After watching this video, anyone still wants to cut funding for NASA?

[erowe1]

If NASA goes, our ability to study and learn about the earth will take a giant step backwards.

Hogwash.

This is the typical defense of everything the government does. Some good thing now happens as a result of some government program. Therefore, if we eliminated that government program, the world would be like it is now, except without that good thing. So, if we eliminated NASA, all that capital and labor and brainpower that went into it would simply disappear, rather than be allocated in an even better way in response to millions and millions of individual arrangements made between free people pursuant to their own best interests, rather than pursuant to the central management of government bureaucrats and politicians.

If the government took over shopping malls, people like you would pop up a generation from now insisting that government shopping malls never be defunded because of all the good things about shopping malls that wouldn't exist any more if the government didn't make it happen.

 

[erowe1]

Keep in mind that everyone seems to think that nasa gets a shit ton of money.... cutting nasa will give us enough money to run the rest of the government for about a week.

Gee, when you put it that way....

Why not just say, "Cutting NASA would only provide enough funding for each of us to slide down a razor blade into a pool of iodine one time."?

 

[erowe1]

If we don't get off this rock we are destined to nuke ourselves into oblivion.

So, let me get this straight.

The state has weapons that can make the world's population cower before them, and you want to be able to escape that threat, so you look to the state to give you the way to do that?

 

[Elwar]

I'm fine with NASA as long as it isn't funded by any money taken by force.

 

[erowe1]

Obama's war on NASA is another example of his war against America federal government exceptionalism. He does not want us feel we are the federal government is special anymore, exceptional, just ordinary human beings, thereby worthyunworthy of totalitarian rule. He truly despises America the federal government and what we stand it stands for. He is trying to erase our its identity, history, and heritage. Why do you think he blames america the federal government first, goes on world apology tours, and bad mouths everyone who does not agree with his Americanfederal government-hating speeches and agenda.

Fixed it.

If only it were true. Obama would be awesome.

 

[RyanRSheets]

I just want to know where the hell NASA spends all the money we give them. Billions of dollars a year and they haven't been to Mars yet? I mean, it's just rocket science.

 

[Elwar]

The federal government has as much business funding NASA as it does NASCAR.

 

[pcosmar]

NASA was created to employ the Nazi Scientists we rescued from legal prosecution.
It was used to showcase our Ballistic Missile Program.

Disposable one time use rockets are the absolute worst way to get into space.

De-fund it. close it. And remove restrictions on private space development.

When I was a child, I talked like a child, I thought like a child, I reasoned like a child. When I became a man, I put childish ways behind me.

I followed every launch from Mercury through Apollo. Glued to the TV. I had wanted to be in the Space program. In the mid 70s I realized that there was no "Space Exploration" but only military exploitation.

As I read the "Weekly Reader" as a child, we were supposed to have 20 shuttles and a space station by the 80s. This is 2011. And I'm grown now.

 

[devil21]

Good Grief dude, you got problems!!!!

American exceptionalism is nonsense to you?
Obamas Blame America for everything is nothing but drivel?
There is nothing special about America but our ability to print money?
You can't believe Im a Ron Paul supporter because I disagree with you?

Given what you just said I am not at all suprised. Hmmm...you ignore facts, resort to personal attacks, make claims that your some how the gatekeeper on issues, and others don't belong here because they don't agree with you. Can we get a mod to delete this Liberal/Progressive spy from out boards plz!!!!

P.S For the record...I DO BELIEVE AMERICA IS SPECIAL, SO WHY DON'T YOU STOP ATTACKING PEOPLE WHO BELIEVE THAT WAY, MAYBE YOU DON'T BELONG HERE, WHAT THE HELL ARE YOU TRYING TO ACCOMPLISH ANYWAY

Just callin it like I see it. All that exceptionalism nonsense is neo-con spew meant to help Americans feel like it's "ok" to do whatever the hell we want around the world and not care. Kill people, steal resources, etc. It's ok because Americans are "special". America used to be special. It's not anymore. Americans are about as far from special as we can get now. We print money, buy off dictators and supply the world with weapons that they kill each other with, usually based on conflicts that our CIA quietly started.

So how about instead of broad nonsense statements about "Blame America first" and "American exceptionalism" (which we hear those terms a lot out of the mouths of neo-cons, so you automatically sound like one), how about you go ahead and explain how you're so much better than people in other countries, solely because of where you were born?

