after listening to Michael Savage tonite, the tipping point has happened, and we won.

[Ninja Homer]

People still are living in dreamland. They don't understand the cause and effect of what got us into this situation. I just talked to someone tonight who still thinks socialized medicine is the way to go. I heard a long, drawn out story, about a woman who had 3 kids, 2 jobs, whose husband had left and did not have health insurance, because she was part-time. The mean 'ol companies did not offer health care to part-timers.

It's almost like we need to have a schematic that shows the cause-effect relationships of how we got to where we are today, for example with health care. The goal would be to have a diagram that showed how government intervention and corporatism are at the root cause of medical costs being so sky high. Then, another diagram perhaps that shows how the outcome would be different by removing that intervention. In the end showing how the woman and her kids would be much better off by getting government and its insidious relationships, out of health care. It needs to be very simple and to the point, so anyone could understand it.

I had the opposite experience tonight. I went to a kind of Monday night football gathering, where there were 5 other people that I've talked to about Ron Paul in the past. They've all been apathetic in the past, and didn't feel that there was that urgent of a problem, and weren't really interested in changing anything.

I didn't even bring up politics... they all started asking me what Ron Paul had to say about the bailout, how we can take back our freedom, how we can change things, etc. We kind of watched the game, but mostly we talked politics all night, and these are Vikings fans watching a Monday night Vikings game... they aren't usually distracted from their game.

The bailout changed things for a lot of people, and they are waking up from their apathy. All 5 of them agreed that they can no longer vote for either of the 2 major parties, and 2 of them said they wanted to write in Ron Paul (I recommended they look into Baldwin, because a write in for Ron Paul probably won't even be counted, but it's their vote and they can do what they want). All 5 of them also told me they will be voting for Dean Barkley for senate, who is an independent candidate endorsed by Ventura, running against Norm Coleman and Al Franken (and Barkley is doing well in the polls!).

Things are changing faster than I thought possible. Not just in the economy, but in the general view of politics as well. People who were once willing to settle for the status quo are now realizing what this government has taken from them, and they are more and more willing to step up and take back what's theirs. I may have planted the idea in their heads long ago, but tonight it didn't take any persuasion from me. They came to their decisions on their own.

 

[BarryDonegan]

the neocons failed machiavelli.

 

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The other day I was listening to Savage, and he asked himself out loud: "why do we have military bases all over the world?" and "are we doomed like Rome?"

To here this guy, who is a great radio host (and by that I mean strictly entertaining) but two or three years ago he was ultra-militaristic and now he's starting come around little by little.

 

[Eric21ND]

Isn't Savage the guy that would go out of his way to belittle Ron Paul? I get right wing radio personalities mixed up sometimes, but if its the guy I'm thinking of he's an enormous douche bag.

 

[RJB]

Savage says anything for ratings. Tomorrow he'll say the exact opposite.

 

[FindLiberty]

...every one of those guys, vomiting from the sugar rush from all the kool aid, calling it disgusted with bush, mccain, and obama.

sweet

 

[moostraks]

Isn't Savage the guy that would go out of his way to belittle Ron Paul? I get right wing radio personalities mixed up sometimes, but if its the guy I'm thinking of he's an enormous douche bag.

Yep that's him. He was uber derogatory about Paul because he is very pro-Israel/anti-Iran and he feels we should intervene in the middle east at all costs. Until they understand our foreign policy is directly related to the instability of the economy it is a waste to go much further. They have been so indoctrinated with fear that it will be a hard road before they give up on being a military super power.

Funny when I heard Ron Paul on Beck a week ago you could hear the exhaustion with trying to discuss this factor with him(Beck) because he just doesn't get it. Beck's response was we need to keep our military spread across the world and invest in alternative energy and all our problems will be solved:
unemployment,energy needs, etc..Dr.Paul graciously let it go probably because it has to get worse before most people really understand what a mess we are in and start fighting tptb.

 

[gilliganscorner]

Yeah I wish more msm hosts were talking about real things.

Today I heard Hannity saying that maybe the economy is crashing because everyone on wall street thinks obama is going to be elected and raise taxes. Specifically the capital gains tax.

Now first off this is a ridiculous notion to begin with. I highly doubt any invester is thinking about this. And they call us the conspiracy theorists lol.

Secondly, WHO THE HELL IS GOING TO HAVE GAINS WITH THE MARKET LIKE THIS. People will be writing off losses for christ sake.

