I really don't think you're helping your cause with that response. No doubt he'd do better running as a republican. By admitting that Libertarians (with a capital 'L') can't win is admitting libertarians (with a lowercase 'l') have been defeated. I've encountered countless people (especially in FL) that said during the last election, "this is the last time I'm voting Republican." and if this is the message we're sending them, then you're only chasing them away. You're reenforcing the original reason they didn't vote for Ron Paul or Gary Johnson.
Adrian Wyllie for Florida Governor
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I have been a long time Republican and I understand what Ron Paul was trying to do that if we could change the party back to what it says its principles are and supported him we would have probably won by a landslide. But now that we had these last two elections it is very clear to me and many others that we cannot change the party. At least not on their terms. I am telling Republicans and Democrats that if you want your party to really change register now as Libertarian because if they see their membership going down and the Libertarian party growing this may then put enough fear in them to actually change for the better.
I have bumped into many people over the years saying why vote on principle when you know you cannot win. And these people really wanted to win moreso than to do the right thing for the country. So I have been telling them, you may win but the country loses, your state loses, and your kids lose. In life, many times doing the right thing is the toughest and this is no different. We have to get past this whole idea that only someone from these two parties can win. If WE THE PEOPLE stand together we can
Adrian actually can win. If we put enough fear in the parties that they change then we win. And as far as the election goes he can win that also. Ron Paul did much better down in Pinellas county where he actually won precincts. About 6 people did the ground game there and went door to door. Adrian's idea is to find 6000 people to work every princint. Poeple need to know it is possible and that they can make a differenence.
Some of the most dedicated people who I am working with are ticked off Republicans who are tired of their party giving them democrats to vote for, someone that is not aligned with who the party should be supporting, etc. And now the leaders of the party are very clear that they need to move even closer to the democrats. So if you cannot change the party you might as well look for an alternative.
I made signs saying Adrian Wyllie for governor and then had petitions on clipboards ready to go. People were really interested into who the Adran Wyllie was and wanted to know more. And surprisingly there were a lot of people who felt the way I did and very glad to see an alternative.
I have bumped into many people over the years saying why vote on principle when you know you cannot win. And these people really wanted to win moreso than to do the right thing for the country. So I have been telling them, you may win but the country loses, your state loses, and your kids lose. In life, many times doing the right thing is the toughest and this is no different. We have to get past this whole idea that only someone from these two parties can win. If WE THE PEOPLE stand together we can
Adrian actually can win. If we put enough fear in the parties that they change then we win. And as far as the election goes he can win that also. Ron Paul did much better down in Pinellas county where he actually won precincts. About 6 people did the ground game there and went door to door. Adrian's idea is to find 6000 people to work every princint. Poeple need to know it is possible and that they can make a differenence.
Some of the most dedicated people who I am working with are ticked off Republicans who are tired of their party giving them democrats to vote for, someone that is not aligned with who the party should be supporting, etc. And now the leaders of the party are very clear that they need to move even closer to the democrats. So if you cannot change the party you might as well look for an alternative.
I made signs saying Adrian Wyllie for governor and then had petitions on clipboards ready to go. People were really interested into who the Adran Wyllie was and wanted to know more. And surprisingly there were a lot of people who felt the way I did and very glad to see an alternative.
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He should primary Scott. Republicans are furious at him for backing Obamacare and will support a more fiscally responsible rival.
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I'm sorry, but he can't win. Let's not be delusional here. If you look at LP results from the past decade, or more, they have roughly stayed the same more or less. Average LP vote for governor in 2012 was 2.05%, while in 2010 it was between 1-1.5% IIRC. There isn't going to be a magical increase. He's doesn't have any money and the media will completely shut him out.
I'd vote for Wyllie if I lived in Florida, but I think the LP's 40 year existence has proved beyond a doubt that third parties are not in any way, shape or form for any type of electoral success whatsoever. Losing an election while netting a mere few percentage points is not fun at all, it's actually pretty depressing. Third parties are not successful in the U.S., nor will they ever be.
Wyllie should primary Scott instead. He might get a little bit of attention if he was really aggressive, and his percentage would likely be at least ten-fold better than running in the general election.
The last Libertarian on a statewide ballot in Florida was Alexander Snitker. He won 0.46% of the vote. Definitively not worth it to run. That $42,000 he raised could have been spent on electing liberty Republicans instead. Most people had no idea he was even on the ballot until they went to vote.
