Alec Baldwin Shot and Killed Female Cinematographer, Injured Director on Movie Set

ClaytonB said:
I don't necessarily see Baldwin in the wrong to be barking back at a paparazzi hound. I think that non-celebrities (that means you and me) generally do not understand (a) just how much physical and psychological pressure a crowd of paparazzi can create and (b) just how often the paparazzi are unleashed as hell-hounds by the invisible Hollywood power elite

It comes with the territory to have the paparazzi after you if you are famous. It is a choice to be famous believe me it is a choice. At any rate the paparazzi are quite good at capturing the true character of whoever they are photographing.
 
People having opinions about things ... is an absolutely normal and typical thing that all human beings throughout history have done and will continue to do for so long as they remain human beings.

Agreed. All I'm saying is beware of jumping to conclusions. Maybe I'm way off base, but I smell the potential for a well-laid trap, here.
 
It comes with the territory to have the paparazzi after you if you are famous. It is a choice to be famous believe me it is a choice.

Oh, that's certainly false, cf Britney, Miley, and basically every other child star ever.

At any rate the paparazzi are quite good at capturing the true character of whoever they are photographing.

Also certainly false. The paparazzi are a bunch of predators. As a supporter of laissez-faire, I support their legal right to do what they do (as long as they are standing on ground they have a legal right to stand on, and respect personal space), but I also support the right of bodyguards for Hollywood A-listers to be armed with submachine guns, brass-knuckles and blackjacks... so the root-problem is that there is a legal one-way-street here, and that's typical statist BS. Nevermind that the Hollywood A-listers themselves have mush for brains and cannot understand how it is the State itself that is the root-cause of their woes, but I digress...
 
Maybe I'm way off base, but I smell the potential for a well-laid trap, here.

So, Baldwin said to someone, "If she calls for another take, I'm going to fucking shoot a blank at her"? He didn't mention that in his interview.

Trump said he could shoot people and get away with it. Baldwin isn't Trump, but played him on TV. And he did, and seems to be getting away with it. Celebrity worship is hard on this country.
 
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So, Baldwin said to someone, "If she calls for another take, I'm going to $#@!ing shoot a blank at her"? He didn't mention that in his interview.

Trump said he could shoot people and get away with it. Baldwin isn't Trump, but played him on TV. And he did, and seems to be getting away with it. Celebrity worship is hard on this country.

And basically nothing you mentioned here is within the parameters of ordinary reality. More like living in a (really crappy) dream. At some point, people are going to have to wake up and realize that the level of fakery has gone beyond their wildest imaginations....
 
Agreed. All I'm saying is beware of jumping to conclusions. Maybe I'm way off base, but I smell the potential for a well-laid trap, here.

No one has jumped to conclusions. Some have expressed opinions about Baldwin's degree of culpability and have given reasons for their assessments. In the very video that prompted this branch of the thread, Viva Frei emphasized that what he was presenting was only his opinion - and he explicitly said that his opinion was subject to change given any new or additional information. There is nothing objectionable or deserving of a warning in any of this.
 
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No one has jumped to conclusions. Some have expressed opinions about Baldwin's degree of culpability and have given reasons for their assessments. In the very video that prompted this branch of the thread, Viva Frei emphasized that what he was presenting was only his opinion - and he explicitly said that his opinion was subject to change given any new or additional information. There is nothing objectionable or deserving of a warning in any of this.

I don't understand why you keep responding with a high tone as if I'm out in left field. I'm not "warning" anyone. All I'm saying is -- watch out, judge the facts carefully, beware of allowing others to lead your opinion to certain "obvious" conclusions. That's all. I don't agree that the paparazzi footage tells us anything at all about Baldwin's character. If I were famous like that, I'd probably be 1000x worse and I wouldn't give a damn about the "footage" or what people thought it says about my "character". With perhaps a few exceptions (but I doubt it) paparazzi are fecal bacteria in human form. And I springboarded off of that to share my opinion about rage-baiting and its role in the culture proxy-war, which the right-wing is absolutely losing (because they keep taking the bait). If you don't like my opinions, you don't have to read them.
 
I don't understand why you keep responding with a high tone as if I'm out in left field.

Mote, meet beam. Beam, mote ...

I'm not "warning" anyone. All I'm saying is -- watch out, [...] beware [...]

