Agorism: Beat the State, show a profit, all in a non-violent way.

[gilliganscorner]

if you're interested in Agorism, two blogs to read are

http://fskrealityguide.blogspot.com

http://nothirdsolution.com

http://fskrealityguide.blogspot.com

Awesome, awesome blog. I cannot tell you how much FSK has influenced my thinking. He is the one that turned me onto agorism. Most of us on this forum are aware of the corrupt monetary system we are enslaved to...FSK teaches what to DO about it. I read it every day. If you want logic to hit you like an 8 foot 2x4 in the center of the forehead and you'll stand there blinking, this blog is for you.

http://nothirdsolution.com

Another well written blog, although I am only started reading it recently. David Z makes very cogent arguments as well.

 

[me3]

If you really want to pump up the volume, try http://nostate.com

That blog is pretty radical and doesn't hold back.

 

[BarryDonegan]

these are some really good blogs.

 

[gilliganscorner]

Bump for awareness after we pay for the current Wall Street bailout through inflation.

 

[mediahasyou]

Agorism is a personal favorite to achieve a libertarian society. As was it used by the colonials in 1776.

 

[gilliganscorner]

I understand and sympathize with RP supporters trying to change things through the current corrupt system, but I feel it is pointless. No, I am not a troll, so don't bother.

Agorism is something we can do for ourselves without waiting for a political messiah (as much as I like RP) to do for ourselves. Hell, we can even continue to support him, but as he said, it is time to take responsibility for ourselves.

 

[danda]

This concept is interesting. Do y'all think it is worth setting up a dedicated auction site?

Or has someone already done it?

If not, I could do so in relatively short order. Indeed I have already identified the software, which offers a very ebay-esque experience. I would probably set it up similar to ebay except:
* all auctions would be denominated in hard metal currencies
* seller can accept buyer's payment (or not) via any of the online metal exchanges, or physical metal.
* auction fees a bit lower than ebay, but paid using one or more of the online metals exchanges.

So I am basically asking if there is interest. Or if it already exists. Or if it wouldn't fly for some other reason?

If 10 or more folks PM me saying they would be interesting in selling products/services on such a site, and no significant obstacles present themselves, then I plan to forge ahead, and offer up a preview site without fees. OTOH, if there is no interest, why bother?

 

[gilliganscorner]

This concept is interesting. Do y'all think it is worth setting up a dedicated auction site?

Or has someone already done it?

If not, I could do so in relatively short order. Indeed I have already identified the software, which offers a very ebay-esque experience. I would probably set it up similar to ebay except:
* all auctions would be denominated in hard metal currencies
* seller can accept buyer's payment (or not) via any of the online metal exchanges, or physical metal.
* auction fees a bit lower than ebay, but paid using one or more of the online metals exchanges.

So I am basically asking if there is interest. Or if it already exists. Or if it wouldn't fly for some other reason?

If 10 or more folks PM me saying they would be interesting in selling products/services on such a site, and no significant obstacles present themselves, then I plan to forge ahead, and offer up a preview site without fees. OTOH, if there is no interest, why bother?

Thanks for your interest!

The flaw in setting up an on-line auction house is that it is centralized (i.e. you have it registered somewhere, the server(s) are sitting in some physical location) making it a target for the State to violently crack down on it.

This is EXACTLY what happened with DGCs (Digital Gold Currency sites) like egold.com and goldmoney.com. If you reach a certain critical mass, the State will arrest the owners, seize records, and waterboard the participants as you are not allowed to trade outside the taxation/inflation system. You are not allowed to escape slavery.

Social Engineer has requested help in developing his site to identify potential trading partners. I like SC's site as it identifies who might be willing to trade off the books for sound currency. His site holds no transaction information the State might use to crack down on the participants.

The idea is:

1) Go to his site and look for businesses and people that are offering the goods and/or services you want.
2) Contact these people, preferably face to face and say, "Do you want to do a deal in sound money?". I am hoping that some of these people will hire folks who are willing to be paid in sound money, outside of the red market taxation/inflation slave system.
3) Keep records private on pen and paper even!

When the red market collapses (yes...it's when, not IF), folks participating in that network will have trusted trading partners to work with post-collapse. OK, even if the red market does not collapse, taxation/inflation will continue to rise, stealing your productivity. Why not keep it for yourself anyway. Either scenario, you win.

Danda, my unsolicited advice is to get in touch with Social Engineer and ask how you can help. Of course you are free to ignore me

 

[mediahasyou]

Eventually, servers should be moved to multiple foreign countries to avoid state coercion. Decentralization sounds good.


