ALERT: Rand Paul is being DETAINED at the Nashville Airport by the TSA

eduardo89 said:
I agree with you. But if you take the world literally a congressman cannot be detained for any reason while on his way to congress. That's why SCOTUS ruled in Gravel v US that te immunity does not apply to laws unrelated to the carrying out of legislative business.
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The intent of Article 1 section 6 clause 1 is very clear. It was intended to prevent the detention of a senator or representative enroute to session. Allowing this to happen sets a very dangerous precedent.

I believe Rand could have ignored the TSA and walked toward the plane and been on firm constitutional ground if they attempted an arrest.
 
LiveForHonortune said:
Look, beyond whether what they did was right or wrong (and it was definitely wrong), let's talk about how badly this reflects on the state of our nation.

This made headlines all around the world. We're already being laughed at by British people and even Chinese for being a police state.
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Don't get me wrong - I love your country for it's beauty and it's friendly people. For me the USA is still the country of unlimited possibilities. But when I travel to the US by plane I just think that the security measures are crazy. We have to take a survey with ridiculous questions, such as "do you carry bombs with you". And the immigration office is also a joke. Even if you just fly through the US, for example to get to Mexico, you have to leave your fingerprints.

When I see how easy it is for US citizens to get into my country (=Switzerland) I think it is pretty unfair ;-)
 
swiss_supporter said:
Don't get me wrong - I love your country for it's beauty and it's friendly people. For me the USA is still the country of unlimited possibilities. But when I travel to the US by plane I just think that the security measures are crazy. We have to take a survey with ridiculous questions, such as "do you carry bombs with you". And the immigration office is also a joke. Even if you just fly through the US, for example to get to Mexico, you have to leave your fingerprints.

When I see how easy it is for US citizens to get into my country (=Switzerland) I think it is pretty unfair ;-)
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Meeh... I'd rather you don't patronize our country at this point. The sad state of affairs are the worst it has been since ever. I'd rather live during civil war times than this. The ridiculous frustration we have and the fact congress has a 5% approval rating yet the same people get voted back in most of the time. At least you Swiss guys get mandatory free guns and ammo.
 
LiveForHonortune said:
Meeh... I'd rather you don't patronize our country at this point. The sad state of affairs are the worst it has been since ever. I'd rather live during civil war times than this. The ridiculous frustration we have and the fact congress has a 5% approval rating yet the same people get voted back in most of the time. At least you Swiss guys get mandatory free guns and ammo.
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I don't want to offend anybody. But it is my honest opinion about your security measures. I think the US is slowly turning into a police state. But we also have big problems over here. They don't give you ammo anymore in the military, just the guns. The politicians from the left are turning Switzerland into a socialist state. And the media is also biased. It's getting worse over here. That's why I want Ron Paul to be your president. It wouldn't just change the US, it would change the whole world!
 
swiss_supporter said:
I don't want to offend anybody. But it is my honest opinion about your security measures. I think the US is slowly turning into a police state. But we also have big problems over here. They don't give you ammo anymore in the military, just the guns. The politicians from the left are turning Switzerland into a socialist state. And the media is also biased. It's getting worse over here. That's why I want Ron Paul to be your president. It wouldn't just change the US, it would change the whole world!
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Ammo is still subsidized though isn't it?

Very off topic, but where in CH are you from?
 
Good that he refused the pat-down.

What I'm wondering, though, is WHY he CONSENTS to the even more invasive stripsearch machines (which radiates you, in order to create and store a detailed naked image of your body). I do just the opposite; if they want to violate me, they're gonna have to work for it, one-on-one.

I have to fly for work, but I don't let my wife and children fly, because of the TSA. They can scan us all, but they can't grope us all. The pat-down is just a diversion, to intimidate you into going through their Rapescan stripsearch machines.

I think Rand has this one backwards, but I'm glad he's taking a stand, and drawing some heat to the TSA.

www.ronpaulforums.com/showthread.ph...Possible-Candidate-EVER&p=4082294#post4082294
 
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eduardo89 said:
Ammo is still subsidized though isn't it?