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I'm not "warning" anyone. All I'm saying is -- watch out, judge the facts carefully, beware of allowing others to lead your opinion to certain"obvious" conclusions. That's all. I don't agree that the paparazzi footage tells us anything at all about Baldwin's character. If I were famous like that, I'd probably be 1000x worse and I wouldn't give a damn about the "footage" or what people thought it says about my "character". With perhaps a few exceptions (but I doubt it) paparazzi are fecal bacteria in human form. And I springboarded off of that to share my opinion about rage-baiting and its role in the culture proxy-war, which the right-wing is absolutely losing (because they keep taking the bait). If you don't like my opinions, you don't have to read them.

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Mote, meet beam. Beam, mote ...

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Well, I guess we're using "warning" in different ways. I'm not warning as in scolding anyone, or telling them off, or even suggesting that anyone in this thread is off-base or out-of-bounds. I'm simply adding some additional thoughts beyond, "Yeah and Amen, Baldwin is Guilty As Sin and That's the Gospel Truth Guldarnit."

Anyway, let me introduce myself... Hi, nice to meet you Occam, I'm Clayton and I have this bad habit of always trying to shoot down what I think is obviously true. Bad habit or not, it's saved my skin more times than I can count...
 
Alec Baldwin Served with SEARCH WARRANT - Viva Frei Vlawg
It's getting serious for Alec Baldwin.
https://rumble.com/vr0ngr-alec-bald...rrant-viva-frei-vlawg.html?mref=71v3&mc=bp3oa
 
Is it required for actors to know and understand a weapon that is handed to them? People have said that about Alec Baldwin.

What about these two women? Around the 4:11 mark:



Are those real guns? They look like it.

Do these actresses know enough to check whether it is a real gun or fake prop? If real, do they know how to check to see if it’s loaded? Do they know how to safely handle a gun? I’d have to guess that the answer to those questions are all “no”.

Headline for that skit should be “SNL actress shoots fellow actress in the head.”
 
Is it required for actors to know and understand a weapon that is handed to them? People have said that about Alec Baldwin.

What about these two women? Around the 4:11 mark:



Are those real guns? They look like it.

Do these actresses know enough to check whether it is a real gun or fake prop? If real, do they know how to check to see if it’s loaded? Do they know how to safely handle a gun? I’d have to guess that the answer to those questions are all “no”.

Headline for that skit should be “SNL actress shoots fellow actress in the head.”


Finger in trigger Full Pull.

Unloaded.. but still stupid..

No clue as to proper handling .


Pure Propaganda..by actresses (groomed) that have no clue.

These two women would probably take offense to the allusion that thay had been groomed into their particular positions..

I like sex too,, I just don't do that.


Phuck,, Friends, I like my women armed.
 
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Alec Baldwin UPDATE - Armorer SUES Prop Company! Lawyer Explains
Alec Baldwin shooting of Halyna Hutchins keeps getting wilder. Armorer sues prop company. And the lawsuit is bizarre.
https://rumble.com/vsus2i-alec-baldwin-update-armorer-sues-prop-company-lawyer-explains.html
 
Alec Baldwin sued by family of late ‘Rust’ cinematographer Halyna Hutchins
https://nypost.com/2022/02/15/alec-baldwin-sued-by-cinematographer-halyna-hutchins-family/
Marjorie Hernandez (15 February 2022)

Lawyers for Halyna Hutchins’ family filed a wrongful-death suit against actor Alec Baldwin on Tuesday — while releasing a chilling video re-enacting the movie-set shooting that killed the cinematographer.

The eerie animated footage, titled “Killing of Halyna Hutchins on the set of ‘Rust,’ ” uses computer-generated figures of Baldwin and others on the fated film shoot that day.

It includes the moment the star allegedly pulled the trigger of what was supposed to have been a prop gun with blank bullets.

“There are many people culpable, but Mr. Baldwin was the person holding the weapon … that but for him shooting, she would not have died,” said Hutchins family lawyer Brian Panish at a press conference in Los Angeles.

“[Baldwin] has significant portion liability, but there are others, and that’s what this case is going to be about — assessing fair apportionment to whoever’s responsible for the senseless tragedy,” the lawyer said of the suit, which was filed in New Mexico.

Baldwin is accused of firing the single bullet that hit and killed Hutchins, then exited her body and struck director Joel Souza in the clavicle, while filming the Western flick in New Mexico on Oct. 21.

