AIPAC, Neocons and the state of Israel.

[Ponce]

Does anyone knows (for sure) where Ron Paul stands in regards to those at the heading of this thread?.........

Is he going to make the Israel Lobby register as foreign agents?

Has he said anything about continuing our "aid" to the state of Isral?

Is he going to clean house and kick out all the Neocons controlling the country?

All this may sound "silly" or "stupid" to some of you but in order to fix the problem in our current government we must address the root of the problem because anything else would be only a Band-Aid.

I have said that I do support Ron Paul but after doing a search I havent really seen anything about what I have talked about.

Thanks in advanced........... Ponce

 

[propanes]

In a pre-war interview with Bill Moyers from 2002 he talks about the influence of the lobby. Aside from not listening too much to special interests I don't know what he would do.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OenXhQvgYwo

 

[Ponce]

Well, neither am I not a anti-Semite but I am anti-Zoinist-Israeli.

Why do you guys think we are in so much trouble now???

Unless Ron Paul reafirmed his convictions as the president of the US by doing something about them then all that he will be doing is to place a Band-Aid over the problem and also to ignore the elephant in the living room.

We need a president who will be for American first, second and third and not for the state of israel.

Remember folks that no matter how hard they try to make you believe that you are a anti-Semite for being anti-Zionist that that's not the case.....the Zionist movement is a political party and no part of the Semite Jews, as a matter of fact the Semite Jews ARE anti-Zionists.

 

[Broadlighter]

This is part of that old argument - if you are not for me, you are against me. It leaves no room for neutrality.

With a Ron Paul presidency, there will be more money floating around in the market economy. That means it will be easier for Jews who want to support Israel with their money to do so. It's not anti-semitic in any sense of the word. If anything it empowers individual Jews to do more to support causes they care most about.

 

[Ponce]

Even though I do care about the billions of our tax payers money going to them every year for free I am more concern about THE POWER that we are giving them.

We have way to many public servants who are for the state of Israel first and for the US second, even if they were born in the US.

Three percent of those people does not make the United States and is time to recover that which thanks to them we have lost....... Christmas, pledge of alliance in the classrooms, prayers (if they want to do so), the vote to send our boys to die overseas, peace with the Arabs (they are also Semites) and a lot more.

By the way, I am a Marrano......a Marrano (in Spanish it means pig) is a Spanish Jew that went to Spain from Egypt long ago, I am not a practicing Jew in any way form or shape and two of my sixteens great grand dads were killed for being Jews.

You can put me down for what I am saying, but I will always get up.

"When the truth comes into the light, the lies will hide in the dark"... Ponce

 

[LibertyBelle]

Ponce, RP does not believe in giving gov't aid to or having an alliance with any country, but promotes trade and friendship with all. llepard's links explain RP's position. He is definitely not pro-Zionist, only pro-American. RP will stand his ground, nothing to worry about.

 

[Ponce]

Thanks for your words friends but I always say that nothing happens till it happens.

In the news......."The state of Israel ""aproves"" the sale of special weapons to Saudi Arabia after making a ""deal"" with the US".......... why should we make a deal with them??? We are letting a spot of fly shit on the wall tell us what to do or what not to do.

The influence that they have on the US government is overwhelming, I don't blame the Israelis for acting this way no more than I blame a mosquito that lands on you and sucks your blood.

Ron Paul don't need the "Jewish" votes in the US in order to win but the American votes.......... we will not fight for the Jewish votes but will fight for the American votes.

Is time to walk the streets once again and being able to say "MERRY CHRISTMAS" without being afraid of being "incorrect" or going to jail.

Is time for Americans to control America once again.......

 

[LibertyBelle]

I agree that there is a huge problem with all of the AIPAC supporting members of Congress. Until RP becomes prez, and more people vote in Constitutionalists and people of integrity/courage to Congress, there will be a battle. No doubt about it. Rome wasn't built in a day.

Changing the dumb-downed Israeli support of many Jewish and Christian Americans is a tough one, too. Massive brainwashing in synagogues and churches, they have been led to put Israel first and not America. This is a serious problem. If people want to donate to Israel on their own, fine, but not use my money for their religious and other beliefs.

As for prayer and Christmas celebration in public schools and other domains, RP believes as per the Constitution, that this is an issue for local governments. Each area should decide the status quo when concerning religious based programs and celebrations regarding public government institutions. In the past, if you didn't like what was presented in an area, you could live somewhere that did represent your beliefs and values. This way, the local governments have to answer to the people and parents of the area, and not to the Feds. Just like RP said...."Roe versus Wade ruined it for everyone." If the local area decides on no group prayer in schools, than they can, and vice versa. When it becomes Federal, nobody has a choice. Of course forced participation in prayer is out of the question....as well as prohibiting individual prayer.

 

[Ponce]

I don't see Christmas as something religious, for I have no religion, but as somehing nice in order to bring people together........ It wasen't so long ago that even the Jews just to say to you "Merry Christmas" but now thanks to the Zionists taking power of the US government we are forced to do as they say.