Very off topic, but where in CH are you from?
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Right. But if you are in the military, as most mens used to be, you used to get a gun and ammo to take home. Nowadays you have to leave the ammo there, but you can take your gun home. What sense does that make? I'm from St. Moritz...

But back to the topic. I honestly think that the security measures are too much. I travelled a lot of times to the US and it is getting worse everytime. Last time I had to wait like 6 hours at the immigration office and they wouldn't let me in. I don't know why? Afterwards they told me that they made a mistake and I can get in. We have to leave a lot of informations there and also our fingerprints and we have to carry a biometrical pass with a chip with us. I'm wondering what they're doing with that info?
 
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swiss_supporter said:
I don't want to offend anybody. But it is my honest opinion about your security measures. I think the US is slowly turning into a police state. But we also have big problems over here. They don't give you ammo anymore in the military, just the guns. The politicians from the left are turning Switzerland into a socialist state. And the media is also biased. It's getting worse over here. That's why I want Ron Paul to be your president. It wouldn't just change the US, it would change the whole world!
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I think many people here realize that if we had Ron Paul as president we'd be setting an example for others to follow. More countries would admire us again and the world would be a much peaceful place. But it doesn't have to stop here in the U.S. Many of you in other countries who have been inspired by Ron Paul, need to spread his message of Libertarianism for others to follow within your own communities and eventually the halls of government. Start your own meetup groups. Maybe call it "The Ron Paul Society for Peace and Prosperity!" and try to reform your own country. This is the time people might be more receptive now because of how bad the economy is. You know what they say... no one can stop an idea whose time has come! Freedom brings people together. :)
 
libertygrl said:
I think many people here realize that if we had Ron Paul as president we'd be setting an example for others to follow. More countries would admire us again and the world would be a much peaceful place. But it doesn't have to stop here in the U.S. Many of you in other countries who have been inspired by Ron Paul, need to spread his message of Libertarianism for others to follow within your own communities and eventually the halls of government. Start your own meetup groups. Maybe call it "The Ron Paul Society for Peace and Prosperity!" and try to reform your own country. This is the time people might be more receptive now because of how bad the economy is. You know what they say... no one can stop an idea whose time has come! Freedom brings people together. :)
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Yeah, that's true. We are also working hard over here to educate people. More and more people are waking up to the fact that we are in trouble. We have an organization in Switzerland which is trying to spread the libertarian message. We are doing it through blogs, facebook-groups and meetups. And we also have some politicians who are involved (for example our youngest congressman in the parliament). But it is still interesting to see how the movement is growing in the US and how Ron Paul really has a chance of winning this thing... And we are planing on coming over to the US to support Ron Paul. For instance to show that he is not an "isolationist", and to show that it is possible to be friends with each other. I think this could be huge, since there will be some members from the swiss and maybe german parliament.
 
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swiss_supporter said:
Yeah, that's true. We are also working hard over here to educate people. More and more people are waking up to the fact that we are in trouble. We have an organization in Switzerland which is trying to spread the libertarian message.
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Are you reffering to the "Liberales Institut" in Zürich?
 
Cinderella said:
I haven't flown since prior to 9/11...honestly I'm scared to be put in a position where myself and my daughters, 6 and 8, will be groped...makes me sick
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I'm with you--and I also have 2 daughters. I'd rather teach them appropriate boundaries than fly somewhere for vacation. Fortunately, most our family is in driving distance.
 
swissaustrian said:
Are you reffering to the "Liberales Institut" in Zürich?
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Not exactly. We are group of young people. For example our blog: http://switzerland4paul.blogspot.com or our youtube-channels where we subtitle Ron Paul Videos. But there are many organizations. We are trying to organize the different organizations. For example we have meetups to plan stuff together with congressman Lukas Reimann.
 
swiss_supporter said:
Not exactly. We are group of young people. For example our blog: http://switzerland4paul.blogspot.com or our youtube-channels where we subtitle Ron Paul Videos. But there are many organizations. We are trying to organize the different organizations. For example we have meetups to plan stuff together with congressman Lukas Reimann.
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I like LR, but his voting record in the Nationalrat isn't purely Libertarian
I sent you a personal message, so we can discuss this in more detail :)
 
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