Aldous Huxley's Brave New World (BNW)

[InterestedParticipant]

Overview of the Oligarch's vision as communicated through Huxley's work.

YouTube - Brave New World - Film, Lit and the NWO

 

[Deborah K]

Read it. Loved it. Soma anyone?

 

[Kraig]

Read it. Loved it. Soma anyone?

What did you like about it? I thought it was pretty dismal.

 

[Andrew-Austin]

Although intelligent, Huxley had a few loose screws, probably from his ancestors practice of inbreeding.

I have read the book and if you think we're in any danger of entering in to the Brave New World you are delusional. Our central planners are not capable of planning anything that is both complex and effective, despite their 50 year old invocations of science, so you should probably stop worshiping them.

Have you ever read Huxley's other book The Time Machine? In the book he transports us to the evolutionary future he thinks capitalism will ultimately lead us to. And if you had read the book, you would know the basis for it was utterly retarded. Huxley does not know shit, his opinion and prophecies are worthless other than how they might have influenced other delusional control freaks.

"In a speech from 1962 Huxley said his inspiration for the book was based on real developments in the sciences". Yes, such as the 'firmly established' science behind subliminal messages. Not.

 

[Kraig]

Although intelligent, Huxley had a few loose screws, probably from his ancestors practice of inbreeding.

I have read the book and if you think we're in any danger of entering in to the Brave New World you are delusional. Our central planners are not capable of planning anything that is both complex and effective, despite their 40 year old invocations of science, you probably stop worshiping them.

"In a speech from 1962 Huxley said his inspiration for the book was based on real developments in the sciences". Yes, such as the 'firmly established' science behind subliminal messages. Not.

I don't think it's that far off. I think it would be possible to genetically engineer a caste system where only the upper castes would have access to or the ability to be creative, free, etc. I think they have been making slow progress in their ability to control masses of people and that is really the key to the rest.

 

[Deborah K]

What did you like about it? I thought it was pretty dismal.

Yes it's dismal. But I like books and movies on despotism. I view them as learning material. Call me crazy.

 

[Deborah K]

Although intelligent, Huxley had a few loose screws, probably from his ancestors practice of inbreeding.

I have read the book and if you think we're in any danger of entering in to the Brave New World you are delusional. Our central planners are not capable of planning anything that is both complex and effective, despite their 50 year old invocations of science, so you should probably stop worshiping them.

Have you ever read Huxley's other book The Time Machine? In the book he transports us to the evolutionary future he thinks capitalism will ultimately lead us to. And if you had read the book, you would know the basis for it was utterly retarded. Huxley does not know shit.

"In a speech from 1962 Huxley said his inspiration for the book was based on real developments in the sciences". Yes, such as the 'firmly established' science behind subliminal messages. Not.

Give them time.

 

[Kraig]

Yes it's dismal. But I like books and movies on despotism. I view them as learning material. Call me crazy.

Gotcha, I'm the same way, so in that way I did love reading the book. I know some other people who actually love the idea of that type of society, obviously that doesn't fit you so I was confused.

 

[ramallamamama]

Ridley Scott is going to do a film version soon. He should just was a year or two and do a documentary.

 

[NewEnd]

I just read it last week, funnily. It was ok. I am not sure how literal it was supposed to be, or if it was more supposed to be a story of the conditioning of two societies in opposite. I mean the savages were not really shown as any better or worse than the civilized, and visa-versa.

 

[Deborah K]

I just read it last week, funnily. It was ok. I am not sure how literal it was supposed to be, or if it was more supposed to be a story of the conditioning of two societies in opposite. I mean the savages were not really shown as any better or worse than the civilized, and visa-versa.

hmmm...I definitely thought the savages were portrayed much worse.

 

[NewEnd]

hmmm...I definitely thought the savages were portrayed much worse.

I think most people that read the book and come away thinking that message of the book is the dangers of the civilized world's utopian structure. Kind of like Andrew-Austin said. So I was definitely surprised to see it was not so much a run of the mill sci-fi dystopia story, but more a book on extreme culture clashing due to conditioning.

 

[Imperial]

Although intelligent, Huxley had a few loose screws, probably from his ancestors practice of inbreeding.

I have read the book and if you think we're in any danger of entering in to the Brave New World you are delusional. Our central planners are not capable of planning anything that is both complex and effective, despite their 50 year old invocations of science, so you should probably stop worshiping them.

Have you ever read Huxley's other book The Time Machine? In the book he transports us to the evolutionary future he thinks capitalism will ultimately lead us to. And if you had read the book, you would know the basis for it was utterly retarded. Huxley does not know shit, his opinion and prophecies are worthless other than how they might have influenced other delusional control freaks.

"In a speech from 1962 Huxley said his inspiration for the book was based on real developments in the sciences". Yes, such as the 'firmly established' science behind subliminal messages. Not.

Huxley himself is an interesting character. Kinda reminds me of Robert Nozick in that he experimented in a huge variety of philosophies but never necessarily made his ideas infallible and retained an open mind.

He may take the science side too far, but the philosophical side of the book is dead-on in how to take power. It is interesting that even though the government of sorts in the book says it decided to stop using force, it does use coercion to a heavy extent and is not really a huge leap from 1984.