During the press conference, her family’s lawyers showed the nearly 10-minute animation video — which includes a gruesome moment depicting the bullet searing through Hutchins’ chest and skeleton, reddening them with blood amid a bone-crunching sound effect.
The video has Baldwin sitting in a pew in a makeshift church on the set when he fires the gun, which hits Hutchins from 4 feet away.

“I’m hit,” a dying Hutchins said, according to the suit, while Souza cried out in pain.

The footage explains that there are simple ways to tell whether a bullet is live before it is fired. A dummy bullet would have had a hole in it and rattled when someone shook it, while a real bullet lacks the hole and makes no sound, the narrator said.

The lawyers claimed Baldwin refused weapons training on how to perform the cross-draw, which was the type of action he was supposed to do.

Randi McGinn, a lawyer from Albuquerque who is also representing the Hutchins family, said she is confident that a New Mexico jury will be able to understand the complexities of the case, which could go to trial within two years.

“We’re used to people coming in from out of town to play cowboy who don’t know how to use guns,” McGinn said. “The jury in Santa Fe is used to that and understands that even on a dude ranch, you don’t hand somebody a gun until you’ve given them safety training. … No one should ever die with a real gun on a make-believe set.

“That should never happen, and the people in Santa Fe understand that. They’re used to guns, and they are real cowboys in Santa Fe.”

The Hutchins family lawyers said the industry standard requires a crew to be behind protective glass and have other safety equipment during such a scene.

Panish said while his legal team does not have video to show Baldwin cocked the gun’s hammer before he fired, that would be the only way the single-action revolver would have gone off.

“I think it’s clear what happened,” Panish said. “He had the gun, he says he pulled the hammer back, it fired, and she was killed. … The experts will look at it and make any determinations, but we don’t think this was caused by any defect in the weapon.”

Baldwin responded on Tuesday night with an Instagram post that simply included an image of an art installment from the Parrish Art Museum that says: “Everything is going to be alright.”

The actor has claimed in a weepy interview that he had no idea there were real bullets in the weapon and that he “didn’t pull the trigger” — although the film’s script supervisor said in a separate lawsuit the actor “intentionally … cocked and fired” the gun.

The 29-page complaint from Hutchins’ family also names David Halls, the assistant director who handed the gun to Baldwin, armorer Hannah Gutierrez-Reed and other producers as defendants.

According to the document, Baldwin and the producers knew Gutierrez-Reed was “inexperienced” and “unqualified” for the armorer job — and that she was not even inside the church when the crew was lining up their shot, which is an “industry standards” requirement.

Members of the crew and production also were aware of previous safety issues that occurred on the “super unsafe” set, including three accidental gun discharges, according to the suit.
The lawyers said there were at least 15 industry standards that were violated, including failing to use a rubber prop gun, failing to treat the gun on set as if it were loaded and operating a camera remotely when a firearm is aimed at or near a camera.

Duncan Levin, a former federal prosecutor and New York-based criminal defense attorney, said filing a civil case before prosecutors have even filed criminal charges introduces several complications.

“Victims of crimes should tread carefully, particularly during this critical period when law enforcement is investigating the case,” Levin told The Post. “Criminal investigators are never particularly pleased with a parallel civil case being brought by crime victims. It’s a parallel investigation being conducted by non-law enforcement, who are trying to talk to the same people and trying to collect the same evidence. It’s duplicative, and sometimes confuses people. In certain circumstances, it could appear that victims care more about getting money than about enforcing their rights in court.”

Panish said Hutchins’ husband, Matthew, and their young son, Andros, continue to grieve.

The family has not placed an exact figure on their wrongful-death and punitive-damages claim, but Matthew “understands that a lawsuit is necessary to get answers,” Panish said.

“He wants answers. He wants closure,” the lawyer said. “And people have been respecting his privacy as he and his son deal with this in their own way.

“And I think when you meet Matt, you will see what a resilient, courageous, wonderful person he really is … and a great father, and he was a great husband to Halyna. It’s tragic that this happened to him and his son to go through this senselessness. It never ever should’ve happened.”

Levin said the family’s decision to file the lawsuit could signal they have lost faith in law enforcement since no one has been charged with a crime so far.

