Agenda is depopulation ?

[Nate-ForLiberty]

what are their needs and how would people stand in their way?

You seem to know a lot, so I'll try to get details out of you. I'm totally curious what the hell you're talking about.

If you get everything all at once you'll most likely reject it, like I did. It's tough to take in. But the gist of it is, there is a very very small group of people who are playing the people of the world off of each other. They do this to keep us distracted from their real motives. They are quickly developing the technology they need to

1) wipe 99% of human beings off the face of the earth while not destroying the natural resources of the planet. (this is why they won't engage in a nuclear holocaust, but might detonate 1 or 2 just to raise fear across the globe)

2) it will be a virus of some sort that does #1, therefore they need the cure for themselves.

3) automate with machines natural resource extraction, resource refinement, and finally end product production. Everything that humans do to fulfill their needs they want to use machines to accomplish (this is a means to another end). Remember, since there will only be a few thousand of these people, we aren't talking about massive global production

4) They need biotechnology that will unnaturally extend their life until they reach the point where they are no longer subject to death.

They see themselves as gods and the rest of us as animals. The way you view cattle is how they see us. We literally disgust them. And they disgust themselves for being human which is why they want to "transcend" the body. Of course what we are talking about is separating the mind from the physical body.

This is seriously F*#ked up s**t. And I don't even think what they want to do is possible. But that doesn't matter because one major step for them is eradicating us. And they absolutely have the ability to do that. When you start researching these "families" and understanding what they intend to do, nothing will surprise you anymore.

The thing that keeps me in the fight is the realization that these sheep that they despise have the ability to stop them and then live in peace with one another.

The human body can be in perfect health, but if it gets a touch of cancer on the brain the whole body will die. We are engaging in a very delicate do or die surgery to remove the cancer and save the body.

If we can convince people to reject the use of force against one another we will have taken these psychopaths' mightiest weapon away from them.

 

[onlyrp]

So you think an organization that was inspired by a woman who loathed black people and called them subhuman and undesirables is a good thing?

Also please clarify your sarcasm what "people do not exist?" A global cabal willing to annihilate 85 to 90% of the worlds population to invoke their World Government?

I have already posted excerpts from a book written by John. P. Holdren to two co-writers called Eco-Science go back an read some of it: http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showthread.php?339241-Agenda-is-depopulation/page6

I believe that an organization's actions should be judged by the actions and results, not by how it was started. So I answered you, Planned Parenthood does help people and made people's lives better. Abortion increases the quality of life for people who either cannot afford to take care of their child or do not wish to transfer the child's burden on to other people, such as taxpayers. If you're going to tell me children are not a burden, let's see you adopt some.

It wasn't sarcasm, you generalized all people who are opposed to reproduction or in favor of depopulation as somehow with the same agenda, same goal, same reasons. Not the case. Just because somebody doesn't favor exploding the population growth does not mean he favors depopulating by 90%. You can keep ignoring reality if you wish, but facts are that the world is full of 3rd world country starvers who don't need more children and the world has benefited near nothing from their existence. If you're going to give me that 'who are we to judge and decide' crap, don't bother, facts are what they are, what I advocate as a solution is another question.

 

[onlyrp]

This is seriously F*#ked up s**t. And I don't even think what they want to do is possible. But that doesn't matter because one major step for them is eradicating us. And they absolutely have the ability to do that. When you start researching these "families" and understanding what they intend to do, nothing will surprise you anymore.

first you assume you know who "they" are , and what "they want".
So don't get ahead of yourself. I wouldn't be surprised if there's a few weirdos in this world that have stupid fantasies, but I'm under no illusion they'll get what they want, nor do I believe they're the only people who favor depopulation.

 

[Nate-ForLiberty]

first you assume you know who "they" are , and what "they want".
So don't get ahead of yourself. I wouldn't be surprised if there's a few weirdos in this world that have stupid fantasies, but I'm under no illusion they'll get what they want, nor do I believe they're the only people who favor depopulation.

If you get everything all at once you'll most likely reject it, like I did. It's tough to take in.

That's ok. Just keep asking questions.

 

[papitosabe]

Does everyone who talks about a plot for a New World Order agree with Alex Jones that the agenda is depopulation ?



http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x-CrNlilZho&feature=player_embedded

looks like you're playing your card right...