One thing that "those" people are doing is separating the general population in order to control them better......we have seen this happen in Iraq, Afgha, Palestine and other places because they know that in unite there is strength.

Separate the people and have them fight each other and half the war is won, do you really believe that it was the Iraqis themselves who iniciated the fight against each other?.....BULL...... outside forces initiated the initial fight by being the instigators, as it was in Gaza and in Lebanon.

To the older American generation, remember what the past was like and what the US used to mean not only to us but also to those that were always dreaming of coming to this great land.....teach your childrens what it was like.

Freedom does not come for free, you must FIGHT for it.

PS: When was the last time that you saw any Arab movies like....Ali Baba and the Forties Thief or Aladin and the Magic Lamp...... because the Zionists control the media and the movies they want to separete us from everything that will make us think of the Arabs as being good people......... You ever seen a movie where a Zionist Jews was the bad guy???

 

[Ponce]

Ok people tell me this, if the state of Israel (the Zionists) don't control the US government then WHY all those going for the seat at the White House have a need to go to the state of Israel???????.

Fred Thompson is going next week in order to pay his "respects" and kiss the "holy" ass.....upssssss sorry, meant to say Holy WALL.

Like Sharon told Perez "Don't worry we control America and they know it"

I say that Fred Thompson is the only thing standing between Ron Paul and the White house.........and the only way that RP will win will be with an overwhelming numbers of votes from "We The People".

"For the future of a free America, vote Ron Paul in 2008"... Ponce

 

[Ponce]

I know that many of you agreed with me and yet you say nothing, why?

As long as the flag of the state of Israel doesn't fly alongside the American flag (as it did whith the Nazi flag at one time) to me that means that we are still free and with chance of getting rid of the poison that is infecting out nation.

"NO USRael"....... I say to you.

With the blood of those now long gone we took over this land and with your votes we must now keep it..........

However.......I see a dark cloud in our future, a dark cloud that like a mantle of tears will embrace us all and unles we do what is right it then will come to be true.

Do I sound like crazy guy to you?......to myself I DO, but only because I have seen a lot and I know what doing nothing can do.....there are at this time a lot of new camps being build for your future and unless we act now against those who are a danger to this nation must of all will someday be there.

We need someone in the White Whous who will not be a straw president and who will be for the Amererican people...... will Ron Paul be the one? I for one am willing to give him a chance=======but only for as long as he doesn't go to the state of Israel to "Pay his respects. Ron Paul should go to the Veteran Hospitals and give his respect to those who were wounded because of the bad president that we now have.

False votes are bought with Israeli influence but true votes comes from what we know is the right thing to do, no ammount of money can buy the truth for the truth speaks for itself.

By the way folks..... no apologies for my bad English and grammar..... I am from Cuba and doing the best that I can, to me what counts the most is that you know that I am talking from the heart.

If you feel that I am right then SAY SO and if you feel tha I am wrong then also SAY SO.

 

[Ponce]

You say "We stick to the policy prescription and keep the hate part out"...... to me that sound more like "Don't muddy the water keep calm and talk only about peace".

A beautiful lake has always calm waters but at the bottom there is always mud and sometimes when you dive you will get stuck in the mud and die.

The good and bad must be brought to the surface otherwise there will always be doubts and I don't want any doubts about Ron Paul, no man can have two masters and specially one who might be the future leader of this nation.

I don't have to tell you the powerfull hold that the Zionists has on this country (by way of IPAC) and that most of everything that we do has to do with them, we have killed over half a million Iraqis because of them and now we want the Iraqis to fix the mess that we made......and of course we stole their cash and now want to steal their oil.

Does anyone here REALLY THINK (if you are capable of thinking) that Iran is a danger to the US????????? that we should invade them in order to stop them from sending missile with nuclear warhead to the US??????? ......you may say "Yes but they said that they want to WIPE the state of Israel of the map" well, the translation was wrong and it was made by the Israelis themselves.

Evry time there is a civil war somewhere either we go in person or send the UN and yet the Palestinians are in a death camp and WE THE PEOPLE say nothing, they have no food, water, hospitals, schools, jobs... and that's ok with us?.

The Israelis steal their land in order to build their settlements with OUR MONEY and that's ok with you?

Anyway, I am old and tired and pissed off....... don't give up your guns because some day you might need it, remember that all of those now at war overseas will not be coming back to be "farmers" but that many of them will be working for mercenaries companies that some day will tell you what to do, like in New Orleans????? keep your powder dry.

The WWW is a great place to find the truth (the only place) do it yourselves and you will see.

Ron Paul is our only and last chance to save this land but I have a feeling that we will have King George before the next elections.

 

[RJB]

Throwing around words like "Israel first," "Zionist," etc. is so anti-Paul. He is against foreign aid PERIOD. I think the word rascist gets thrown in when people only mention cutting off aid to Israel. We are about individual, not collective rights.

