Alec Baldwin Shot and Killed Female Cinematographer, Injured Director on Movie Set

[dannno]

How was that an accident? How did a gun fire without the trigger being pulled? This requires some liberal thinking skills.

I believe he did admit to pulling back the hammer.

 

[Brian4Liberty]

I believe he did admit to pulling back the hammer.

Yeah, I saw that part of the interview. He pulled back the hammer and then let it go. And that is one way to fire those old six-shooters. Surely if he is making a western he has seen someone fanning the hammer and shooting that way in another movie?

 

[Brian4Liberty]

Piece of wood pulls hammer...


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mHLS7VrBb3w

 

[pcosmar]

I believe he did admit to pulling back the hammer.

If it was not a "Slip Gun", https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/slip gun

he still needed to pull the trigger.

Related Question

Which is more dangerous,? a Slip Gun,, or the person that would carry a Slip Gun?

 

[Mach]

I totally believe Baldwin would go around emphasizing that he did not pull the trigger, knowing that people would hear it and be so "shocked" just for free publicity.

 

[Brian4Liberty]

If it was not a "Slip Gun", https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/slip gun

he still needed to pull the trigger.

Related Question

Which is more dangerous,? a Slip Gun,, or the person that would carry a Slip Gun?

One fact we know: there was a round under the hammer. It fired.

I don't see how it makes any difference if Baldwin was pulling the trigger, but it appears he thinks it absolves him of some responsibility. He may be using the fact that those guns are prone to accidental firing if there is a round under the hammer, to try to make himself seem less negligent. But I don't see how that changes the facts. There was a live round, ready to fire. That should not have been there under any circumstances. He aimed it at the people, nothing changes that fact.

 

[luctor-et-emergo]

If it was not a "Slip Gun", https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/slip gun

he still needed to pull the trigger.

Related Question

Which is more dangerous,? a Slip Gun,, or the person that would carry a Slip Gun?

Doesn't this potential always exist when the hammer is not fully drawn back and the trigger is not engaged yet ?

 

[acptulsa]

Doesn't this potential always exist when the hammer is not fully drawn back and the trigger is not engaged yet ?

Yes. If the hammer is not drawn back far enough to lock, nor eased forward gently, yes, it can still move the firing pin.

 

[pcosmar]

Doesn't this potential always exist when the hammer is not fully drawn back and the trigger is not engaged yet ?

Hammer has a Half cock. and full cock.

Trigger must be depressed/released for the hammer to fall..
A hammer in the un-cocked position over a live round could be slammed and fired.. (dropped or struck)

Trigger releases both Cocked and Half-Cocked.

unless the gun has been modified or worn out to an unsafe condition.

I learned to quick Draw with Black Powder revolvers.
I have a dangerous habit,,I draw with the trigger pulled..before I clear leather.

My thumb becomes my trigger finger.

I have never accidentally discharged a firearm.

 

[Occam's Banana]

Alec Baldwin “what could I have done”

You could have checked the damn gun yourself!

How was that an accident? How did a gun fire without the trigger being pulled? This requires some liberal thinking skills.

Another evil gun "just went off". /sarc

I believe he did admit to pulling back the hammer.

I totally believe Baldwin would go around emphasizing that he did not pull the trigger, knowing that people would hear it and be so "shocked" just for free publicity.

His lawyers should have told him to just STFU and stay off the public interview circuit.

Or maybe they did, but his ego just couldn't resist.

 

[luctor-et-emergo]

Hammer has a Half cock. and full cock.

Trigger must be depressed/released for the hammer to fall..
A hammer in the un-cocked position over a live round could be slammed and fired.. (dropped or struck)

Trigger releases both Cocked and Half-Cocked.

unless the gun has been modified or worn out to an unsafe condition.

I learned to quick Draw with Black Powder revolvers.
I have a dangerous habit,,I draw with the trigger pulled..before I clear leather.

