Adam Kokesh ordered held without bond in D.C.

AuH20 said:
Kokesh did try to run for office, but got sidelined by the New Mexico GOP. With that said, I kinda agree with you.
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He ran in a solidly blue district. He had no chance in hell in the general anyway. It was all for show.
 
69360 said:
Some of you will say the law he broke was unconstitutional and I'll agree, but it's still a law. We have procedures to seek redress for unconstitutional laws but he took it upon himself to break the law instead and is now suffering the consequences.
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One procedure is to get the law changed. The other is to "commit" the crime, and then take the case as high up the chain as you can. Is there some other option?
 
69360 said:
We have procedures to seek redress for unconstitutional laws ...
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But when a long train of abuses and usurpations, pursuing invariably the same object evinces a design to reduce them under absolute despotism, it is their right, it is their duty, to throw off such government, and to provide new guards for their future security.
 
BTW I'm already starting to read moles (paid ones too) on other political sites attempting to tie Adam Kokesh to Rand Paul (since he endorsed him long prior to this circus).
 
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John Taylor said:
You are correct 69360. As a criminal defense attorney, the fact of the matter is, bond/bail is set to ensure that an individual shows up for court, that they have an incentive not to flee, and that they are disabled and deterred from the commission of further crimes.
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Not true. Pre-trial detention may not be used for the purpose of disabling future non-violent crimes. Detention may only be used if the court finds a likelihood of future violent crimes (or flight-risk). See Salerno.

John Taylor said:
Mr. Kokesh should not be held without bail/bond in my opinion, unless his alleged crime was a violent one, or if he has demonstrated an unwillingness to show up for court, or if he has demonstrated a willingness to continue in breaking the law while out on pre-trial services.
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Not true. Pre-trial detention may not be used for the purpose of disabling future non-violent crimes.
 
69360 said:
Some of you will say the law he broke was unconstitutional and I'll agree, but it's still a law.
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You type that all you like, but that will not make it true:

a legislative act contrary to the constitution is not law
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http://scholar.google.com/scholar_case?case=9834052745083343188

What do you hope to accomplish by persistently misstating the law? Or is this some sort of mental disorder on your part? Why don't you seek psychiatric treatment for it?

69360 said:
We have procedures to seek redress for unconstitutional laws but he took it upon himself to break the law instead and is now suffering the consequences.
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You have your own personal procedures, but that doesn't make them good ideas for anyone else to follow; and your point of view is based in a clear misunderstanding of the law: http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showth...ranted-bond-Video/page3&p=5127119#post5127119
 
69360 said:
I believe he was released on bond or OR from his arrest in Philly last month, not sure how that case ended. I think the court is justified in it's belief he will continue to break the law given his prior actions, total lack of cooperation or participation in prior proceedings and his mental state.

At first I figured he might be cointelpro with all the crazy actions, but it seems like he just need mental health treatment now.
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It's so good to see we have forum psychiatrists on hand to help us understand Adam's problems. :rolleyes:

The British called Samuel Adams a big troublemaker, and they were right. They called him the most dangerous man in Massachusetts! If he were caught by the British he would have been hung in the town square for being a leader of men and a great revolutionary!
 
John Taylor said:
Mr. Kokesh is sidelining himself. His efforts are laudable morally, but do little to advance the cause of effectuating limited government tangibly.

Mr. Amash is a far better exemplar of liberty minded professionals impacting the political and legal environments in more than a transitory manner.
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Mr. Amash, et al, are attempting to sweep back the ocean with a broom.

Mr. Kokesh has turned his back on the ocean.
 
better-dead-than-fed said:
People are held without bond:



http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showthread.php?412611-Dangerousness-and-Pre-Crime

The Supreme Court ruled that this does not violate the 8th Amendment, since no excessive bail was offered, let alone required. http://scholar.google.com/scholar_case?case=5741581181224640770

ETA: The judge didn't just "find" that Kokesh would likely commit a crime if released. The judge "found" that Kokesh would likely commit unlawful violence if released.
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As you probably know, the Feds are also a lot more anal about bail/bond issues than local and state courts. They like "pre-release conditions" more than plain monetary bonds and if they can get away with holding someone without bail they'll do it.
 
donnay said:
It's so good to see we have forum psychiatrists on hand to help us understand Adam's problems. :rolleyes:

The British called Samuel Adams a big troublemaker, and they were right. They called him the most dangerous man in Massachusetts! If he were caught by the British he would have been hung in the town square for being a leader of men and a great revolutionary!
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Here's to the rabble-rousers....http://www.iboston.org/mcp.php?pid=samAdams&laf=hpe
 
Anti Federalist said:
Yup, just another nut...leave him rot.
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:rolleyes: Snark aside, AF, he's obv cuckoo. Who's he, thinkin' he can just load a shotgun in Washington, D.C.? Cuckoo, with a side of criminally dangerous, thankyouverymuch. Anyone who loads shotguns in WDC should be locked up... and throw away the key while yer at it, boyo.

We can all sleep safe tonight, in the quiet comfort that a vicious gun-loader ain't getting back out on the streets on some bogus bond set by a gun-nut judge. Streets are safer, I tell ya.

;)

It's like screaming at people behind bullet-proof glass sometimes...
 
better-dead-than-fed said:
You type that all you like, but that will not make it true:



http://scholar.google.com/scholar_case?case=9834052745083343188

What do you hope to accomplish by persistently misstating the law? Or is this some sort of mental disorder on your part? Why don't you seek psychiatric treatment for it?



You have your own personal procedures, but that doesn't make them good ideas for anyone else to follow; and your point of view is based in a clear misunderstanding of the law: http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showth...ranted-bond-Video/page3&p=5127119#post5127119
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Why don't you admit that you pull the same sort of stunts Kokesh does and get yourself locked up by the feds on a regular basis as well. You know so we have a basis to judge your perspective here.

donnay said:
It's so good to see we have forum psychiatrists on hand to help us understand Adam's problems. :rolleyes:

The British called Samuel Adams a big troublemaker, and they were right. They called him the most dangerous man in Massachusetts! If he were caught by the British he would have been hung in the town square for being a leader of men and a great revolutionary!
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I don't claim to know WHAT his problems are, but he's publicly admitted that he has them and is currently getting disability and care for them from the VA. Hopefully he gets better. He's pulled small scale publicity stunts so far, nothing that deserves mention in the same sentence as Adams.
 
Anti Federalist said:
Yup, just another nut...leave him rot.
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In jail no. A few months ago I would have thought that. But now I think he should be in a VA hospital or something like that until he sorts himself out.

He's messed up his future pretty badly now with multiple felonies and federal charges. Hopefully he can get his life back together.
 
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69360 said:
In jail no. A few months ago I would have thought that. But now I think he should be in a VA hospital or something like that until he sorts himself out.

He's messed up his future pretty badly now with multiple felonies and federal charges. Hopefully he can get his life back together.
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