Afghani soldier on guard shot 4 US soldiers while they slept?

[Crowish]

KABUL (Reuters) - An Afghan soldier on guard at a joint base with U.S. troops shot dead two American servicemen and wounded two others as they slept, a provincial official said on Saturday.

http://in.reuters.com/article/worldNews/idINIndia-42887920091003

I came across that article last night & can't find any other news about it. Has it been mentioned on cable news at all? (I don't have cable.)

 

[qh4dotcom]

Another 2 American soldiers who went to Afghanistan looking for trouble and paid for their foolishness with their lives. What a pity.

 

[Crowish]

I guess that is a no, then?

 

[kahless]

Another 2 American soldiers who went to Afghanistan looking for trouble and paid for their foolishness with their lives. What a pity.

Pretty disgusting comment. The association of this movement with supporters that take joy in American soldiers dieing could cause the down fall of this movement.

 

[qh4dotcom]

Pretty disgusting comment. The association of Ron Paul with supporters that take joy in American soldiers dieing will be the down fall of this movement.

It's not joy...it's frustration...when will soldiers stop trusting politicians?

 

[pcosmar]

Pretty disgusting comment. The association of Ron Paul with supporters that take joy in American soldiers dieing will be the down fall of this movement.

No,,, it won't.

"We have no clue as to why he shot them."

How about, they invaded his country and are killing his people.
We need to bring our troops home.

 

[Reason]

Pretty disgusting comment. The association of this movement with supporters that take joy in American soldiers dieing could cause the down fall of this movement.

 

[justinc.1089]

Most soldiers dont believe politicans any more than the average person does. I have friends that joined the military, and every single one of them did it because they needed a JOB.

Its tough trying to get a good job after highschool you know? Personally I would rather work much harder than join the military but I don't fault my friends for doing something they think is good, mainly just to have a job at the same time.

One of my friends was in the army for five years and went to Iraq, and he later left the military because he realized its not good like he thought.

But he only went for a job. He never believed in Bush's war, or really opposed it. If you ask most people about politics most will say they don't know what should be done. The people that argue for one way or the other are much smaller in number than those that just feel like they don't know. And thats how most soldiers are too. They believe its probably a good thing since everyone says it, but its not like they are war hungry.

My friend certainly did not go to Iraq looking for trouble. In fact he still doesn't really say the Iraq war is bad, I guess because he wants to believe he was doing something morally ok, not bad, but I think he knows it was bad judging from his myspace profile's about me description's comments about his military experience. He said he didn't want to stay in the military because he did not want his son to see him be a part of something like that.

He was not looking for trouble in Iraq, is not so foolish to believe we must be there, and if he paid for being there, not foolishness because again our soldiers there are no more foolish than you, with his life, then it would be a terrible tragedy that would only galvanize my opposition to the Iraq war even more.

Your statement was absurd as ghouliani would say, and I ask you to withdraw it and tell us you didn't mean it.

 

[kahless]

It's not joy...it's frustration...when will soldiers stop trusting politicians?

The soliders go where they are told regardless whether or not they agree with their countries foreign policy. Ron also received more donations from active duty military personnel than any other candidate. To disagree with policy is one thing but your orginal comment certainly does not come off as "frustration" but that of taking joy as if they got what they deserved.

Even if you disagree with the policy of having troops there they are there regardless and we should support their success until they are removed.

 

[PDA1]

A lot of stupid people

It's not so surprising how many stupid people join the military only to find that the reality of being part of an organization that has a mission of killing and destroying doesn't result in their continued joy in "fighting for our freedoms".

I can safely say;

1. I don't know any cops (i.e. "I have this friend that's a cop....blah, blah, blah"

2. I don't know anyone in the military.

Cannon fodder- that's all they are. Instruments of a failed foreign policy.

 

[justinc.1089]

It's not so surprising how many stupid people join the military only to find that the reality of being part of an organization that has a mission of killing and destroying doesn't result in their continued joy in "fighting for our freedoms".

I can safely say;

1. I don't know any cops (i.e. "I have this friend that's a cop....blah, blah, blah"

2. I don't know anyone in the military.

Cannon fodder- that's all they are. Instruments of a failed foreign policy.

Yeah its obvious you know no one in the military or police because of your ignorance. The overwhelming majority of people that join the military or the police don't join them because they're "stupid" and believe in some politician's rhetoric. They join because they need a JOB.

My own father was a policeman. He considered joining the marines, but did not because he knew the military wasn't that great, meaning he was not stupid as you claim, and he knew he could at least do a little bit of good as a policeman, although he now believes you can't make a difference being a police officer after a career as one.

My friends that were or are in the military joined because they need a JOB.

Where else are you going to get a good job with benefits that you can support a family with? Hell you can barely do it as a police officer anyway. That doesn't even pay that much better than an average job, but you do get benefits anyway.