I'd in MSM in order of in the know to complete cluelessness it has to go:

beck
savage
rush
hannity/quinn and rose

I don't really care for any of them except when beck has on someone decent.

I think MSMs greatest contribution to society would be to go out of business.

 

[freelance]

Socialized medicine does work very well in most of the world though. It's probably the one thing I can let slide.

We live in a country where they add fluoride to the water and mandate vaccines with thimerisol. Are you really willing to put your health into the hands of socialized medicine? If our country were completely socialized and we each got to pick one thing that we buy on the open market (I know, I know, it's not possible), I would choose to take care of my own health.

Socialized medicine gives them the power of life and death over each and every one of us.

 

[moostraks]

He actually said that the statue of liberty was raped by insiders in both parties, including bush, and that these cronies have done much more to harm liberty and americanism than Bin Ladin ever could.


every one of those guys, vomiting from the sugar rush from all the kool aid, calling it disgusted with Bush, McCain, and Obama.

Glenn Beck had an Austrian econ, raise interest rates fest on his show... we won't necessarily win the presidential election this year, but America is back, we have nothing to worry about.

lets take our lumps in the form of hyperinflation, get in BBnT, and get to saving money and doing the right thing.

make sure you go to your meetup groups and make your fone calls like a good american, protest when something is wrong, and never stop again, not even if its not an election year.

we are behaving like America again, if we sustain it, america will be back to tip top shape in a decade. stop being a paranoid maniac about bank runs and martial law and just do your responsible citizen stuff and we're going to be in good shape soon.

lets focus on voting the chumps out of office, and organizing, so next round we do even better.

MMhhmmm....So kind of like we won on the bailout bill??? How about how we were able to say anything at the republican convention about Ron Paul?(You know just a month ago)? How about how we were bulldozed when we tried to get delegates by their terms to even go to the rnc? We are far from a tipping point on political control.

Savage is a marginalized talk show host who has ruined his voice with his crappy comments about autistic children so a majority of America would dismiss anything that comes out of his mouth now. MSM pushed through the bailout bill by insisting its importance in doing something to solve the "crisis". Crying foul after the fact is too little too late. Cnn waited until the day after its passage to explain inflation to its viewing public and how the bailout bill will adversely affect you....that's rich!!!

 

[georgiaboy]

I sometimes wonder if the stupidity he displays is "shtick" or for real.

If it's for real, I wonder who dresses him in the morning.

I think it's shtick, or more aptly, pandering.

He used to be an independent thinker, years ago. Now he's a shill. sad to see a soul wither.

 

[kahless]

We have not won anything. There is a large percentage of the population that are completely ignorant on the issues and a subset within that which will always be ignorant.

They vote according to these guidelines

1. Base their vote not on issues but vote the opposite of the party in power every 4 years thinking that will improve things.

2. Take news reporting and commentary from the MSM as gospel.

3. Take the word of news entertainment talk show hosts such as Hannity, O'Rielly, Olbermann and Maddow as gospel and vote accordingly.

4. Base their vote solely cultural or racial aspects. Such as minority groups believing they must vote Democrat or voters regardless of ethnicity voting for Obama simply because he is black.

5. Hollywood media, Hollyword actors, MTV, Comedy Central (i.e. Jon Stewart), morning radio, Letterman, Leno.

6. Winning team mentality or lesser of two evils mentality. Feel they most vote Democrat or Republican regardless of whether the party or the candidate are what is best for the country.

7. Those that do awaken will not vote or are usually too late in the game. They decide when it is too late to finally vote for Ron Paul by planning even to write him in not realizing that such action will not be counted. This rather than support a candidate who is actually running for President.

Since the people will largely remain uneducated on the issues they will continue to vote accordingly and ultimately seal the destruction of this country. As a result the continuing dissatisfaction will sow the seeds of various separatist and revolutionary movements.

 

[The Good Doctor]

You forgot O'reilly.

Yeah I wish more msm hosts were talking about real things.

Today I heard Hannity saying that maybe the economy is crashing because everyone on wall street thinks obama is going to be elected and raise taxes. Specifically the capital gains tax.

Now first off this is a ridiculous notion to begin with. I highly doubt any invester is thinking about this. And they call us the conspiracy theorists lol.