“At this point, they’re suing someone who law enforcement hasn’t even decided whether to charge or not,” Levin said. “It gives him (Baldwin) an opening to say, ‘I’m innocent. I’m out here living my life and I haven’t been charged with anything, yet these guys are jumping to the conclusion that I did something wrong. Well, let’s not jump to conclusions, let this process play out. You’ll see that I did nothing wrong.’ It will allow (Baldwin) that kind of opening, strategically speaking.”

Baldwin did not respond to The Post’s request for comment.

The Hutchins’ family suit is one of now four legal claims filed against Baldwin and “Rust” producers.

Lighting technician Serge Svetnoy, the film’s script supervisor Mamie Mitchell and Gutierrez-Reed previously filed their own lawsuits.

Gutierrez-Reed, who was in charge of checking all firearms on the set, claimed in her suit that ammunition supplier Seth Kenney mixed live rounds in boxes she thought contained only blanks.

Baldwin was told that the gun was “cold,” indicating the weapon contained only dummy bullets, but a live bullet inside the weapon struck and killed Hutchins as she was setting up a close-up shot of the actor, Gutierrez-Reed said.
 
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Alec Baldwin’s attorney calls claims actor was ‘reckless’ on ‘Rust’ set ‘entirely false’
https://news.yahoo.com/alec-baldwin-attorney-calls-claims-204605210.html
Lauryn Overhultz (15 February 2022)

Alec Baldwin's lawyer called the claim that the actor was "reckless" on the set of "Rust" "entirely false" in a statement to Fox News Digital.

Baldwin was named in a wrongful death lawsuit filed by cinematographer Halyna Hutchins' family Tuesday. Hutchins died on the set of "Rust" on Oct. 21 after a gun Baldwin was holding discharged.

The Hutchins family's lead lawyer Brian Panish claimed "reckless behavior and cost-cutting" led to the death of Hutchins during a press conference regarding the lawsuit.

However, Baldwin's attorney hit back at the claim as he emphasized that the actor is continuing to "cooperate" with authorities on the investigation into Hutchins' death.

"Everyone’s hearts and thoughts remain with Halyna’s family as they continue to process this unspeakable tragedy. We continue to cooperate with the authorities to determine how live ammunition arrived on the ‘Rust’ set in the first place. Any claim that Alec was reckless is entirely false," attorney Aaron Dyer said on behalf of Baldwin in a statement to Fox News Digital.

"He, Halyna and the rest of the crew relied on the statement by the two professionals responsible for checking the gun that it was a ‘cold gun’ — meaning there is no possibility of a discharge, blank or otherwise. This protocol has worked on thousands of films, with millions of discharges, as there has never before been an incident on a set where an actual bullet harmed anyone. Actors should be able to rely on armorers and prop department professionals, as well as assistant directors, rather than deciding on their own when a gun is safe to use."

Baldwin, armorer Hannah Gutierrez-Reed, assistant director David Halls, production companies and producers were named in the lawsuit filed on behalf of Halyna's husband Matthew Hutchins and their son Andros on Tuesday in New Mexico.

Representatives for Gutierrez Reed and Halls did not immediately respond to Fox News Digital's request for comment.

The Santa Fe County Sheriff's office, which is conducting the investigation into Hutchins' death, had no comment on the lawsuit filed.

"The investigation remains open and ongoing," Juan Rios, a spokesperson for the sheriff's office, told Fox News Digital.

Despite naming others in the lawsuit, the Hutchins family's lawyer pointed most blame on Baldwin himself.

"I think it's clear what happened," Panish told reporters Tuesday. "Alec had the gun in his hand. He shot it. Halyna was killed."

He also claimed that Baldwin had refused weapons training on how to cross-draw a revolver. Per Panish, Baldwin and production had "disregarded at least 15 industry standards" on the set of "Rust."

Hutchins' family is suing for punitive damages, funeral and burial expenses, among other things to be determined at trial.

"Halyna Hutchins deserved to live, and the Defendants had the power to prevent her death if they had only held sacrosanct their duty to protect the safety of every individual on a set where firearms were present instead of cutting corners on safety procedures where human lives were at stake, rushing to stay on schedule and ignoring numerous complaints of safety violations," the lawsuit reads.

"This lawsuit seeks justice for the losses of her survivors and to hold responsible those who caused her tragic death."

Baldwin was spotted running errands in New York City on Tuesday morning ahead of the wrongful death lawsuit announcement.
 
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