If my dad had not been a police officer, which he hated being for about literally 90% if his career, no one in my family could have afforded to have health insurance. My brother and I could not be in college right now. My mother would be rotting away from MS because there would be no way for her to afford medicine.

You need to use your fucking brain and realize the world is NOT black and white.

It is HARD to find a good job that the government does not provide. The government provides most good jobs these days, and if you don't have a college degree you're probably shit out of luck getting a decent job unless you work for the government in some way.

Providing for one's family the only way you can is NOT stupid.

You must be quite upper class not to understand why people join the police or the military. You're the stupid one if you think people decide one day "hey Bush is having a war I'm gunna go kill some muslims" or "I'm gonna go beat up some people for no good reason today." People do what they can to survive.

Your comments are unbelieveably ignorant filth, vile, scum, and all around disgusting. How dare you call our police and soldiers cannon fodder?!

 

[PDA1]

A job?

In other words no one you know had enough initiative to be self employed and they required tax dollars to keep them alive. Sounds like the description of welfare.

But you're right- some people will do anything just to have a job even if it's wrong.

Yes, plenty of "men" did sign up to fight the war(s) because they wanted to kill muslims. After all, they say, they attacked us first.

Do you like socialism that much? Are you sure you're on the right list?

You claim you're in college- let me guess- from the way you use the "f" word I have to conclude you're an English major.

 

[pcosmar]

The soliders go where they are told regardless whether or not they agree with their countries foreign policy. Ron also received more donations from active duty military personnel than any other candidate. To disagree with policy is one thing but your orginal comment certainly does not come off as "frustration" but that of taking joy as if they got what they deserved.

Even if you disagree with the policy of having troops there they are there regardless and we should support their success until they are removed.

The only success is survival. There is nothing to "win", and there is much to lose.
I take no joy in there death, but I can understand and sympathize with those that are fighting for their home.

Kabul - Up to seven civilians were killed in NATO-led operations,

Up to 150 Afghan Civilians Killed in US Attack on Western Province

Coalition airstrikes “killed dozens of civilians taking shelter from fighting”

And these are just a few of the many such stories, Every civilian that dies brings more fighters to the cause.
Sorry to say, but "our people"are doing nothing good there. The sooner they come home the sooner they stop dying.

 

[Dieseler]

The man of the household must be housebroken to ensure that junior will grow up with the right social training and attitudes. The advertising media, etc., are engaged to see to it that father-to-be is pussy-whipped before or by the time he is married. He is taught that he either conforms to the social notch cut out for him or his sex life will be hobbled and his tender companionship will be zero. He is made to see that women demand security more than logical, principled, or honorable behavior.

By the time his son must go to war, father (with jelly for a backbone) will slam a gun into junior's hand before father will risk the censure of his peers, or make a hypocrite of himself by crossing the investment he has in his own personal opinion or self-esteem. Junior will go to war or father will be embarrassed. So junior will go to war, the true purpose not withstanding.


The female element of human society is ruled by emotion first and logic second. In the battle between logic and imagination, imagination always wins, fantasy prevails, maternal instinct dominates so that the child comes first and the future comes second. A woman with a newborn baby is too starry-eyed to see a wealthy man's cannon fodder or a cheap source of slave labor. A woman must, however, be conditioned to accept the transition to "reality" when it comes, or sooner.

As the transition becomes more difficult to manage, the family unit must be carefully disintegrated, and state-controlled public education and state-operated child-care centers must be become more common and legally enforced so as to begin the detachment of the child from the mother and father at an earlier age. Inoculation of behavioral drugs [Ritalin] can speed the transition for the child (mandatory). Caution: A woman's impulsive anger can override her fear. An irate woman's power must never be underestimated, and her power over a pussy-whipped husband must likewise never be underestimated. It got women the vote in 1920.


The emotional pressure for self-preservation during the time of war and the self-serving attitude of the common herd that have an option to avoid the battlefield - if junior can be persuaded to go - is all of the pressure finally necessary to propel Johnny off to war. Their quiet blackmailings of him are the threats: "No sacrifice, no friends; no glory, no girlfriends."


And what about junior's sister? She is given all the good things of life by her father, and taught to expect the same from her future husband regardless of the price.


Those who will not use their brains are no better off than those who have no brains, and so this mindless school of jelly-fish, father, mother, son, and daughter, become useful beasts of burden or trainers of the same.


Leave Junior alone.
He's not nearly the Pussy (Edit:Tax paying hypocrite) that most of you (Edit:US) are.
(Edit: Cast the first stone.)

 

[angelatc]

Even if you disagree with the policy of having troops there they are there regardless and we should support their success until they are removed.

