Airline system vax rebellion?

phill4paul said:
How long before the Biden Administration nationalizes airline pilots like the Air Traffic Controllers? How many military pilots are certified to fly the big jets?

$#@!s getting interesting. And interesting is not where you want to be, as the joke goes, Ancient Chinese curse "May you live in interesting times."
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The ATC guys are walking out too.
 
Occam's Banana said:
https://twitter.com/I_Kill_Art_Hoes/status/1447299133862199302
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That explanation seems like the most likely at this point.
 
Somebody ought to fill in the Southwest Airlines Pilots Association then:

When asked by CBS News if there was any chance the disruption could have been caused by pilots calling out sick over the company's vaccine mandate, Capt. Casey Murray, president of the Southwest Airlines Pilots Association, said that was not the case and that the airline's pilot sick rate for this weekend was "right in line with what was occurring this summer."

"So outside of air traffic control and weather, you point the blame squarely where?" CBS News correspondent Errol Barnett asked.

"Squarely on Southwest, I point to how they manage the network and how their I.T. also supports that network. Once a little hiccup occurs due to the internal processes, our pilots aren't getting to where they need to be. We've been sounding this alarm for about four years and have seen very little approach to correcting it," Murray said.
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American, United, Alaska, and Jet Blue all have vaccination mandates. Delta is requiring vaccinations or periodic testing. Are any of them suffering the same flight cancellations as Southwest?
 
Voluntarist said:
Are any of them suffering the same flight cancellations as Southwest?
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Southwest runs extraordinarily thin on extra crewmembers.

Between buyouts/retirements of senior captains and things like the "seasonal flu", a disaster has been in the works for years.

In a few more days, once everybody has been given legal rest, along with a healthy dose of incentives and threats, this "insurrection" will be over.

SW may have to pare down the schedule, for a few months, but the unclean will be purged and they will resume being 'murika's favorite airline.
 
Seems to be a Buttplug in the Transportation system..

Ships can't dock,, Planes don't fly, Ferry Boats and Trains all slowing d o w n .
 
Matt Collins said:
SWA CEO says they are not going to fire employees over this:

https://www.goodmorningamerica.com/news/video/southwest-ceo-speaks-canceled-flights-80532373
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Southwest Airlines CEO Says No Employees Will Be Fired Over Vaccine Mandate

https://amgreatness.com/2021/10/12/...employees-will-be-fired-over-vaccine-mandate/

By Debra Heine
October 12, 2021

During an interview with ABC News Tuesday, Gary Kelly, the CEO of Southwest Airlines, stated that no employees will be fired over the company’s vaccine mandate. However, the airline announced on October 4 that all 56,000 U.S. Southwest employees needed to get vaccinated against COVID-19 by November 24, or face termination.

The CEO also told ABC’s George Stephanopoulos that there was “no evidence” that any type of demonstration against the mandate had contributed to the massive service disruptions over the holiday weekend. Over 2,000 Southwest flights were cancelled, leaving tens of thousands of passengers stranded.

“There’s just no evidence of that,” Kelly said. “Our people are working very hard, they’re doing a great job, I’m very proud of them.”

He did acknowledge that the vaccine mandate is “very controversial,” and not something he wanted for his company.

“This is a government mandate, it’s a presidential order, and we’re doing our best to comply with that according to the deadlines that have been set,” Kelly said.

The CEO told employees last week that the airline had no choice but to comply with the regime’s vaccine mandate.

“Southwest Airlines is a federal contractor and we have no viable choice but to comply with the U.S. government mandate for employees to be vaccinated, and — like other airlines — we’re taking steps to comply,” Kelly said.

An executive order was issued last month requiring all federal employees to get vaccinated, but no executive order, or federal regulation has yet been issued for private companies. Joe Biden on September 9 unveiled his draconian plan to force all private businesses with more than 100 employees to make their workers get inoculated with the experimental COVID vaccines, or face weekly testing. A month later, no official guidance on the alleged mandate has been issued by the White House, the Occupational Safety and Health Administration (OSHA), or the Department of Labor.

During his interview on ABC Tuesday, Kelly stated that Southwest would not be terminating any employees who refuse the injections.

“We’re not going to fire any employees over this. We’re urging all of our employees to get vaccinated. If they can’t get vaccinated, we’re urging them to seek an accommodation, so we’ll do everything we can to support our people here,” he said.

A company-wide guidance, obtained by American Greatness, specifically stated that failure to comply with the new vaccine policy would result in termination.

The guidance below went out to all Southwest employees on October 4:





Kelly reportedly told employees last week that the provisions for medical and religious exemptions are “are very limited.”

The CEO told Stephanopoulos that absenteeism at Southwest has been high lately because of COVID and quarantines.