 

[donnay]

I believe that an organization's actions should be judged by the actions and results, not by how it was started. So I answered you, Planned Parenthood does help people and made people's lives better. Abortion increases the quality of life for people who either cannot afford to take care of their child or do not wish to transfer the child's burden on to other people, such as taxpayers. If you're going to tell me children are not a burden, let's see you adopt some.

It wasn't sarcasm, you generalized all people who are opposed to reproduction or in favor of depopulation as somehow with the same agenda, same goal, same reasons. Not the case. Just because somebody doesn't favor exploding the population growth does not mean he favors depopulating by 90%. You can keep ignoring reality if you wish, but facts are that the world is full of 3rd world country starvers who don't need more children and the world has benefited near nothing from their existence. If you're going to give me that 'who are we to judge and decide' crap, don't bother, facts are what they are, what I advocate as a solution is another question.

Abortion increases the quality of life for whom--certainly not that baby, wouldn't you say? But of course that decision is made by someone on the outside playing God. Also to the contrary, children are not a burden, I reject that very notion! Children are a gift, a precious gift! If people are not gracious enough to accept that gift they are too selfish and too self-absorbed to see it--another goal of the globalist to harden people against humanity. It is family that made this country strong. Which is why the very goal of these globalist was to tear apart the family. If you tear apart to core foundation of a country then you can tear apart the country as a whole.

Also I would like to add, Hitler was a big eugenicist, and is now regarded as a psychopath in many history books. However, if you look at his backers (people of wealth), the same families behind him are still in power today. Stalin and Mao too. These families played and pay for both sides to keep instability around the globe.

Just remember the influences of these elite globalists are entrenched in many governments. They also 'think' they know what is best for you and your family and they do think you are nothing more than useless eaters--they have absolutely no regard for humanity. It is these governments that are keeping the people down, not the people themselves, in many of these cases in the third world places.

You really ought to watch the documentary 'End Game' it might help you gain some insight.

 

[onlyrp]

Abortion increases the quality of life for whom--certainly not that baby, wouldn't you say? But of course that decision is made by someone on the outside playing God. Also to the contrary, children are not a burden, I reject that very notion! Children are a gift, a precious gift! If people are not gracious enough to accept that gift they are too selfish and too self-absorbed to see it--another goal of the globalist to harden people against humanity. It is family that made this country strong. Which is why the very goal of these globalist was to tear apart the family. If you tear apart to core foundation of a country then you can tear apart the country as a whole.

Also I would like to add, Hitler was a big eugenicist, and is now regarded as a psychopath in many history books. However, if you look at his backers (people of wealth), the same families behind him are still in power today. Stalin and Mao too. These families played and pay for both sides to keep instability around the globe.

Just remember the influences of these elite globalists are entrenched in many governments. They also 'think' they know what is best for you and your family and they do think you are nothing more than useless eaters--they have absolutely no regard for humanity. It is these governments that are keeping the people down, not the people themselves, in many of these cases in the third world places.

You really ought to watch the documentary 'End Game' it might help you gain some insight.

Deciding not to burden yourself and your family, and in worse cases, the city you live in, hardworking taxpayers , is playing God? Well so be it, I call it taking responsibility. "children are not a burden, I reject that very notion!" Oh yeah? How many do you have? Can gifts never become burdens? "If people are not gracious enough to accept that gift they are too selfish and too self-absorbed to see it" Ok, so if you don't accept the gracious gifts from God by adopting or having the arbitrary number of children I say, then you're selfish and self-absorbed, sound right?

I bet you can't put a dollar amount of the "gift" you claim a child is. But I can easily place a COST dollar amount on every child. That's the difference, I'm honest enough to evaluate with objectivity what a child is, whereas you're appealing to emotion without regard to cost, ignoring the facts of life altogether. This is no different than a socialist who wants people to be equal, well fed, ...and not thinking about the burden and cost to other people.

"It is family that made this country strong." I contest that, you are thinking family made this country because family was traditionally the only way people reproduced, and only people who could afford to reproduce were the stronger and well to do families, and those who do, utilized children as labor. All that today has changed, not all for the better, but there are some perks. A simple example could be that when a person doesn't need to worry about "going home to see wife and kids" he is a greater asset to work, or battle. This is why slaves made good labor, now, I know you'll tell me the NWO globalists want us as slaves, but before that, people will become slaves and servants to their country to fight whatever supernational force there is (you're the one who brought up tearing down a country).

