Activism Thought Experiment

[Occam's Banana]

Purely as a hypothetical, huh? I've got my eye on you.

I'ma just vote really hard. And maybe write some SWLODs to my elected representatives.

 

[TheTexan]

I'ma just vote really hard. And maybe write some SWLODs to my elected representatives.

+rep a proven effective strategy.

Thanks for keeping our movement respectable

 

[TheTexan]

And frankly open carry in most private businesses is insane. If I owned a business, I would ban it. The amount of people who will be turned off by some goober with a visible gun vastly outnumbers the people who will protest a business. You can still concealed carry. No one is a sitting duck. This is an infringement on freedom in the same way that banning people from showing their penis in a store is an infringement on freedom. I was just talking about this with my dad who carries everywhere this weekend. And he was saying what embarrassments so many of the fringe gun nuts are.

Exactly. It's a common courtesy to not bring a visible gun to public places.

Except when hunting of course then it's OK. A weapon is safe to carry as long as deer are nearby

 

[Occam's Banana]

It's the Alice's Restaurant En-Tire Massacree Movement.

Good example of why anarchists are not for liberty. No it is not okay to break windows or vandalize property. Ever. It is literally the worst possible thing that could happen to further liberty. Acting like Antifa will win no reasonable person to a cause.

And don't fill up shopping carts full a crap that you won't buy. It is immoral. It is stealing. Someone has to restock that stuff which costs money. People who are for liberty aren't thieves. You have no constitutional or moral right to open carry (or even carry) a firearm into private property. Their property. Their rules.

And frankly open carry in most private businesses is insane. If I owned a business, I would ban it. The amount of people who will be turned off by some goober with a visible gun vastly outnumbers the people who will protest a business. You can still concealed carry. No one is a sitting duck. This is an infringement on freedom in the same way that banning people from showing their penis in a store is an infringement on freedom. I was just talking about this with my dad who carries everywhere this weekend. And he was saying what embarrassments so many of the fringe gun nuts are.

I disagree:

He stopped me right there and said, "Kid, I want you to go over and sit down on that bench that says 'Group W' ... NOW, KID!!"

And ... and I walked over to the bench there, and there's, there's Group W, where they put you if you may not be moral enough [...] after committin' your special crime. There was all kinds of mean, nasty, ugly-lookin' people on the bench there. There was mother-rapers, father-stabbers, father-rapers! Father-rapers sittin' right there on the bench next to me! And they was mean and nasty and ugly, and horrible [...] guys were sittin' there on the bench, and the meanest, ugliest, nastiest one, the meanest father-raper of them all, was comin' over to me, and he was mean and ugly and nasty and horrible and all kinds of things, and he sat down next to me and said, "Kid ... what'd you get?"

I said, "I didn't get nothin'. I had to pay fifty dollars and [put the groceries back on the shelf]."

He said, "What were you arrested for, kid?" and I said, "[filling up shopping carts with crap that I didn't buy]."

And they all moved away from me on the bench there, with the hairy eyeball and all kinds of mean, nasty things, till I said, "And creatin' a nuisance" and they all came back, shook my hand, and we had a great time on the bench talkin' about crime, mother-stabbin', father-rapin', all kinds of groovy things that we was talkin' about on the bench, and everything was fine [...]

 

[pcosmar]

 

[Swordsmyth]

Good example of why anarchists are not for liberty. No it is not okay to break windows or vandalize property. Ever. It is literally the worst possible thing that could happen to further liberty. Acting like Antifa will win no reasonable person to a cause.

And don't fill up shopping carts full a crap that you won't buy. It is immoral. It is stealing. Someone has to restock that stuff which costs money. People who are for liberty aren't thieves.

What is your opinion of the Boston Tea Party?

And frankly open carry in most private businesses is insane. If I owned a business, I would ban it. The amount of people who will be turned off by some goober with a visible gun vastly outnumbers the people who will protest a business. You can still concealed carry. No one is a sitting duck. This is an infringement on freedom in the same way that banning people from showing their penis in a store is an infringement on freedom. I was just talking about this with my dad who carries everywhere this weekend. And he was saying what embarrassments so many of the fringe gun nuts are.

You are the embarrassment to America, you suffer from hoplophobia and cater to those who likewise suffer from it.
Your attitude is why the left has been so successful at demonizing guns.

 

[Krugminator2]

What is your opinion of the Boston Tea Party?

I'm a fan.

You are the embarrassment to America, you suffer from hoplophobia and cater to those who likewise suffer from it.
Your attitude is why the left has been so successful at demonizing guns.

You rabidly support Orange Man and demonize a liberty champion like Mark Sanford. You support regressive taxes on Americans in order to prop up failing industries with tariffs. You think government laws against prostitution are legitimate. You have anti-First Amendment rants against private businesses like Facebook and want to use government violence against them. See. You are not principled. This issue has nothing to do with freedom. The problem with unprincipled people (like you) is they are rabid when you don't take an interest in their cause. Gun guy, vape pen guy, marijuana guy are all the same guy. It isn't liberty they are after. It is making people care about their pet issue to the point of not just allowing something but having to be an active cheerleader for it.

