Adam Kokesh: Why I Don't Support Rand Paul

RJB said:
Adam Kokesh: Why Don't I Support Rand?

Answer: So people will discuss and argue about me on ronpaulforums.com
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Probably. But there is a segment of non voters out there (some of them Ron Paul people) who I would much rather have support from than have filling the world with vitriol.
 
r3volution 3.0 said:
Most of us here (as best I can tell) are either minarchists or pragmatic anarchists.

The purist anarchists, the "muh roads" brigade, is a distinct minority.

A +rep for your troubles Sir. :)
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it's all good bro,
even with the ones I argue with.
it is the discussion that we need.
pragmatic anarchists
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I LIKE that! :p
 
Sola_Fide said:
Probably. But there is a segment of non voters out there (some of them Ron Paul people) who I would much rather have support from than have filling the world with vitriol.
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so. what about it Mr Sola. proud Anarchist.
or.
proud minarchist?

:confused:
 
Deborah K said:
I knew him before anyone else in the movement did. He's not a plant. The conspiracy theorists are eating their own. LOL.
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oh, it is on now girl.

I met him just before the Rally for the Republic.
around a campfire, in a field of clover, with possum wood. :p
when I met him, I had NO clue who he was...

the very next day. he gave a speech at the R4R.
true story.
 
HVACTech said:
so. what about it Mr Sola. proud Anarchist.
or.
proud minarchist?

:confused:
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I'm a voluntarist. I want to support Rand not because I think politics will change things, but ideas change things...and Rand can serve as a bridge to those ideas. Just like Ron did.
 
Sola_Fide said:
I'm a voluntarist. I want to support Rand not because I think politics will change things, but ideas change things...and Rand can serve as a bridge to those ideas. Just like Ron did.
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Sir. do you know... what an...
abstract concept is?

"Anarchy" is an abstract concept.
why did you avoid the query?

my best guess...

 
HVACTech said:
Sir. do you know... what an...
abstract concept is?

"Anarchy" is an abstract concept.
why did you avoid the query?

my best guess...

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I don't like the label "anarchist", because it implies things that my Christian worldview does not accept. But I am very much in favor of a family-oriented culture based on voluntary contracts, with no coercion.
 
Sola_Fide said:
I don't like the label "anarchist", because it implies things that my Christian worldview does not accept. But I am very much in favor of a family-oriented culture based on voluntary contracts, with no coercion.
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you want to be left alone? and keep (most) of the fruits of your labor?

I am a minarchist friend. I am NOT a PURE HARD CORE ANARCHIST.

my goal, is to protect both you and your kind from the statists.
 
The more distance that Rand Paul puts between himself and Adam Kokesh's camp, the better he will fair. I also think the outward hostility that Luke Rudowski showed for him a while back also helped his chances significantly. I don't fully disown Kokesh myself, but there have been times where he has veered dangerously close to Chris Cantwell territory, and that is something that WILL NOT go over with the average Republican voter, or about 97% of registered voters for that matter.

People can easily get overly comfortable in an echo-chamber of a few thousand strong supporters and completely forget that elections in this country are decided by millions upon millions, many of whom still take their marching orders directly from the idiot box. Kokesh is not, nor has he every been ready for prime time, even on unconventional venues like Russia Today.
 
I get the feeling that Adam became controlled opposition after the bizarre gun brandishing incident that put him in prison.
 
LibertyEagle said:
It's a piece of paper, rather a set of principles, that THE PEOPLE (including you) were to reinforce. We were told that we could not keep our republic unless the people stayed educated and vigilant and guess what, we didn't.
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Yeah, that's why it's useless. 'If only people enforce it'. Clearly, that does not work.
 
r3volution 3.0 said:
I think I just did.

He consistently attacks Rand; he consistently tells his followers not to get involved in politics.

Assuming that his words influence anyone (and it appears they do), the result can only be less resources available for liberty candidates.

Fewer voters, fewer volunteers, fewer donations.
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The electoral process does not encompass the liberty movement.


HVACTech said:
oh, it is on now girl.

I met him just before the Rally for the Republic.
around a campfire, in a field of clover, with possum wood. :p
when I met him, I had NO clue who he was...

the very next day. he gave a speech at the R4R.
true story.
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Very cool story. I've told this story a couple of times over the years, but back in 2008 when I was organizing Revolution March, I wanted a representative from the Iraq Veterans Against the War to speak at the event. Adam was a member and when I wrote them, he responded. At the time, he was a student and writing a speech fit right into one of his classes. After I did due diligence, I told him to go ahead and write a speech. Well, he did. He called me and read it to me over the phone and I was greatly affected by it. Here it is for those who have forgotten:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PbOp_9VfR6o 211,000 hits isn't bad.

Here's something I've never mentioned on here though. When I was organizing PaulFestival, a mutual "friend" of ours who was working with me during the early stages turned against me, and tried to get others to do the same. Adam had my back and I'll never forget it. Loyalty means something to him, and it means something to me.

To those of you who hate Adam and his 'Joe Rogan style', you're entitled to your opinion but it seems to me that most of you are cherry-picking where he's concerned and not giving him any credit for what he's done for the movement. Have you looked at any of his clips on his exposure of the TSA? Or the beautiful and reverent Veterans march he organized in D.C. ? Or his courage to load a weapon where it is deemed illegal by our overlords, knowing full well the sacrifice that was coming? Or the book he wrote: Freedom! ? This link has a free audiopdf if anyone is interested: https://wacedinburgh.wordpress.com/2014/06/11/freedom-by-adam-kokesh-free-audio-bookpdf/

I know we're in an election cycle now, and those who still believe in the electoral process are going to get their panties in a knot over Adam and other anarchists in the movement, but I guess your attitudes about him really aren't that different than the way the RNC treated Ron - like the crazy uncle.

History will judge Adam and his place in this movement.
 
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