I'd vote for Wyllie if I lived in Florida, but I think the LP's 40 year existence has proved beyond a doubt that third parties are not in any way, shape or form for any type of electoral success whatsoever. Losing an election while netting a mere few percentage points is not fun at all, it's actually pretty depressing. Third parties are not successful in the U.S., nor will they ever be.
Wyllie should primary Scott instead. He might get a little bit of attention if he was really aggressive, and his percentage would likely be at least ten-fold better than running in the general election.
The last Libertarian on a statewide ballot in Florida was Alexander Snitker. He won 0.46% of the vote. Definitively not worth it to run. That $42,000 he raised could have been spent on electing liberty Republicans instead. Most people had no idea he was even on the ballot until they went to vote.
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not state wide but congressional candidate Calen Fretts (lib) did better than that
Jeff Miller (R) 69.6%
Jim Bryan (D) 27.1%
Calen Fretts (L) 3.3%
still not a pant load of votes but much better than 0.46
that being said.. I'd like to see him in the Rep primaries too.
Jeff Miller (R) 69.6%
Jim Bryan (D) 27.1%
Calen Fretts (L) 3.3%
still not a pant load of votes but much better than 0.46
that being said.. I'd like to see him in the Rep primaries too.
And it's people like you that wonder why we are so divided. Because you call people who don't agree with you delusional. You're still not helping your case yet you still argue. I don't care what history tells me about the Libertarian party. I'm concerned with the history of the Republican party as a 3rd party. What was the Republican party when it came out? a bunch of pissed off Whigs and anti slavery Democrats. What consists of the Libertarian party? A bunch of pissed off Republicans and some conservative Democrats.
There is a chance for the Libertarian party to become a viable 3rd party. If a liberty candidate chooses to run as an L, we vote for them. If they chooses to run as an R, we vote for them. If they chooses to run as a D, we vote for them. And we get people to do the same. And we do this while challenging Republicans when they're wrong. You can change the Republican party while building the Libertarian party at the same time. We don't have to concentrate on one. We don't all have to agree on what way to do it. We just concentrate on changing the conversation, speaking the truth, and people will open up and change their minds.
I was a bit surprised myself to see 3.3% for Calen Fretts. I was expecting 2 or less. So many people I know that live there said they would have voted for him if they thought he had a chance to win. I don't know ANYONE besides myself who voted for him. But it does give me a little bit of hope.
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this from my email updates
[h=1]Adrian Wyllie a Major Factor in Governor’s Race ~ Thanks to all of you!![/h]
At 9am this morning, Adrian called me. I was not shocked to see his name pop up on my phone since we speak nearly every morning with plans for the campaign. Within minutes of the call there was a huge "NO WAY!!!!" which was proceeded by a round of congratulations. Today we found out that not only was Adrian Wyllie included in a poll but the numbers came in and he was just under 9% in a statewide scientific poll. The even bigger news was that 21% of those polled were still undecided. That makes this a 3 way race and definitely ours to win!!
I want to take a minute and thank everyone for all of their hard work. It is because of our amazing campaign team that this is possible. It is YOU that has gotten us this far and together we will take back the state of Florida and restore liberty!! Victory is in our grasp!! Can you feel it?
What we also have accomplished in this is obtaining something most 3rd party campaigns never get...........data!! In this poll we got to see where Adrian is strong and where we need work. Who is the message resonating most with and who it does not. This also proves that we just need to reach more people! There are at least 21% of voters up for grabs and many in the major parties that have just not heard Adrian's message. It's time to change that!
With over a year left in the race and the campaign just now heating up these numbers are exciting. Now our goal is to get Adrian in front of every voter we can. The message is winning with the people. We just need to reach more of them. We can do this. We will do this!! And we will do it together!!
[h=1]Adrian Wyllie a Major Factor in Governor’s Race ~ Thanks to all of you!![/h]
I want to take a minute and thank everyone for all of their hard work. It is because of our amazing campaign team that this is possible. It is YOU that has gotten us this far and together we will take back the state of Florida and restore liberty!! Victory is in our grasp!! Can you feel it?
What we also have accomplished in this is obtaining something most 3rd party campaigns never get...........data!! In this poll we got to see where Adrian is strong and where we need work. Who is the message resonating most with and who it does not. This also proves that we just need to reach more people! There are at least 21% of voters up for grabs and many in the major parties that have just not heard Adrian's message. It's time to change that!
With over a year left in the race and the campaign just now heating up these numbers are exciting. Now our goal is to get Adrian in front of every voter we can. The message is winning with the people. We just need to reach more of them. We can do this. We will do this!! And we will do it together!!
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