My thumb becomes my trigger finger.

I have never accidentally discharged a firearm.

So my question is, on any average revolver [not modified], can you manipulate the hammer in any way where it will strike the firing pin with sufficient force to set off a bullet/cartridge without being restrained by the trigger mechanism. As in, can you pull it back just before it engages the mechanism and release in order to fire the round ?

 

[acptulsa]

So my question is, on any average revolver [not modified], can you manipulate the hammer in any way where it will strike the firing pin with sufficient force to set off a bullet/cartridge without being restrained by the trigger mechanism. As in, can you pull it back just before it engages the mechanism and release in order to fire the round ?

A better question would be, did they bring an average revolver to the set of a film about something that happened 150 years ago?

 

[luctor-et-emergo]

A better question would be, did they bring an average revolver to the set of a film about something that happened 150 years ago?

Good question. I do not for a second accept that a gun fires itself. The rest of the case can be debated but guns do not fire themselves.

 

[pcosmar]

So my question is, on any average revolver [not modified], can you manipulate the hammer in any way where it will strike the firing pin with sufficient force to set off a bullet/cartridge without being restrained by the trigger mechanism. As in, can you pull it back just before it engages the mechanism and release in order to fire the round ?

From what you are describing,, No..
The gun would be out of battery.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Out-of-battery

 

[Dr.3D]

So my question is, on any average revolver [not modified], can you manipulate the hammer in any way where it will strike the firing pin with sufficient force to set off a bullet/cartridge without being restrained by the trigger mechanism. As in, can you pull it back just before it engages the mechanism and release in order to fire the round ?

If the idiot who was pulling back the hammer already had the trigger depressed while he was cocking it, it would fire when the hammer was released.

 

[phill4paul]

Whether loaded, unloaded, "safe," finger off trigger...

It doesn't matter. You do NOT point a weapon at another individual. Unless you are sincere in causing harm or death.

You may show me a gun is unloaded. You may allow me to recheck that it is unloaded. If at that point you STILL sweep me I'm going to lay you on your ass.

 

[acptulsa]

Good question. I do not for a second accept that a gun fires itself. The rest of the case can be debated but guns do not fire themselves.

Correct. The hammer has a spring. Compressing the spring gives the hammer enough energy to set off the cap (we're talking pre American Civil War now) or drive the firing pin into the powder end of the cartridge. A double action links the trigger so it can push the hammer back. But one of those levers must be moved. The revolver doesn't capture any energy and use it to work any mechanism except what is manually applied to it.

Baldwin had no respect for the gun or his victim. Neither one. The bottom line is this:

Whether loaded, unloaded, "safe," finger off trigger...

It doesn't matter. You do NOT point a weapon at another individual. Unless you are sincere in causing harm or death.

You may show me a gun is unloaded. You may allow me to recheck that it is unloaded. If at that point you STILL sweep me I'm going to lay you on your ass.

 

[pcosmar]

If the idiot who was pulling back the hammer already had the trigger depressed while he was cocking it, it would fire when the hammer was released.

Cylinder turns as well,, as the hammer is drawn.

Half way still moves the cylinder OUT of Battery. Won't fire. it's a Mechanical thing.

 

[Dr.3D]

Cylinder turns as well,, as the hammer is drawn.

Half way still moves the cylinder OUT of Battery. Won't fire. it's a Mechanical thing.

I just took my Colt Navy out and held the trigger down while pulling back the hammer. As long as I pull the hammer all the way back, before letting go of it, it will fire.

 

[pcosmar]

I just took my Colt Navy out and held the trigger down while pulling back the hammer. As long as I pull the hammer all the way back, before letting go of it, it will fire.

Where is the Cylinder lined up? at what point does it start to move? (Out of Battery)
Fully back should line up the cylinder..

I had a Walker Flash fire once.. (out of battery) Exciting,, but that is a drawback common to BP revolvers.