 

[jmdrake]

Extraordinary: Discovery Launch Seen from Air

http://news.discovery.com/space/extraordinary-discovery-launch-from-a-passenger-jet-110226.html

Well after watching the video bellow I'm sure NASA is not necessary.

 

[jmdrake]

I'm fine with NASA as long as it isn't funded by any money taken by force.

Yep. Make NASA have pledge drives just like PBS.

 

[Acala]

Nasa

I grew up being enthralled by aerospace advances. When I was really little, the x-15 was about the coolest thing on the planet. Becasue it was FAST! And it went HIGH!
And it looked cool. And it WAS cool. And the guys who flew it were cool.

Then came NASA and the space program. And things just got cooler. The engineering was awesome. The human courage was awesome. The photos were awesome. The promise for the future was awesome. I loved it. And still do. NASA has done some amazing, inspiring, educational things.

But it is not within the powers delegated to the Federal government by the Constitution and it is not an appropriate reason to take money from people at gunpoint. Kill it.

Kill it and from its ashes will rise something better.

 

[Acala]

All that exceptionalism nonsense is neo-con spew meant to help Americans feel like it's "ok" to do whatever the hell we want around the world and not care. Kill people, steal resources, etc. It's ok because Americans are "special". America used to be special. It's not anymore. Americans are about as far from special as we can get now. We print money, buy off dictators and supply the world with weapons that they kill each other with, usually based on conflicts that our CIA quietly started.

So how about instead of broad nonsense statements about "Blame America first" and "American exceptionalism" (which we hear those terms a lot out of the mouths of neo-cons, so you automatically sound like one), how about you go ahead and explain how you're so much better than people in other countries, solely because of where you were born?

This^

Exactly how closely do we need to follow in the footsteps of the Nazis before we get it? When politicians start trying to rouse the public with empty praise for how "uber" they once were and could be again if only you will elect Newt or some other demagogue, be afraid. Be VERY f&*^%*g afraid.

But this country once WAS special. It was special because the people believed in liberty and tried to build a government that would protect it. And we were special exactly, and only, to the extent we remained a bastion of freedom in an unfree world. And as soon as we got the idea that wealth, or might, or government is what made us special, the America that WAS special died.

So remember, liberty=exceptional. Everything else, including a space program built at gunpoint, is just more of the same crap.

 

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[Mark37snj]

Just callin it like I see it. All that exceptionalism nonsense is neo-con spew meant to help Americans feel like it's "ok" to do whatever the hell we want around the world and not care. Kill people, steal resources, etc. It's ok because Americans are "special". America used to be special. It's not anymore. Americans are about as far from special as we can get now. We print money, buy off dictators and supply the world with weapons that they kill each other with, usually based on conflicts that our CIA quietly started.

So how about instead of broad nonsense statements about "Blame America first" and "American exceptionalism" (which we hear those terms a lot out of the mouths of neo-cons, so you automatically sound like one), how about you go ahead and explain how you're so much better than people in other countries, solely because of where you were born?

You don't have to be better than everyone else to be exceptional. And just because there are some very serious problems with the way our govement has been operating does not mean you can paint us with that broad brush you were just complaining about to paint all of america, what we have accomplished, what we stand for, the true evils we have fought against, and the good we have done for our fellow man, and just say we are not special. Our goverment is not special, but are goverments representative of their people? So are all Iranians just like their leader? Of course not, same applies with americans. The american people are exceptional, not all but alot, but not our goverment. I guess your incapable of seeing it like that. Just looking for an excuse to bad mouth everyone. Like I said, you got issues.

I wonder how much money americans donate to charities. Lets see just how unexceptional american citizens really are. http://www.america.gov/st/washfile-english/2007/June/200706261522251CJsamohT0.8012354.html

Washington -- Americans increased their charitable donations significantly in 2006 to more than $295 billion -- a record, according to a study released June 25 by the Giving USA Foundation, which reports on charitable contributions.

The overwhelming majority of this money was donated by individuals, not corporations or foundations, according to the chairman of Giving USA, Richard Jolly. Donations from individuals, including bequests, accounted for 83.3 percent of total giving last year, or $245.8 billion, he told USINFO.

Its a NeoCon conspiracy, mass propaganda and brainwashing to control americans to get them to donate money to the needy. All so americans can be deluded into thinking its ok to blah blah blah. LMFAO!!!!!!!!!!!!