And from what I know Dr. Paul has only 2 masters: God who has given all men liberty, and the constitution.

 

[Ponce]

Remember amigos that being a Zionist is not being part of a religion or even a class of people but to be part of a political party.

Some people call me anti Semite, to me being a anti Semite means being also against the Arabs for you must remember that both the Jews and the Muslims came from the same father so that they were brothers, the Zionist has invested millions of dollars in order to brainwash the average person into thinking that to be against them is to be also against the Jews of the Bible, as far as I am concern the word Nazi and Zionist occupies the same space.

I could tell you a lot about the Zionists as being the founders of the Communist party and how five of the seven initial poliburo members were Jews, but....... do your own search on the WWW and you will see, I won't even guide you but want you to learn the same way that I did.

Is not what I have learned about those people but what I CAN FEEL....and believe me when I say that "they are evil"

To me the Zionists are foreing enemies to be fought as we would any other.

By the way, Senator Lieberman is once again screaming that we must attack Iran because they are about to kill all the Israelis.

Expect for the Israelis to go into Gaza and start killing men, woman and children in a mass scale and to kick out those that remain alive out of the land.....bombs and missiles don't know the difference between the flesh of the young and the flesh of a fighter.

"To be ready is not"... Ponce

PS: Do you know about the oil wells in Gaza??? oh yes there are.

 

[wildcatlh]

Prefaced by saying that I'm Jewish, but I agree with Dr. Paul WRT foreign aid to all other nations, Israel or otherwise...

Yes, there's a difference between being anti-zionist and anti-semetic, but you're toeing that line. When you cross into the "control of the media" and the communist party stuff, you start to get much closer to "Protocols of the Elders of Zion" territory.

 

[tsoldrin]

Israel would be very wise to study the 'blowback' theory... eventually, it's horrible foreign policy is going to come back to bite them in the ass in a very big way.

 

[Ponce]

Prefaced by saying that I'm Jewish, but I agree with Dr. Paul WRT foreign aid to all other nations, Israel or otherwise...

Yes, there's a difference between being anti-zionist and anti-semetic, but you're toeing that line. When you cross into the "control of the media" and the communist party stuff, you start to get much closer to "Protocols of the Elders of Zion" territory.

You say "but you're toeing that line"....... I am not because the line is very well define as you have have done when you use the "Protocols of the Elders" as an example, the "real" Jews or Jews of the Bible have nothing to do with Protocols wich were made AFTER 1872........ I believe that the Jews of the Bible have been around a little bit longer than that.

AND YES, the Zionists do control the news, movies and so on and were the founders of the Communist party......do a search on the WWW.

 

[Ponce]

The state of Israel is getting ready to invade Gaza and their minister (for Israel) is here in the states asking for more money.......which of course he will get.

In the news today, every day more vets livin on the streets , more families sleeping in their cars, more jobs being lost......but is ok, we still have more money for the Zionistsl

Those people like to brag as to how dumb the Arabs are and how many Noble prizes they have beacause they are sooooooo smart, and yet, they have to beg for money from us....they are right, we are DUMB for giving it to them.

AND YOU GUYS ASKED ME WHY I AM SO PISSED OFF AT THEM? OI VEY.

 

[Ponce]

Looks to me like you people want to ignored the elephant in the living room either because you don't think that you can do anything about it or becacuse you really don't have the needed information to believe what I am saying.

Ron Paul will be OUR LAST CHANCE to stop the Zionist-Neocons, if we don't do it now then ....... well, why go on.

The America that we have now is NOTHING like the America that we have now, I for one am making plans to leave the country is Ron Paul looses his bid for the white house...... as the old saying goes "Love it or leave it", I would still love it but my life and wellbeing is more important.

But who knows....... maybe bullets will take the place of votes if Bush becomes King George before the next elections and in a way that would be good because it will unite the true patriots in America.

What I really don't understand is how can you guys just sit back and do nothing when 78% of the country is against Bush...... in the "bananas" republics in Latin America we have the guts to do something when the government is against us, why aren't you?....... baaaaaaa baaaaaaa baaaaaaaa the sheeps answered back at me.

"When the government is not for the people it is then the right of the people to take over the government, after all ......the people are the government"... Ponce

 

[Ponce]

Todays news, Bush is giving more money to the state of Israel but I don't know how much....... more vets on the streets (I should gather all of them and form my own army)..... the US and the state of Israel are dividing the Palestinian people (divide and conquer?).

Over 460 reads on this thread and only about 5 comments???...... what's wrong with you people, do I have to take you by the hand and show you what to do?, no wonder the Zionist Neocons are taking over the US with no problem.

It is said that the children of today are the hope of tomorrow (I said that) well, we are in deep trouble.

Played some Texas Holdem Them today and won $150.00...... as usual half is going to the Palestinians by way of "Interpal" in the UK (yes, is legal).