“It’s just a more difficult working environment out there, and we’re doing everything we can to serve our customers well, and also take very good care of our employees,” he said.

A Southwest Airlines official admitted on Monday that staffing shortages played a role in the service disruptions over the weekend.

The carrier initially blamed air traffic control issues and weather for thousands of flight cancelations.

“On Friday evening, the airline ended the day with numerous cancellations, primarily created by weather and other external constraints, which left aircraft and crews out of pre-planned positions to operate our schedule on Saturday,” Southwest said in a statement.

“Unfortunately, the out-of-place aircraft and continued strain on our crew resources created additional cancelations across our point-to-point network that cascaded throughout the weekend and into Monday.”

Southwest Chief Operating Officer Mike Van de Ven reportedly acknowledged in a memo to employees on Monday that the company “is still not where we need to be on staffing, and in particular with flight crews.”

A Southwest pilot told American Greatness that the staff shortages were an “organic and decentralized” reaction to the carrier’s vaccine mandate.

The tyrannical mandate, he explained, erased all of the good will pilots and other conservative employees had felt toward their company, resulting in many of them calling in sick, and not signing up for overtime to help the airline fulfill the increase in flights typically seen during a holiday weekend.

Van de Ven told staff that the carrier is “continuing to evaluate our fourth quarter flight schedules, and we’re taking a serious look at flight levels to ensure that our flying aligns with the staffing needed to operate within this more complicated COVID environment.”

Southwest declined to comment further, but TWU Local 556, which represents the carrier’s flight attendants, late Friday told members that the airline has reversed course on plans to add an additional 720 crew assignments to their schedules for September.

Southwest pilots’ union on Thursday said it was considering pickets at U.S. airports over Thanksgiving and Christmas to protest tightly packed schedules, a lack of hotels and food options, and other issues. Flight attendants this week raised similar issues.

“We will not be following our traditional staffing models as we reevaluate where we are in October, November, and December,” Van de Ven wrote. “You come first.″

American Greatness asked the anonymous Southwest insider if any more staffing disruptions could be expected in the coming days and weeks.

“Man, that’s the million dollar question,” the pilot replied. “The last weekend was so organic and decentralized.”

He added: “I would say as the Nov 24 deadline approaches the likelihood of people choosing to take care of their families when being faced with job termination increases.”
 
Anti Federalist said:
Southwest Airlines CEO Says No Employees Will Be Fired Over Vaccine Mandate

https://amgreatness.com/2021/10/12/...employees-will-be-fired-over-vaccine-mandate/

By Debra Heine
October 12, 2021

During an interview with ABC News Tuesday, Gary Kelly, the CEO of Southwest Airlines, stated that no employees will be fired over the company’s vaccine mandate. However, the airline announced on October 4 that all 56,000 U.S. Southwest employees needed to get vaccinated against COVID-19 by November 24, or face termination.

The CEO also told ABC’s George Stephanopoulos that there was “no evidence” that any type of demonstration against the mandate had contributed to the massive service disruptions over the holiday weekend. Over 2,000 Southwest flights were cancelled, leaving tens of thousands of passengers stranded.

“There’s just no evidence of that,” Kelly said. “Our people are working very hard, they’re doing a great job, I’m very proud of them.”

He did acknowledge that the vaccine mandate is “very controversial,” and not something he wanted for his company.

“This is a government mandate, it’s a presidential order, and we’re doing our best to comply with that according to the deadlines that have been set,” Kelly said.

The CEO told employees last week that the airline had no choice but to comply with the regime’s vaccine mandate.

“Southwest Airlines is a federal contractor and we have no viable choice but to comply with the U.S. government mandate for employees to be vaccinated, and — like other airlines — we’re taking steps to comply,” Kelly said.

An executive order was issued last month requiring all federal employees to get vaccinated, but no executive order, or federal regulation has yet been issued for private companies. Joe Biden on September 9 unveiled his draconian plan to force all private businesses with more than 100 employees to make their workers get inoculated with the experimental COVID vaccines, or face weekly testing. A month later, no official guidance on the alleged mandate has been issued by the White House, the Occupational Safety and Health Administration (OSHA), or the Department of Labor.

During his interview on ABC Tuesday, Kelly stated that Southwest would not be terminating any employees who refuse the injections.

“We’re not going to fire any employees over this. We’re urging all of our employees to get vaccinated. If they can’t get vaccinated, we’re urging them to seek an accommodation, so we’ll do everything we can to support our people here,” he said.

A company-wide guidance, obtained by American Greatness, specifically stated that failure to comply with the new vaccine policy would result in termination.

The guidance below went out to all Southwest employees on October 4:





Kelly reportedly told employees last week that the provisions for medical and religious exemptions are “are very limited.”

The CEO told Stephanopoulos that absenteeism at Southwest has been high lately because of COVID and quarantines.