"All that exceptionalism nonsense is neo-con spew meant to help Americans feel like it's "ok" to do whatever the hell we want around the world and not care. " I do believe this is one of the primary complaints and a major reason for the rise of the Tea Party. Americans are against alot of what you are complaining about, but they were just not fast enough to meet with your approval. So you just condemn and bad mouth everyone...WOW

 

[erowe1]

You don't have to be better than everyone else to be exceptional. And just because there are some very serious problems with the way our govement has been operating does not mean you can paint us with that broad brush you were just complaining about to paint all of america, what we have accomplished, what we stand for, the true evils we have fought against, and the good we have done for our fellow man, and just say we are not special. Our goverment is not special, but are goverments representative of their people? So are all Iranians just like their leader? Of course not, same applies with americans. The american people are exceptional, not all but alot, but not our goverment. I guess your incapable of seeing it like that. Just looking for an excuse to bad mouth everyone. Like I said, you got issues.

I wonder how much money americans donate to charities. Lets see just how unexceptional american citizens really are. http://www.america.gov/st/washfile-english/2007/June/200706261522251CJsamohT0.8012354.html

Washington -- Americans increased their charitable donations significantly in 2006 to more than $295 billion -- a record, according to a study released June 25 by the Giving USA Foundation, which reports on charitable contributions.

The overwhelming majority of this money was donated by individuals, not corporations or foundations, according to the chairman of Giving USA, Richard Jolly. Donations from individuals, including bequests, accounted for 83.3 percent of total giving last year, or $245.8 billion, he told USINFO.

Its a NeoCon conspiracy, mass propaganda and brainwashing to control americans to get them to donate money to the needy. All so americans can be deluded into thinking its ok to blah blah blah. LMFAO!!!!!!!!!!!!

"All that exceptionalism nonsense is neo-con spew meant to help Americans feel like it's "ok" to do whatever the hell we want around the world and not care. " I do believe this is one of the primary complaints and a major reason for the rise of the Tea Party. Americans are against alot of what you are complaining about, but they were just not fast enough to meet with your approval. So you just condemn and bad mouth everyone...WOW

I'm confused. What kind of American exceptionalism are you for? Exceptionalism on the part of the American people, or exceptionalism on the part of the single greatest enemy the American people have, the federal government (i.e. what NASA belongs to). It can't be both. To be for one is to be against the other.

 

[Mark37snj]

I'm confused. What kind of American exceptionalism are you for? Exceptionalism on the part of the American people, or exceptionalism on the part of the single greatest enemy the American people have, the federal government (i.e. what NASA belongs to). It can't be both. To be for one is to be against the other.

I don't hold everything our goverment does at fault or should be done away with. I don't hold everybody who works for the goverment at fault or should be fired. I hold those who are responsible, the ones in charge. There are good people at NASA, there are bad people at NASA. There were good programs and bad programs. There was money wasted and money well spent. You can't just say everything NASA has done has been a waste or everyone who has worked for them are unexceptional people. Your either this-or that is not applicable here, only a Sith speaks in absolutes. There were exceptional NASA programs and people, and unexceptional NASA programs and people. Everything our goverment touches has been corrupted, no doubt about that. But that does not mean EVERYTHING is bad, or corrupted, or unexceptional. The NeoCons would love nothing more then endless wars partially enabled by a society that thinks itself so rightous and exceptional that whatever we are doing must be rightous. What I am saying is America and Americans have good reasons to feel that they/we are exceptional and that the NeoCons are trying to hijack it for their own purpose. But just because they are trying to use our pride against us to comit attrocities is no reason to go around and say we have no reason to be proud of what we are. If this was the case the Tea Party would not exist. Guns don't kill people, people kill people...pride doesn't inflict injustice, the inflictors inflict injustice. If you want to ban our pride because the NeoCons are trying to use it to harm people, then why not ban guns because the criminals are trying to use them to harm people.

American exceptionalism and pride is justified, truthful, and beneficial. It can also be manipulated, harmful, and dangerous. But I will be damned if I'm gona give up my gun because others are trying to use them to harm people, and I will be damned if I'm gona give up my American pride because others are trying to use it to harm people.

 

[Agorism]

hell yes we ned to cut it.

 

[tangent4ronpaul]

No - we still need NASA, and I'm not going to rehash why. Wh have allreay had several marathon threads on the topic.

Very cool vid of the launch!

 

[Kotin]

of course I still want to cut funding to NASA... what? are you saying that the private sector couldnt do this??



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