Al Qaeda never existed? They are just freedom fighters?

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Hello I forgot where i've heard this but is it true our Cia just labled the mujahideen Al Qaeda after 9/11? If this is true are the CIA doing this to mask the fact that the US supported the freedom fighters in the late 80's to fight the soviets? Are they doing this to trick the American public by creating that name? I know there are plenty of educated Ron Paul supporters on these forums especially on foreign policy. I have another question why did the mujahideen become our enemies? they were our friends in the late 80's.... also saddam and osama weren't they trained by our cia also lol? or given funds and armaments. Somebody want to give me a little brief history and stuff it would be greatly appreciated thanks....

-Devin
 
Hello I forgot where i've heard this but is it true our Cia just labled the mujahideen Al Qaeda after 9/11? If this is true are the CIA doing this to mask the fact that the US supported the freedom fighters in the late 80's to fight the soviets? Are they doing this to trick the American public by creating that name? I know there are plenty of educated Ron Paul supporters on these forums especially on foreign policy. I have another question why did the mujahideen become our enemies? they were our friends in the late 80's.... also saddam and osama weren't they trained by our cia also lol? or given funds and armaments. Somebody want to give me a little brief history and stuff it would be greatly appreciated thanks....

-Devin

Mujahideen, in arabic, simply means "freedom fighter." There are many groups that bear that title in some form.
 
Al-Quaeda are just some guys with videocams -- all they do is claim responsibility for acts perpetrated by western intelligence, specially against civilians.
 
Hello I forgot where i've heard this but is it true our Cia just labled the mujahideen Al Qaeda after 9/11? If this is true are the CIA doing this to mask the fact that the US supported the freedom fighters in the late 80's to fight the soviets? Are they doing this to trick the American public by creating that name? I know there are plenty of educated Ron Paul supporters on these forums especially on foreign policy. I have another question why did the mujahideen become our enemies? they were our friends in the late 80's.... also saddam and osama weren't they trained by our cia also lol? or given funds and armaments. Somebody want to give me a little brief history and stuff it would be greatly appreciated thanks....

-Devin

During the mid '80s, Donald Rumsfield once shook hands with Saddam Hussein, and their our photos to prove it. If there were to be MWD, it'd be courtesy of our policies either granting them the weapons, or the tools to build one. I like how Ron Paul uses the terminology of 'blowback', because we're witnessing both the definition and effects of it. Our policies led us to fund, train, and then meddle with their everyday lives. Our legislation strongly believes that imposing sanctions on other nations will do the job, meanwhile it's putting hurt on innocence. The only excuse they have for the attempted attacks on us and the wars we're struggling with overseas is because they down-right hate us. Of course they have a strong sense of hatred towards us, we've meddled with their civil liberties, bombed their countries, and kept adding more military personnel presence on their holy land which totally affronted their religion.

I was in sixth grade when the deliberate attacks on September 11th, 2001 happened. I actually bought the B.S. that the reasoning to why they attacked us was because they hate the fact we're a free country for many years. A few years ago is when I began asking myself questions, I began to open my eyes and look at the whole picture. It was last year when I began to study upon Congressman Ron Paul, and he put a complete stop to my confusion. The only reason why most called him an 'idiot' during the primary debates is because he was both preaching and bringing up issues that nobody ever heard in their time of living. I was actually going to vote for McCain, up until a buddy of mine insisted that I write-in Ron Paul, and it was then when I began realizing how our policies is stuffed with cheat & deceit. What is satisfying to me is to how many more Americans are begining to turn their heads towards the true freedom & liberty. "If freedom is what we want, it is ours for the taking. Let the revolution begin" -- Ron Paul | "The Revolution - A Manifesto" That is his last statement on the final chapter of his book, "The Revolution - A Manifesto", and it inspires me more than anything to hold onto personal freedoms & civil liberties until it is ours once again.
 