Secondly, WHO THE HELL IS GOING TO HAVE GAINS WITH THE MARKET LIKE THIS. People will be writing off losses for christ sake.

I'd in MSM in order of in the know to complete cluelessness it has to go:

beck
savage
rush
hannity/quinn and rose

I don't really care for any of them except when beck has on someone decent.

 

[BarryDonegan]

100% of people are not necessary to create change. the people who want socialism, raised taxes, and universal healthcare are a loud minority.

 

[TGautier421]

2/5 of America during the American Revolution remained loyal to the Crown....

 

[BarryDonegan]

2/5 of America during the American Revolution remained loyal to the Crown....

and they still are.

 

[Swmorgan77]

He actually said that the statue of liberty was raped by insiders in both parties, including bush, and that these cronies have done much more to harm liberty and americanism than Bin Ladin ever could.


every one of those guys, vomiting from the sugar rush from all the kool aid, calling it disgusted with Bush, McCain, and Obama.

Glenn Beck had an Austrian econ, raise interest rates fest on his show... we won't necessarily win the presidential election this year, but America is back, we have nothing to worry about.

lets take our lumps in the form of hyperinflation, get in BBnT, and get to saving money and doing the right thing.

make sure you go to your meetup groups and make your fone calls like a good american, protest when something is wrong, and never stop again, not even if its not an election year.

we are behaving like America again, if we sustain it, america will be back to tip top shape in a decade. stop being a paranoid maniac about bank runs and martial law and just do your responsible citizen stuff and we're going to be in good shape soon.

lets focus on voting the chumps out of office, and organizing, so next round we do even better.

I think you're overly optimistic here.

The fact that Savage, who is more right-wing that most Republicans finally admits what has been obvious for years, is not really a "victory".

I think you're correct that there IS a perception now that both parties got us into the mess, but Americans still have almost ZERO understanding of what caused it (The Fed) and how to build it back up the right way.

They're very likely to be stampeded into false solutions based on dynamic personalites and schemes of even stronger government intervention in the name of "ending partisan squabbles" and "getting things done". This is a big danger right now... its kind of like that Nextel ad where the firefighters are running Congress and just vote unanimously and everything gets done. That ad sends a cold chill down my spine because that's the sentiment right now.

Its going to take CONCERTED and strategic effort to make sure and steer as much of the reaction to this as possible into the correct solution.

Its a bit like being in the 20's in Germany and cheering the Weimar-Era inflation because "Now people will see how bad private central banks are, fiat money and intervention" and then watching in horror what Germany descended into.

Times like this are what big governments and totalitariansim thrive upon. Yes, we have a unique window because of people's distaste for the current ruling elite and the general rise in attention to issues we've been talking about for years (some of us), but its also a big opportunity for the other side.

Also, keep in mind that finally "winning over" a Republican base that has been so thoroughly discredited in the view of the general public by its support of this President is not much of a strategic advantage at this point. Most people now regrettably associate "free-market" with Bush conservatism, even though we all know this could not be further from the truth.

 

[nbhadja]

Socialized medicine does work very well in most of the world though. It's probably the one thing I can let slide.

Ummmm no it does not!! Don't listen to CNN or Micheal Moore.

The US does not have a free market health care system, not even close to it. It is basically government controlled and it failed. What a shock.

 

[RonPaulR3VOLUTION]

With socialized medicine, it might not be too difficult for the government to get you diagnosed as mentally disturbed for not agreeing with Bush's policies or whatever the current policies happen to be.

Who can say they would have been very happy had Bush been in charge of health care for these last eight years? Didn't he try to get the above accomplished? I remember reading something about it, but it may not have been a reliable source.

Anyway, a very dangerous thing... I do not look forward to politicized medicine.

"Not hopeful enough? Not excited about change? Don't want to bomb Pakistan? Don't want to bomb Iran? You are suffering a mental disorder! Here's some prozac!"

 

[BarryDonegan]

I think you're overly optimistic here.

The fact that Savage, who is more right-wing that most Republicans finally admits what has been obvious for years, is not really a "victory".

I think you're correct that there IS a perception now that both parties got us into the mess, but Americans still have almost ZERO understanding of what caused it (The Fed) and how to build it back up the right way.

you didn't hear the rest of his diatribe. he referred negatively to the Fed, the monetary policy, and said the stuff they were doing up there, if you and I did it, would be a crime.

hes pretty much 100% on the same page.