 

[emazur]

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/6057734.stm
Human species 'may split in two'

YouTube - Aldous Huxley's Mind Control and Depopulation Interview (Part 1 of 3) - look in the description area.

 

[InterestedParticipant]

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/6057734.stm
Human species 'may split in two'

YouTube - Aldous Huxley's Mind Control and Depopulation Interview (Part 1 of 3) - look in the description area.

Charles Galton Darwin wrote about this as a goal in his book, the Next Million Years.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Charles_Galton_Darwin

They're going to dumb down and starve us of nutrients for so long that the underclasses will become genetically different than the elite and ruling classes.

 

[InterestedParticipant]

Although intelligent, Huxley had a few loose screws, probably from his ancestors practice of inbreeding.

I have read the book and if you think we're in any danger of entering in to the Brave New World you are delusional. Our central planners are not capable of planning anything that is both complex and effective, despite their 50 year old invocations of science, so you should probably stop worshiping them.

Have you ever read Huxley's other book The Time Machine? In the book he transports us to the evolutionary future he thinks capitalism will ultimately lead us to. And if you had read the book, you would know the basis for it was utterly retarded. Huxley does not know shit, his opinion and prophecies are worthless other than how they might have influenced other delusional control freaks.

"In a speech from 1962 Huxley said his inspiration for the book was based on real developments in the sciences". Yes, such as the 'firmly established' science behind subliminal messages. Not.

Let's be crystal clear about this:

1. Huxley was a servant to the elite class, coming from a family of elite servants

"Aldous was the grandson of Thomas Henry Huxley, the zoologist, agnostic and controversialist ("Darwin's Bulldog"). His brother Julian Huxley and half-brother Andrew Huxley also became outstanding biologists." J
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aldous_Huxley

Sir Julian Sorell Huxley FRS (22 June 1887–14 February 1975) was an English evolutionary biologist, humanist and internationalist. He was a proponent of natural selection, and a leading figure in the mid-twentieth century evolutionary synthesis. He was Secretary of the Zoological Society of London (1935–1942), the first Director of UNESCO, and a founding member of the World Wildlife Fund.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Julian_Huxley


2. In this capacity, BNW was published as predictive programming, preparing the perception of the masses so that they could put into context what was happening, and what was about to happen, in society.

 

[InterestedParticipant]

I saw the BNW movie that was mentioned in this thread, and one of my biggest takeaways was the messages that it sent to the elite's technocracy (ie. the people that carry out the elite's objectives):

1. "Savages" (ie. the people who rebuke "civilization" and live in no-mans land outside of the elite's "Habitat" areas) must NOT posses books or any other cultural symbols or sources of information.
   
2. Savages can NEVER be re-introduced into "Society," even on an experimental basis.
   
3. Savages must be totally oppressed... all elements of humanity, including history, must be kept from them.
   
4. One Savage with a few books can wreak havoc on "Society" at some later date

 

[Imperial]

Let's be crystal clear about this:

1. Huxley was a servant to the elite class, coming from a family of elite servants

"Aldous was the grandson of Thomas Henry Huxley, the zoologist, agnostic and controversialist ("Darwin's Bulldog"). His brother Julian Huxley and half-brother Andrew Huxley also became outstanding biologists." J
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aldous_Huxley

Sir Julian Sorell Huxley FRS (22 June 1887–14 February 1975) was an English evolutionary biologist, humanist and internationalist. He was a proponent of natural selection, and a leading figure in the mid-twentieth century evolutionary synthesis. He was Secretary of the Zoological Society of London (1935–1942), the first Director of UNESCO, and a founding member of the World Wildlife Fund.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Julian_Huxley


2. In this capacity, BNW was published as predictive programming, preparing the perception of the masses so that they could put into context what was happening, and what was about to happen, in society.

This is a joke. So first he is a member of the elite because his brother believed in conservation evolution and happened to be an internationalist, and his grandfather was a bit controversial.

You know, maybe Rand Paul is a servant of the elite. After all, his father Ron Paul is considered quite controversial and almost revolutionary. He is describing libertarian ideals because he is trying to get us used to minarchal dystopia where man loses all order and collapses to the Stone Age at the benefit of the elite.

After all, its the same principle at play.

Or you know, we could go with what is much more plausible. Aldous Huxley could have just had an open-mind...

 

[fletcher]

Although intelligent, Huxley had a few loose screws, probably from his ancestors practice of inbreeding.

I have read the book and if you think we're in any danger of entering in to the Brave New World you are delusional. Our central planners are not capable of planning anything that is both complex and effective, despite their 50 year old invocations of science, so you should probably stop worshiping them.

Have you ever read Huxley's other book The Time Machine? In the book he transports us to the evolutionary future he thinks capitalism will ultimately lead us to. And if you had read the book, you would know the basis for it was utterly retarded. Huxley does not know shit, his opinion and prophecies are worthless other than how they might have influenced other delusional control freaks.

"In a speech from 1962 Huxley said his inspiration for the book was based on real developments in the sciences". Yes, such as the 'firmly established' science behind subliminal messages. Not.

H.G. Wells wrote The Time Machine, not Huxley.

 

[Chieppa1]

H.G. Wells wrote The Time Machine, not Huxley.

Thank you. Someone said it.