Activists Swarm Homan Square "CIA Black Site" in Chicago

Like that would happen....

If Rand when down there, with Amash... and 5,000 or 10,000 or his closest supporters and a tonne of news vans.

Well. It would be a turning point.

America hasn't had a leader with actual balls in a long long time.
 
Apologies for the link I posted above as "original". That was a follow up. This is the original report. Disturbing!

http://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2015/feb/24/chicago-police-detain-americans-black-site

The Chicago police department operates an off-the-books interrogation compound, rendering Americans unable to be found by family or attorneys while locked inside what lawyers say is the domestic equivalent of a CIA black site.

The facility, a nondescript warehouse on Chicago’s west side known as Homan Square, has long been the scene of secretive work by special police units. Interviews with local attorneys and one protester who spent the better part of a day shackled in Homan Square describe operations that deny access to basic constitutional rights.

Alleged police practices at Homan Square, according to those familiar with the facility who spoke out to the Guardian after its investigation into Chicago police abuse, include:

Keeping arrestees out of official booking databases.
Beating by police, resulting in head wounds.
Shackling for prolonged periods.
Denying attorneys access to the “secure” facility.
Holding people without legal counsel for between 12 and 24 hours, including people as young as 15.

At least one man was found unresponsive in a Homan Square “interview room” and later pronounced dead.

Brian Jacob Church, a protester known as one of the “Nato Three”, was held and questioned at Homan Square in 2012 following a police raid. Officers restrained Church for the better part of a day, denying him access to an attorney, before sending him to a nearby police station to be booked and charged.

“Homan Square is definitely an unusual place,” Church told the Guardian on Friday. “It brings to mind the interrogation facilities they use in the Middle East. The CIA calls them black sites. It’s a domestic black site. When you go in, no one knows what’s happened to you.”

The secretive warehouse is the latest example of Chicago police practices that echo the much-criticized detention abuses of the US war on terrorism. While those abuses impacted people overseas, Homan Square – said to house military-style vehicles, interrogation cells and even a cage – trains its focus on Americans, most often poor, black and brown.

Unlike a precinct, no one taken to Homan Square is said to be booked. Witnesses, suspects or other Chicagoans who end up inside do not appear to have a public, searchable record entered into a database indicating where they are, as happens when someone is booked at a precinct. Lawyers and relatives insist there is no way of finding their whereabouts. Those lawyers who have attempted to gain access to Homan Square are most often turned away, even as their clients remain in custody inside.

“It’s sort of an open secret among attorneys that regularly make police station visits, this place – if you can’t find a client in the system, odds are they’re there,” said Chicago lawyer Julia Bartmes.

Chicago civil-rights attorney Flint Taylor said Homan Square represented a routinization of a notorious practice in local police work that violates the fifth and sixth amendments of the constitution.

“This Homan Square revelation seems to me to be an institutionalization of the practice that dates back more than 40 years,” Taylor said, “of violating a suspect or witness’ rights to a lawyer and not to be physically or otherwise coerced into giving a statement.”

Much remains hidden about Homan Square. The Chicago police department did not respond to the Guardian’s questions about the facility. But after the Guardian published this story, the department provided a statement insisting, without specifics, that there is nothing untoward taking place at what it called the “sensitive” location, home to undercover units.

“CPD [Chicago police department] abides by all laws, rules and guidelines pertaining to any interviews of suspects or witnesses, at Homan Square or any other CPD facility. If lawyers have a client detained at Homan Square, just like any other facility, they are allowed to speak to and visit them. It also houses CPD’s Evidence Recovered Property Section, where the public is able to claim inventoried property,” the statement said, something numerous attorneys and one Homan Square arrestee have denied.

“There are always records of anyone who is arrested by CPD, and this is not any different at Homan Square,” it continued.

The Chicago police statement did not address how long into an arrest or detention those records are generated or their availability to the public. A department spokesperson did not respond to a detailed request for clarification.

When a Guardian reporter arrived at the warehouse on Friday, a man at the gatehouse outside refused any entrance and would not answer questions. “This is a secure facility. You’re not even supposed to be standing here,” said the man, who refused to give his name.

A former Chicago police superintendent and a more recently retired detective, both of whom have been inside Homan Square in the last few years in a post-police capacity, said the police department did not operate out of the warehouse until the late 1990s.

But in detailing episodes involving their clients over the past several years, lawyers described mad scrambles that led to the closed doors of Homan Square, a place most had never heard of previously. The facility was even unknown to Rob Warden, the founder of Northwestern University Law School’s Center on Wrongful Convictions, until the Guardian informed him of the allegations of clients who vanish into inherently coercive police custody.

“They just disappear,” said Anthony Hill, a criminal defense attorney, “until they show up at a district for charging or are just released back out on the street.”

MUCH more at link...long article

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If Rand when down there, with Amash... and 5,000 or 10,000 or his closest supporters and a tonne of news vans.

Well. It would be a turning point.

America hasn't had a leader with actual balls in a long long time.

I agree. Just the symbolism of Rand and others appearing in Obama and Rahm's backyard would be epic.
 
I agree. Just the symbolism of Rand and others appearing in Obama and Rahm's backyard would be epic.

Indeed. Especially since Obama just mentioned Randal going to Chicago in that speech recently. Talking about screaming at the top of his lungs and whatnot. If this is legit; this is a golden opportunity for Sen. Paul!
 
They also say Homan Square is "the base of operations for officers working undercover assignments. These men and women dress in plain clothes and work to disrupt gang activity and clear drug markets out of neighborhoods. Advertising their base of operations could put their lives at risk, which is why Homan Square features little signage."