Yes, I am well aware Hitler was a eugenicist. Stalin was very wrong about genetics, he employed Lysenko, a Lamarckian pseudo-scientist. I am not sure about Mao. I've seen End Game, doesn't mean I automatically believe it.

By the way, are you an egalitarian? Do YOU believe you know better than other people what's best for them? If not, who are you to say their lives are not better with abortion?

 

[donnay]

Deciding not to burden yourself and your family, and in worse cases, the city you live in, hardworking taxpayers , is playing God? Well so be it, I call it taking responsibility. "children are not a burden, I reject that very notion!" Oh yeah? How many do you have?

The government is your burden, not the people who have families. I have four biological children and raised two adopted children. They were never a burden on me, as a matter of fact they always made me reflect how fortunate and blessed I am to have them all. My family are not only a blessing to me, but a complete joy. I have raise 6 productive human beings, who are intelligent, and think for themselves. All six are Ron Paul supporters only four of the six are old enough to vote for Ron Paul!

"It is family that made this country strong." I contest that, you are thinking family made this country because family was traditionally the only way people reproduced, and only people who could afford to reproduce were the stronger and well to do families, and those who do, utilized children as labor.

Really? I come from a big Italian family, where my mother stay home and took care of the home and children. My father was not well-to-do. We got by and lived relatively comfortable--we never needed for nothing because we weren't brainwashed as today's children and parents are to keep up with the Joneses. I didn't need all the useless trinkets and garbage that kids have today. Kids today have no windmills to tilt and are bored silly and lack a lot of creativity because they have it all and their parents are in debt up to their eyeballs! I also had designated chores and labors to do to pitch in and help the family, and we did them and I can say I have no regrets! I started working at eleven years old. I finished high school and went to college.

A simple example could be that when a person doesn't need to worry about "going home to see wife and kids" he is a greater asset to work, or battle.

A great asset for the crony capitalist that are making millions off the sweat of his brow. Our society is filled with collectivism which was all implemented and done by design. It's clear you, too, have fell for it--which is really unfortunate.


Edit to add:

By the way, are you an egalitarian?

No, I do not like labels. I am person who loves liberty and cherishes it, and wants limited government. I do not profess to know more than anyone else, but I do think for myself. If you premeditatedly kill a human being, it's murder any way you try to window dress it.

 

[onlyrp]

The government is your burden, not the people who have families. I have four biological children and raised two adopted children. They were never a burden on me, as a matter of fact they always made me reflect how fortunate and blessed I am to have them all. My family are not only a blessing to me, but a complete joy. I have raise 6 productive human beings, who are intelligent, and think for themselves. All six are Ron Paul supporters only four of the six are old enough to vote for Ron Paul!

Really? I come from a big Italian family, where my mother stay home and took care of the home and children. My father was not well-to-do. We got by and lived relatively comfortable--we never needed for nothing because we weren't brainwashed as today's children and parents are to keep up with the Joneses. I didn't need all the useless trinkets and garbage that kids have today. Kids today have no windmills to tilt and are bored silly and lack a lot of creativity because they have it all and their parents are in debt up to their eyeballs! I also had designated chores and labors to do to pitch in and help the family, and we did them and I can say I have no regrets! I started working at eleven years old. I finished high school and went to college.

A great asset for the crony capitalist that are making millions off the sweat of his brow. Our society is filled with collectivism which was all implemented and done by design. It's clear you, too, have fell for it--which is really unfortunate.

I didn't say people who have families are a burden, I said people who have families when they shouldnt, or people who have children when they don't have a family, and people who have children they can't or don't want to pay for themselves, THOSE people are the burden.

Why did you stop at 6? Is 9 going to be a burden? I know 6 is already 3 times what most people have, but why not 24? And what if you or somebody FAILED to raise their children as productive humans, would that still not be a burden on the rest of us? Where do criminals come from? Oh yeah, there's no such thing as a criminal , people who are in prison are somebody's precious children, not a burden!

"we never needed for nothing because we weren't brainwashed as today's children and parents are to keep up with the Joneses." I have to say, I admire that. I really do. Now, how big was the family, could it have been any bigger? This is not a trick question, at some point you have to admit there's too many children for 2 parents to take care of, and luckily most people are smart enough to be responsible, as your family did.

"A great asset for the crony capitalist", so I misunderstood you, what did you mean by "make a country strong" if not referring to military power, labor supply? Are you seriously just telling me the mythos, ethos and morale?