Agorism for Dummies:
http://agorism.info/

http://agorism.info/faq/start

http://flag.blackened.net/daver/anarchism/nlm/nlm5.html

 

[danda]

I, and my company, are already in a foreign country.

Even if that were not the case, I don't see where this would have the same legal issues as the DGC providers. This site would just be auctions, and could even be denominated in dollars, but the actual payments would usually be made via one of the DGCs, which would be for the seller to decide which one(s) to accept.

Am I wrong?

 

[mediahasyou]

I, and my company, are already in a foreign country.

Even if that were not the case, I don't see where this would have the same legal issues as the DGC providers. This site would just be auctions, and could even be denominated in dollars, but the actual payments would usually be made via one of the DGCs, which would be for the seller to decide which one(s) to accept.

Am I wrong?

The government will combat all Agorism whether it is illegal or legal. Legal will soon become illegal. For Agorism is aimed at the abolition of the state, the state will act in all ways hold down it's people from freedom. Freedom and the state cannot survive together...One is born when the other dies.

 

[RevolutionSD]

Thumbs up for this post!
Agorism is fantastic. Let's do this!

 

[RevolutionSD]

The government will combat all Agorism whether it is illegal or legal. Legal will soon become illegal. For Agorism is aimed at the abolition of the state, the state will act in all ways hold down it's people from freedom. Freedom and the state cannot survive together...One is born when the other dies.

I agree 100%. We must dismantle the state before we see freedom. Any ideas?

 

[gilliganscorner]

I was wondering when Paul supporters would come around It really isn't all that hard when you think about it...No ego intended at all.

 

[gilliganscorner]

I, and my company, are already in a foreign country.

Even if that were not the case, I don't see where this would have the same legal issues as the DGC providers. This site would just be auctions, and could even be denominated in dollars, but the actual payments would usually be made via one of the DGCs, which would be for the seller to decide which one(s) to accept.

Am I wrong?

Recall the Terrorist Taxation Agencies (TTAs) going after Ebay to disclose their records, initially for users selling over $1000/month. Ebay caved. All TTA's will cooperate and work in tandem together nationally or multi-nationally.

What you are proposing as well is, well, yet another Ebay.

Ebay used to allow DGC payments prior to their acquisition of PayPal. Since they had a vested interest in creating a monopoly on payment systems. If you review their accepted payments policy, you can see specifically they bless/exclude (note that they neglected to put PayPal on their permitted list ) the following payment systems:

Payment Services permitted on eBay: Allpay.net, cash2india, CertaPay, Checkfree.com, hyperwallet.com, Moneybookers.com, Nochex.com, Ozpay.biz, Paymate.com.au, Propay.com, XOOM

Payment Services not permitted on eBay: AlertPay.com, anypay.com, AuctionChex.com, BillPay.ie, ecount.com, cardserviceinternational.com, CCAvenue, ecount, e-gold, eHotPay.com, ePassporte.com, EuroGiro, FastCash.com, Google Checkout, gcash, GearPay, Goldmoney.com, graphcard.com, greenzap.com, ikobo.com, Liberty Dollars, Moneygram.com, neteller.com, Netpay.com, paychest.com, payingfast.com, Payko.com, paypay, Postepay, Qchex.com, rupay.com, sendmoneyorder.com, stamps , Stormpay, wmtransfer.com, xcoin.com

If you set up that auction site, it would only be a matter of time before your local TTA came for you, if they deem it "to big to continue".

Again, my suggestion is to contact Social Engineer to see if you can help him out in some way. Social Engineer's site could help identify potential agorist trading partners without housing transaction information. A "trustworthiness" ranking system might be helpful here in terms of the actors integrity ratings, but that is about it. There would be no "Trusted Agorist Partner" checkmark

 

[gilliganscorner]

We ready for this yet?

 

[danda]

We ready for this yet?

People seemed pretty negative about my proposal and I didn't get a single "Yes, I would use that service", so i haven't spent any time on it.

 

[QueenB4Liberty]

bump

 

[mediahasyou]

Statist or not, liberty lovers must practice Agorism.

For when the American colonists attacked the English State through Agorism, England removed taxation.

 

[gilliganscorner]

Statist or not, liberty lovers must practice Agorism.

For when the American colonists attacked the English State through Agorism, England removed taxation.

It is the only non violent mechanism that stands a non-zero chance of success.