need not fear the result of a hundred battles. If you know yourself but not the enemy, for every victory gained you will also suffer a defeat. If you know neither the enemy nor yourself, you will succumb in every battle.

I think that's the main issue in all this. Decide what you want to accomplish. What is the mission statement? Is it civil disobedience or a military style occupation? If it's the latter, you picked a hell of a place to defend with no airpower. Rural flatlands & away from an active population is a general no-no if you are cognizant of the resources the FBI can bring.
 
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