 

[donnay]

I didn't say people who have families are a burden, I said people who have families when they shouldnt, or people who have children when they don't have a family, and people who have children they can't or don't want to pay for themselves, THOSE people are the burden.

The system enticed them to be a burden! Dependency has made this country weak. By my saying the family helped make this country strong--had nothing to do with military power but based on true family values (not the phony fake Christian ones politicians and certain clergy spew), charity and love.

In today's times, it's hard to have a huge family because government makes that task burdensome. They are taxing people right into poverty and forcing people to be dependent upon government. True story-- my father's father passed away when he was four. My grandmother was penniless with three boys to raise on her own. She knew how to sew and took a job in a sweatshop (that she was very grateful to get) and worked 18 hours a day for this foreign carpetbagger, it paid the bills and clothed her boys! Even with the burden on being poor she would give people the shirt off her back--she always smiled too! That same year, she splurged a little and got a real Christmas tree, this tree became dry and caught on fire. Burned down the house nearly to the ground. She couldn't afford insurance. Her brother (she had 2 brothers and 9 sisters), he was a fire lieutenant and he and his fellow firemen raised funds and rebuilt her house. In six months she had her house once again. She didn't demand government to help her in any way! This is the way strong families worked then. Those family values were passed down to me as well.

 

[pcgame]

This documentary tells what the globalists want to do. The globalists don't like each other. They work together to fight us so that later on they can turn on each other.

TechnoCalyps

Part 1: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OcSM...xt=C3761f4bUDOEgsToPDskLyXhSXM3DLaOdbEzFZgfHW

Part 2: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iWP7yFxQsxw&feature=related

Part 3: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0RJXPKo1O4Q&feature=related

 

[onlyrp]

The system enticed them to be a burden! Dependency has made this country weak. By my saying the family helped make this country strong--had nothing to do with military power but based on true family values (not the phony fake Christian ones politicians and certain clergy spew), charity and love.

In today's times, it's hard to have a huge family because government makes that task burdensome. They are taxing people right into poverty and forcing people to be dependent upon government. True story-- my father's father passed away when he was four. My grandmother was penniless with three boys to raise on her own. She knew how to sew and took a job in a sweatshop (that she was very grateful to get) and worked 18 hours a day for this foreign carpetbagger, it paid the bills and clothed her boys! Even with the burden on being poor she would give people the shirt off her back--she always smiled too! That same year, she splurged a little and got a real Christmas tree, this tree became dry and caught on fire. Burned down the house nearly to the ground. She couldn't afford insurance. Her brother (she had 2 brothers and 9 sisters), he was a fire lieutenant and he and his fellow firemen raised funds and rebuilt her house. In six months she had her house once again. She didn't demand government to help her in any way! This is the way strong families worked then. Those family values were passed down to me as well.

Sounds like you're saying that children and family ARE a burden, albeit not per se and not by their own virtue.

 

[donnay]

Sounds like you're saying that children and family ARE a burden, albeit not per se and not by their own virtue.

Geez, don't know how you glean that out of what I said. The system is set up now, by design, to make more people dependent, not independent. The story I stated above showed how more people were independent and not dependent on government. Could the firemen today rebuild a house without government permission? You know all the restrictions, codes and permits one has to get just to be able to install a toilet in their home.

Bottom line is government has become so intrusive and so big that your community cannot come together and help rebuild your home without all the special permits and tax exemptions and any other intrusiveness they require people to have. I mean just look at what happened to the people in Louisiana after Katrina. Government was not the help, they were the obstacles for people being able to get back to their lives again. Nevertheless, it was the people, not government who helped more people after Katrina then government did.

 

[onlyrp]

Geez, don't know how you glean that out of what I said. The system is set up now, by design, to make more people dependent, not independent. The story I stated above showed how more people were independent and not dependent on government. Could the firemen today rebuild a house without government permission? You know all the restrictions, codes and permits one has to get just to be able to install a toilet in their home.

Bottom line is government has become so intrusive and so big that your community cannot come together and help rebuild your home without all the special permits and tax exemptions and any other intrusiveness they require people to have. I mean just look at what happened to the people in Louisiana after Katrina. Government was not the help, they were the obstacles for people being able to get back to their lives again. Nevertheless, it was the people, not government who helped more people after Katrina then government did.

let's back up a little, why did you stop at 6 children, not 24?