Al Qaeda -- the Database

Shortly before his untimely death, former British Foreign Secretary Robin Cook told the House of Commons that "Al Qaeda" is not really a terrorist group but a database of international mujaheddin and arms smugglers used by the CIA and Saudis to funnel guerrillas, arms, and money into Soviet-occupied Afghanistan. Courtesy of World Affairs, a journal based in New Delhi, WMR can bring you an important excerpt from an Apr.-Jun. 2004 article by Pierre-Henry Bunel, a former agent for French military intelligence.

Wayne Madsen Report

"I first heard about Al-Qaida while I was attending the Command and Staff course in Jordan. I was a French officer at that time and the French Armed Forces had close contacts and cooperation with Jordan . . .

"Two of my Jordanian colleagues were experts in computers. They were air defense officers. Using computer science slang, they introduced a series of jokes about students' punishment.

"For example, when one of us was late at the bus stop to leave the Staff College, the two officers used to tell us: 'You'll be noted in 'Q eidat il-Maaloomaat' which meant 'You'll be logged in the information database.' Meaning 'You will receive a warning . . .' If the case was more severe, they would used to talk about 'Q eidat i-Taaleemaat.' Meaning 'the decision database.' It meant 'you will be punished.' For the worst cases they used to speak of logging in 'Al Qaida.'

"In the early 1980s the Islamic Bank for Development, which is located in Jeddah, Saudi Arabia, like the Permanent Secretariat of the Islamic Conference Organization, bought a new computerized system to cope with its accounting and communication requirements. At the time the system was more sophisticated than necessary for their actual needs.

"It was decided to use a part of the system's memory to host the Islamic Conference's database. It was possible for the countries attending to access the database by telephone: an Intranet, in modern language. The governments of the member-countries as well as some of their embassies in the world were connected to that network.

"[According to a Pakistani major] the database was divided into two parts, the information file where the participants in the meetings could pick up and send information they needed, and the decision file where the decisions made during the previous sessions were recorded and stored. In Arabic, the files were called, 'Q eidat il-Maaloomaat' and 'Q eidat i-Taaleemaat.' Those two files were kept in one file called in Arabic 'Q eidat ilmu'ti'aat' which is the exact translation of the English word database. But the Arabs commonly used the short word Al Qaida which is the Arabic word for "base." The military air base of Riyadh, Saudi Arabia is called 'q eidat 'riyadh al 'askariya.' Q eida means "a base" and "Al Qaida" means "the base."

"In the mid-1980s, Al Qaida was a database located in computer and dedicated to the communications of the Islamic Conference's secretariat.

"In the early 1990s, I was a military intelligence officer in the Headquarters of the French Rapid Action Force. Because of my skills in Arabic my job was also to translate a lot of faxes and letters seized or intercepted by our intelligence services . . . We often got intercepted material sent by Islamic networks operating from the UK or from Belgium.

"These documents contained directions sent to Islamic armed groups in Algeria or in France. The messages quoted the sources of statements to be exploited in the redaction of the tracts or leaflets, or to be introduced in video or tapes to be sent to the media. The most commonly quoted sources were the United Nations, the non-aligned countries, the UNHCR and . . . Al Qaida.

"Al Qaida remained the data base of the Islamic Conference. Not all member countries of the Islamic Conference are 'rogue states' and many Islamic groups could pick up information from the databases. It was but natural for Osama Bin Laden to be connected to this network. He is a member of an important family in the banking and business world.

"Because of the presence of 'rogue states,' it became easy for terrorist groups to use the email of the database. Hence, the email of Al Qaida was used, with some interface system, providing secrecy, for the families of the mujaheddin to keep links with their children undergoing training in Afghanistan, or in Libya or in the Beqaa valley, Lebanon. Or in action anywhere in the battlefields where the extremists sponsored by all the 'rogue states' used to fight. And the 'rogue states' included Saudi Arabia. When Osama bin Laden was an American agent in Afghanistan, the Al Qaida Intranet was a good communication system through coded or covert messages.