“It’s just a more difficult working environment out there, and we’re doing everything we can to serve our customers well, and also take very good care of our employees,” he said.

A Southwest Airlines official admitted on Monday that staffing shortages played a role in the service disruptions over the weekend.

The carrier initially blamed air traffic control issues and weather for thousands of flight cancelations.

“On Friday evening, the airline ended the day with numerous cancellations, primarily created by weather and other external constraints, which left aircraft and crews out of pre-planned positions to operate our schedule on Saturday,” Southwest said in a statement.

“Unfortunately, the out-of-place aircraft and continued strain on our crew resources created additional cancelations across our point-to-point network that cascaded throughout the weekend and into Monday.”

Southwest Chief Operating Officer Mike Van de Ven reportedly acknowledged in a memo to employees on Monday that the company “is still not where we need to be on staffing, and in particular with flight crews.”

A Southwest pilot told American Greatness that the staff shortages were an “organic and decentralized” reaction to the carrier’s vaccine mandate.

The tyrannical mandate, he explained, erased all of the good will pilots and other conservative employees had felt toward their company, resulting in many of them calling in sick, and not signing up for overtime to help the airline fulfill the increase in flights typically seen during a holiday weekend.

Van de Ven told staff that the carrier is “continuing to evaluate our fourth quarter flight schedules, and we’re taking a serious look at flight levels to ensure that our flying aligns with the staffing needed to operate within this more complicated COVID environment.”

Southwest declined to comment further, but TWU Local 556, which represents the carrier’s flight attendants, late Friday told members that the airline has reversed course on plans to add an additional 720 crew assignments to their schedules for September.

Southwest pilots’ union on Thursday said it was considering pickets at U.S. airports over Thanksgiving and Christmas to protest tightly packed schedules, a lack of hotels and food options, and other issues. Flight attendants this week raised similar issues.

“We will not be following our traditional staffing models as we reevaluate where we are in October, November, and December,” Van de Ven wrote. “You come first.″

American Greatness asked the anonymous Southwest insider if any more staffing disruptions could be expected in the coming days and weeks.

“Man, that’s the million dollar question,” the pilot replied. “The last weekend was so organic and decentralized.”

He added: “I would say as the Nov 24 deadline approaches the likelihood of people choosing to take care of their families when being faced with job termination increases.”
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They won't be fired over refusing the jab, but they will be fired if they refuse the jab.

That clarifies things greatly.
 
pcosmar said:
Seems to be a Buttplug in the Transportation system..

Ships can't dock,, Planes don't fly, Ferry Boats and Trains all slowing d o w n .
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Looks that way. November 24th is the Wednesday before Thanksgiving. That's by far the busiest day in the country for air travel. There's no airline executive that stupid to threaten to fire a large group of their employees exactly by this day. It comes from the top.
 
TheTexan said:
They won't be fired over refusing the jab, but they will be fired if they refuse the jab.
That clarifies things greatly.
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Are you confusing "Fired" with "Terminated"?
They won't be fired over refusing the jab; but if they're not vaccinated against COVID-19 by November 24, they'll face TERMINATION.
 
pcosmar said:
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I'm left wondering whether that particular aircraft flew or was grounded that day - because if it flew then you can't really point to it being part of the shutdown caused by pilot "sick-out" action. And how does a pilot who's called in sick drape a flag out a cockpit window?

I'm betting that sparebulb nailed it:

sparebulb said:
Southwest runs extraordinarily thin on extra crewmembers.

Between buyouts/retirements of senior captains and things like the "seasonal flu", a disaster has been in the works for years.

In a few more days, once everybody has been given legal rest, along with a healthy dose of incentives and threats, this "insurrection" will be over.

SW may have to pare down the schedule, for a few months, but the unclean will be purged and they will resume being 'murika's favorite airline.
Click to expand...
 
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Southwest Drops Plan to Get Rid of Unvaccinated Staff by December Deadline

https://www.breitbart.com/politics/...d-of-unvaccinated-staff-by-december-deadline/

JORDAN DIXON-HAMILTON 19 Oct 2021

Southwest Airlines dropped a plan to put unvaccinated workers with pending exemptions on unpaid leave after a December 8 deadline following protests by their employees.

“The employee will continue to work, while following all COVID mask and distancing guidelines applicable to their position, until the accommodation has been processed,” according to an internal note obtained by CNBC written by Southwest’s Senior Vice President of Operations and Hospitality Steve Goldberg and Vice President and Chief People Officer Julie Weber.

Last week, Southwest Airlines canceled hundreds of flights in what reportedly was an employee “sick out,” although the company blamed the weather for the cancelations. Following that, Southwest Airlines employees were captured on video protesting the vaccination requirement outside of the airlines’ Texas headquarters.
 
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