Answer this without using the words : limit, time, constraints, cost, burden, sleep, resources, quality, and I'll take you seriously.

 

[donnay]

let's back up a little, why did you stop at 6 children, not 24?

Answer this without using the words : limit, time, constraints, cost, burden, sleep, resources, quality, and I'll take you seriously.

What is it you do not get? Of course the answer to that question would included constraints and burden by government; property tax alone, becomes harder and harder for an American family to meet each year. Income tax is just as bad. That's with people who live within their means, mind you.

It is clear to me, you do not understand how the powers that be manipulate, coerce, entice and brainwash people. Once you understand that, and step out of the box, so to speak, you can see this manipulation much more clearly and how most of this tyranny is done by design. Divide and conquer it's been their playbook since the 15th century. History has a way of repeating itself...there are always been psychopaths that want to rule over people.

 

[onlyrp]

What is it you do not get? Of course the answer to that question would included constraints and burden by government; property tax alone, becomes harder and harder for an American family to meet each year. Income tax is just as bad. That's with people who live within their means, mind you.

"Geez, don't know how you glean that out of what I said. "

So I got it right the first time.

 

[onlyrp]

What is it you do not get? Of course the answer to that question would included constraints and burden by government; property tax alone, becomes harder and harder for an American family to meet each year. Income tax is just as bad. That's with people who live within their means, mind you.

It is clear to me, you do not understand how the powers that be manipulate, coerce, entice and brainwash people. Once you understand that, and step out of the box, so to speak, you can see this manipulation much more clearly and how most of this tyranny is done by design. Divide and conquer it's been their playbook since the 15th century. History has a way of repeating itself...there are always been psychopaths that want to rule over people.

"Divide and conquer" is a play? So then unity and collectivism must be great!

 

[Andee]

If you will do a search with these initials, HAARP, perhaps it will help you..this is a lethal effort going on and has been for decades. to minimize the production of safe foods! Would suggest you read Dr. Mercola and Dr. Rima Laidbows articles for meds research and make our own decision...the conspiracy therories, I believe, you are going to find them more real than conspiracy...the Agenda forbids us to save foods, that is store foods for more than, I believe seven days, and they can take it at any time in a crisis...hmmmthis is an EO from a few years back that never got wiped off the slate...you can find it in search. The Agenda does a lot..it is 40 chapters long and calls for the annihalation of humans to the point of only leaving 500,000,000 world wide. Obama and Holdren have spoken to this as recently as 2008 after Holdren became a Czar.

 

[Andee]

The mission of this administration seems to be twofold: Bring each and every American to their knees, one way or the other...no jobs, long enough there...welfare, food stamps, more government dependency; more taxation without representation, more come onto welfare; when we get enough on welfare, living on welfare, then they become slaves to the government...ever notice how the media thinks they need to think for you, that they think you are not capable of living your own lives, thinking t hings out, etc. If you cannot think and get from a to b and living on welfare..they have you right where they want you...at their beck and call...sheeple is what most Americans are and sheeple do not make good decisions..this is the fight that Ron has...if the sheeple were capable of thinking or working on thinking, reaching out, then they would understand that Ron is about the only hope, beyond God, to save our nation. We need to rid this nation of welfare and get back to the family s ticking together, working together and being neighbors, we help out when we can and with what we have...churches helping...living off the dole is a way and is sinking this nation...it rests at about 47% now on the dole...WHEW.and who pays for this?

 

[onlyrp]

The mission of this administration seems to be twofold: Bring each and every American to their knees, one way or the other...no jobs, long enough there...welfare, food stamps, more government dependency; more taxation without representation, more come onto welfare; when we get enough on welfare, living on welfare, then they become slaves to the government...ever notice how the media thinks they need to think for you, that they think you are not capable of living your own lives, thinking t hings out, etc. If you cannot think and get from a to b and living on welfare..they have you right where they want you...at their beck and call...sheeple is what most Americans are and sheeple do not make good decisions..this is the fight that Ron has...if the sheeple were capable of thinking or working on thinking, reaching out, then they would understand that Ron is about the only hope, beyond God, to save our nation. We need to rid this nation of welfare and get back to the family s ticking together, working together and being neighbors, we help out when we can and with what we have...churches helping...living off the dole is a way and is sinking this nation...it rests at about 47% now on the dole...WHEW.and who pays for this?

start here, is it easier or harder to bring Americans to their knees if they are single, or they have family and kids?