Meet "Al Qaeda"

"Al Qaida was neither a terrorist group nor Osama bin Laden's personal property . . . The terrorist actions in Turkey in 2003 were carried out by Turks and the motives were local and not international, unified, or joint. These crimes put the Turkish government in a difficult position vis-a-vis the British and the Israelis. But the attacks certainly intended to 'punish' Prime Minister Erdogan for being a 'toot tepid' Islamic politician.

" . . . In the Third World the general opinion is that the countries using weapons of mass destruction for economic purposes in the service of imperialism are in fact 'rogue states," specially the US and other NATO countries.

" Some Islamic economic lobbies are conducting a war against the 'liberal" economic lobbies. They use local terrorist groups claiming to act on behalf of Al Qaida. On the other hand, national armies invade independent countries under the aegis of the UN Security Council and carry out pre-emptive wars. And the real sponsors of these wars are not governments but the lobbies concealed behind them.

"The truth is, there is no Islamic army or terrorist group called Al Qaida. And any informed intelligence officer knows this. But there is a propaganda campaign to make the public believe in the presence of an identified entity representing the 'devil' only in order to drive the 'TV watcher' to accept a unified international leadership for a war against terrorism. The country behind this propaganda is the US and the lobbyists for the US war on terrorism are only interested in making money."

In yet another example of what happens to those who challenge the system, in December 2001, Maj. Pierre-Henri Bunel was convicted by a secret French military court of passing classified documents that identified potential NATO bombing targets in Serbia to a Serbian agent during the Kosovo war in 1998. Bunel's case was transferred from a civilian court to keep the details of the case classified. Bunel's character witnesses and psychologists notwithstanding, the system "got him" for telling the truth about Al Qaeda and who has actually been behind the terrorist attacks commonly blamed on that group. It is noteworthy that that Yugoslav government, the government with whom Bunel was asserted by the French government to have shared information, claimed that Albanian and Bosnian guerrillas in the Balkans were being backed by elements of "Al Qaeda." We now know that these guerrillas were being backed by money provided by the Bosnian Defense Fund, an entity established as a special fund at Bush-influenced Riggs Bank and directed by Richard Perle and Douglas Feith.

French officer Maj. Pierre-Henri Bunel, who knew the truth about "Al Qaeda" -- Another target of the neo-cons
 
Hello I forgot where i've heard this but is it true our Cia just labled the mujahideen Al Qaeda after 9/11? If this is true are the CIA doing this to mask the fact that the US supported the freedom fighters in the late 80's to fight the soviets? Are they doing this to trick the American public by creating that name? I know there are plenty of educated Ron Paul supporters on these forums especially on foreign policy. I have another question why did the mujahideen become our enemies? they were our friends in the late 80's.... also saddam and osama weren't they trained by our cia also lol? or given funds and armaments. Somebody want to give me a little brief history and stuff it would be greatly appreciated thanks....

-Devin

Hi Devin. I'm here to tell you what I know, since I have some background on this. I don't wanna comment on Al-Qaeda as an organization - just where the name has come from.

Al-Qaeda in Arabic simply means "the base". It may surprise you to know that baseball in Arabic is called "Kurat al Qaeda" (literally "base-ball"). Similarly a database in Arabic is called "Qaedat Bayanat".

Back when Osama was a volunteer in the Afghanistan, he kept a database of foreign fighters who passed through his office in Peshawar, in northern Pakistan. This office was sponsored and setup by the Saudi government under full knowledge and support from the United States and Pakistan.

Back then, Osama hadn't jumped into the fray himself. His "service office" (maktab al khadamat) as he called it was responsible for tracking fighters as they fight their way into Afghanistan, and inform their folks back home if they are killed, injured or captured. Once in a while it would help track down a fighter to deliver some family news to him, or allow a member of his family to find and meet with him.

Osama later joined the fight, but he always kept "the database". By the time the war ended, he was in possession of an impressive list indeed - the complete details of virtually every foreign fighter in that war. These fighters formed the core of what later became "Al-Qaeda" - and hence the name.