Oh it's to get rid of the drugs!!!


Boy that war on drugs is really helpful to abduct people for nefarious reasons and call it keeping the streets safe..I'm sure cops would have no problem supporting the legalization movement..:rolleyes:
 
The negativity is incredible.

God forbid someone actually go out and protest. Surely the Chicago black site would be closer to closed had they simply talked shit on the internet.

They aren't any closer to being closed because of the protests either.

A protest only works if it is backed by the threat of loss to the other party. If I protest Walmart, and then do my shopping at walmart, would walmart care? Nope. If I protest walmart and stop shopping at walmart in total, would they care, a tiny bit. If I protest Walmart and a 1000 others in the area protest walmart and stop shopping there, would they care, yeah quite a bit.

My question is what is the "threat" if they don't shut down the black sites. I don't see one, so what is the likelihood that your adversary will change behavior when threatened with zero loss if they don't? They won't. Same as walmart.
 
They aren't any closer to being closed because of the protests either.

A protest only works if it is backed by the threat of loss to the other party. If I protest Walmart, and then do my shopping at walmart, would walmart care? Nope. If I protest walmart and stop shopping at walmart in total, would they care, a tiny bit. If I protest Walmart and a 1000 others in the area protest walmart and stop shopping there, would they care, yeah quite a bit.

My question is what is the "threat" if they don't shut down the black sites. I don't see one, so what is the likelihood that your adversary will change behavior when threatened with zero loss if they don't? They won't. Same as walmart.

The population is right on the edge of a full blown war on cops. After that pair got shot in NY they were begging the media to tone down the anti-cop rhetoric.

They have a lot more to lose than Wal-Mart.
 
Blah, the only thing more useless than government is peaceful protest.

The only thing more useless than a peaceful protest is a comment on an Internet forum.

The negativity is incredible.

God forbid someone actually go out and protest. Surely the Chicago black site would be closer to closed had they simply talked shit on the internet.

^this
 
They also say Homan Square is "the base of operations for officers working undercover assignments. These men and women dress in plain clothes and work to disrupt gang activity and clear drug markets out of neighborhoods. Advertising their base of operations could put their lives at risk, which is why Homan Square features little signage."

Oh it's to get rid of the drugs!!!


Boy that war on drugs is really helpful to abduct people for nefarious reasons and call it keeping the streets safe..I'm sure cops would have no problem supporting the legalization movement..:rolleyes:

Hmmmm.....so Chicago police admit the black site exists, deny that they are doing anything illegal, and claim that it's important for the bases operations for the site not to be "advertised." So this protest by itself can shut down Homan Square simply by bringing attention to it! Someone should put some webcams around it to video ever car entering and leaving and broadcasting it realtime over the Internet. That will make Homan Square useless as an undercover base of operations.
 
They aren't any closer to being closed because of the protests either.

A protest only works if it is backed by the threat of loss to the other party. If I protest Walmart, and then do my shopping at walmart, would walmart care? Nope. If I protest walmart and stop shopping at walmart in total, would they care, a tiny bit. If I protest Walmart and a 1000 others in the area protest walmart and stop shopping there, would they care, yeah quite a bit.

My question is what is the "threat" if they don't shut down the black sites. I don't see one, so what is the likelihood that your adversary will change behavior when threatened with zero loss if they don't? They won't. Same as walmart.

The biggest threat to Homan square, according to the people running it, is exposure. The protest is a way to bring exposure to it.
 
The justice department would be coming down on them anytime ..............................now.

Yes, protesting is 1000x more activism than playing keyboard warrior. At least some people left their house to confront albeit a peaceful one. At least we know after the visit from the protestors, the police thugs will have to temper their activity down or yet find another venue
 
It is Chicago.
The police are incredibly corrupt.
Human rights are abused.

It is Chicago.. what further facts do you need?

Yea, police are corrupt and it maybe used for illegal stuff. But he is asking for concrete evidence like stuff you can use in a court like pictures, witness testimony etc etc. For all we know, it could just be a place where the police go to do drugs and have marathon orgies. Which is still illegal and stuff the police would like to hide from the public but still different from a detention and torture site
 
They aren't any closer to being closed because of the protests either.

A protest only works if it is backed by the threat of loss to the other party. If I protest Walmart, and then do my shopping at walmart, would walmart care? Nope. If I protest walmart and stop shopping at walmart in total, would they care, a tiny bit. If I protest Walmart and a 1000 others in the area protest walmart and stop shopping there, would they care, yeah quite a bit.

My question is what is the "threat" if they don't shut down the black sites. I don't see one, so what is the likelihood that your adversary will change behavior when threatened with zero loss if they don't? They won't. Same as walmart.
People simply being outside of the location would discourage any additional suspects from being brought there. Is it likely that if their makeshift jail is closed they will simply move to another location? Perhaps. Without awareness that there is even such a location, (with said awareness being encouraged through protesting) there is no chance that they would even move location.

And they are not going to like the media attention, even if it's simply an alternative one. The cars pulling in and out of that building are undercovers, the people coming and going, too. They do not want their pictures across the internet. Not to mention that with more attention would come the whores from the whore houses for a photo op. While politicians aren't generally moral or upstanding specimens of human existence, they certainly know which way the wind blows. And even with knowing that relatively few even showed up to protest, and I'm sure some of the shit talkers here live within driving distance, politicians know that America isn't quite to the point where secret prisons would be tolerated by the police. But by all means, simply watching RT coverage of the injustice then discussing it on the internet is leaps and bounds more productive than organizing and 'obstructing' outside of the jail.
 
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