I have a hard time celebrating a foreign policy I think endangers me. I'm not making that statement lightly, either.

I certainly mourn the loss of a soldier, but it's just not in me to ignore the fact that we're in their country.

 

[justinc.1089]

In other words no one you know had enough initiative to be self employed and they required tax dollars to keep them alive. Sounds like the description of welfare.

But you're right- some people will do anything just to have a job even if it's wrong.

Yes, plenty of "men" did sign up to fight the war(s) because they wanted to kill muslims. After all, they say, they attacked us first.

Do you like socialism that much? Are you sure you're on the right list?

You claim you're in college- let me guess- from the way you use the "f" word I have to conclude you're an English major.

Yes, a JOB.

How else are not only you but also your family going to have food to eat?

Did you not read what I spelled out for you? Do you think my father wanted to keep working with the idiots that actually do act like what you stereotype ALL police officers and soldiers as being?

You're terribly misguided. Being a police officer or a soldier is NOT inherently wrong. Maybe joining the military is now since we have invaded Iraq and Afghanistan. But becoming a police officer absolutely is not wrong. They put their lives on the line to protect you. At least the good decent people that are police do.

And no, people that sign up to be police or soldiers to hurt people are a minority. The majority are good people that need JOBS. I don't know why you can't get that through your thick head. Our government has shaped our economy to where the best jobs are provided by the government.

There is as much difference as there could possibly be between saying people like Bush and Obama consider soldiers cannon fodder and saying they are cannon fodder. By saying they are cannon fodder you are the same as the people you fight against.

Calling you out for your ignorance and intolerable insults to police and soldiers does not in any way possible come remotely close to making me socialist. It only shows your ignorance once again because I have not advocated police brutality or a wrong immoral foreign policy, which you must be trying to imply by saying I support socialism.


Edit:

Also out of the three people I know that are in or have been in the military, two I know very well and one I knew fairly well in highschool. The one that I know very well left the military and now can't afford a car, a house, to support his family, which he was forced to leave because they can't afford to remain together since they met overseas, and makes far less than he made in the military and gets no benefits. He made that much sacrifice so that he would not be a part of the military. I think thats more initiative than you will EVER come even CLOSE to understanding.

The other two have recently joined the Air Force and the Marines, and one already regrets the decision terribly and wants to get out of the Air Force as soon as possible. They both only joined because after being out of highschool and not being able to afford college they felt like the military was the only way they could ever have a career and support a family.

There is NOTHING wrong with being a police officer. Period.

One could argue about federal police-like organizations, but there is nothing wrong with being a police officer. It is better to produce something, and not be paid by tax dollars, but protecting people and trying to bring about justice is NOT wrong. The way police are today makes it less than a good job, but it is NOT doing something wrong to be one when one has very few options if any for a job.

I really don't get how you are not getting this. Its very disturbing. People like you are why Ron Paul lost the election, and why people think Ron Paul and his supporters hate the military, because people like you that are out of touch with reality and average low-class people really truly do hate our soldiers. Its pathetic.

What did my friend ever do to you? What did my dad do to you?

Get it through your thick head the only reason they ever got involved with the government was because the only other option was to be unable to support their family. And while they were working for the government all they ever did was try to do whats right to protect you while constantly being pressured by idiots to do wrong.

 

[pcosmar]

Yes, a JOB.
.

Not just a job.

And NO, They are not protecting me.

 

[angelatc]

The sad part is that the police and the military attract exactly the type of people who aren't strong enough to do things like go to college and stand independently.

They might not start out being bad, but they're weak. Enticing and immersing them into those self-worshiping closed cultures ultimately does more harm than good.

 

[justinc.1089]

Not just a job.

And NO, They are not protecting me.

Yeah thats my friend and my father! You're absolutely right!

They want to kill you! They are ALL like that! Every single one of them! In fact, I don't think they're even people! I guess I'm not either!

Idiot....

Do you really think any person is willing to do that crap? I wish you knew the stress my father went through for not doing crap his superiors wanted him to. All the WRONG stuff he saw that he wouldn't just get along with and let go on.

People that do that to other people want to do it. The good will not do it.

Its not a title, rank, job, or badge that defines whether a person is good or bad, it is their actions.

But you're far too ignorant to see that. You can only understand government means bad and not government means good. Its not that simple.

I hope someone mugs you on the street one day and a cop saves you and risks their life to do it. I think that might be the only way you will ever realize that the world is not simply black and white, or from your perspective government or not government.

 

[justinc.1089]

The sad part is that the police and the military attract exactly the type of people who aren't strong enough to do things like go to college and stand independently.

They might not start out being bad, but they're weak. Enticing and immersing them into those self-worshiping closed cultures ultimately does more harm than good.

I can agree with that. This is a much more correct perspective. I would say hopeless more than weak though myself.