Osama called his group "Qaedat al Jihad" (the base of jihad) long before 9/11. It was never a traditional organization but more of a loose network of organizations. In fact, I like to compare it to the internet - not a network, but rather a network of networks.

It is my position that Al-Qaeda is real, it exists, and it has existed for a while. The fact that some people doubt its existence simply demonstrates its success at remaining elusive and formless.


Iyad
 
Hello I forgot where i've heard this but is it true our Cia just labled the mujahideen Al Qaeda after 9/11? If this is true are the CIA doing this to mask the fact that the US supported the freedom fighters in the late 80's to fight the soviets? Are they doing this to trick the American public by creating that name? I know there are plenty of educated Ron Paul supporters on these forums especially on foreign policy. I have another question why did the mujahideen become our enemies? they were our friends in the late 80's.... also saddam and osama weren't they trained by our cia also lol? or given funds and armaments. Somebody want to give me a little brief history and stuff it would be greatly appreciated thanks....

-Devin

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Hi Devin. I'm here to tell you what I know, since I have some background on this. I don't wanna comment on Al-Qaeda as an organization - just where the name has come from.

Can you comment on this explanation that has also been going around?

"Ana raicha Al Qaeda" is colloquial for "I'm going to the toilet". A very common and widespread use of the word "Al-Qaeda" in different Arab countries in the public language is for the toilet bowl. This name comes from the Arabic verb "Qa'ada" which mean "to sit", pertinently, on the "Toilet Bowl". In most Arabs homes there are two kinds of toilets: "Al-Qaeda" also called the "Hamam Franji" or foreign toilet, and "Hamam Arabi" or "Arab toilet" which is a hole in the ground. Lest we forget it, the potty used by small children is called "Ma Qa'adia" or "Little Qaeda".
 
Can you comment on this explanation that has also been going around? "Ana raicha Al Qaeda" is colloquial for "I'm going to the toilet".

"Qa'ada" means to sit - that's true, and "Al-Qaeda" comes from the same linguistic "root".

But I've never heard the word "Al-Qaeda" used in reference to the toilet - ever. If it is, I'd guess it would be in a North African dialect, but definitely nowhere in Saudi Arabia, Jordan, Egypt - countries where original Al-Qaeda members came/come from.

For the most part Arabic societies are very conscious about these things and would always use euphemisms, such as referring to the toilet as "the rest house", "the water room", etc.

Interestingly, in Jordan, the sentence quoted "Ana raiha Al Qaeda" (in context) would mean "I'm going to the living room". They call it the "sitting room" there.

IMHO, whoever came up with this explanation has a crappy sense of humor ;)


Iyad
 
I think the definition of Al Qaeda shifts around quite frequently to meet the needs of the elite.

Ya, there are networks of Muslims who hate the west and some of these rings want to commit terrorism. Some of them are bad people, and I'm sure some of them are good people and don't want to harm innocent people.

I believe that many of these terrorist rings are controlled by CIA/MI6/Mossad, even if the majority of members of these rings have no idea.

If you checkout the film, "Who Killed John O'neill?", they offer up the drug cartel position, that Al Qaeda is a west sponsored drug cartel primarily used to control the opium trade. They make it look like the opium trade is being carried out by Muslim Arabs (about 90% of opium comes from Afghanistan), but the profits are then funneled to western interests. This was shown recently when we found out that the brother of the installed puppet leader of Afghanistan, Mohammed Karzai, was actually in control of the opium trade in that country.

That also helps explain why there were so many Arabs taking flight training in the US before 9/11. They were actually drug runners. Atta was a drug runner and ring-leader. He did a shitload of cocaine and drank a lot. No way he was getting his 99 virgins, there's no way he killed himself for nothing. If he is dead, he was tricked into being killed. They probably promised him an island somewhere, and perhaps that is where he and Osama are. Who knows.
 
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