I support concealed carry and am fine with open carry laws. That is the only part that matters. That's the freedom part. I have no interest in guns whatsoever. Don't own one. Will never own one. Have no interest in being around them. There is no reason to open carry in a store or a restaurant. That has nothing to do with liberty. It is a personal choice. My life is not better or safer with some hayseed walking around with an AR-15 over his shoulder. And if a place wants to ban that. Good. I am slightly more likely to go there.

 

[Danke]

I'm a fan.




You rapidly support Orange Man and demonize a liberty champion like Mark Sanford. You support regressive taxes on Americans in order to prop up failing industries with tariffs. You think government laws against prostitution are legitimate. You have anti-First Amendment rants against private businesses like Facebook and want to use government violence against them. See. You are not principled. This issue has nothing to do with freedom. The problem with unprincipled people (like you) is they are rabid when you don't take an interest in their cause. Gun guy, vape pen guy, marijuana guy are all the same guy. It isn't liberty they are after. It is making people care about their pet issue to the point of not just allowing something but having to be an active cheerleader for it.

I support concealed carry and am fine with open carry laws. That is the only part that matters. That's the freedom part. I have no interest in guns whatsoever. Don't own one. Will never own one. Have no interest in being around them. There is no reason to open carry in a store or a restaurant. That has nothing to do with liberty. It is a personal choice. My life is not better or safer with some hayseed walking around with an AR-15 over his shoulder. And if a place wants to ban that. Good. I am slightly more likely to go there.

You think Facebook is a "private business?" Really?

 

[Krugminator2]

You think Facebook is a "private business?" Really?

Yes. Because... Well.. They are a private business.

Saying they aren't is like saying no business is private because you have public sidewalks and public parking and public roads. And if no business is private then the government can regulate it however they want. So yes. Facebook is a private business and restricting speech is never okay. Facebook and Twitter and Youtube and Google can ban whomever they want.

 

[Swordsmyth]

I'm a fan.

It was "vandalism" and destruction of private property.

You rapidly support Orange Man and demonize a liberty champion like Mark Sanford.

Sanford got corrupted, his voting record decayed and I posted examples, he can't be trusted since his "hiking" trip.

You support regressive taxes on Americans in order to prop up failing industries with tariffs.

WRONG.
I support defensive tariffs to counter foreign government market manipulation to destroy viable industries and prop up their failing industries.

You think government laws against prostitution are legitimate.

I said local communities have a right to decide about that kind of issue because immorality brings corruption and the curses of GOD.

You have anti-First Amendment rants against private businesses like Facebook and want to use government violence against them.

That's nonsense, they are government sockpuppets and I said they can do what they want if they tell the truth about it or they can play fair to get the immunity they claim.

See. You are not principled.

LOL

This issue has nothing to do with freedom. The problem with unprincipled people (like you) is they are rabid when you don't take an interest in their cause. Gun guy, vape pen guy, marijuana guy are all the same guy. It isn't liberty they are after. It is making people care about their pet issue to the point of not just allowing something but having to be an active cheerleader for it.

WRONG.
This is part of the campaign to ban guns and we should make ourselves heard opposing it.

I support concealed carry and am fine with open carry laws. That is the only part that matters. That's the freedom part.

So is opposing the culture of demonizing guns.

I have no interest in guns whatsoever. Don't own one. Will never own one. There is no reason to open carry in a store or a restaurant. That has nothing to do with liberty.

That's the problem, you don't think people need to be able to defend themselves and you are fine with the attempt to create a hoplophobic culture that WILL end up banning guns.

 

[Swordsmyth]

Yes. Because... Well.. They are a private business.

Saying they aren't is like saying no business is private because you have public sidewalks and public parking and public roads. And if no business is private then the government can regulate it however they want. So yes. Facebook is a private business and restricting speech is never okay. Facebook and Twitter and Youtube and Google can ban whomever they want.

Government creations are NOT private businesses.

 

[Krugminator2]

That's the problem, you don't think people need to be able to defend themselves and you are fine with the attempt to create a hoplophobic culture that WILL end up banning guns.

I didn't say or even hint that people don't need to be able to defend themselves. I implied no such thing.

You did confirm my point that you think like a progressive. Your view is that you will make someone care about a pet issue. Not wanting to personally own a gun or be around them has zero, zip, zilch, nada, nil to do with liberty. I do not care even a little bit guns. That is in no way shape or form anti-liberty. I do not care about visiting prostitutes. I do not care to use crack or marijuana or vape. I only care that government doesn't restrict those things. I am for letting people be free to choose.

You base views on personal whims. I base views solely on the principle that people should be allowed by the government to do what they want as long as they don't harm the physical person or property of someone else.

 

[Swordsmyth]

I didn't say or even hint that people don't need to be able to defend themselves. I implied no such thing.

You did confirm my point that you think like a progressive. Your view is that you will make someone care about a pet issue. Not wanting to personally own a gun or be around them has zero, zip, zilch, nada, nil to do with liberty. I do not care even a little bit guns. That is in no way shape or form anti-liberty. I do not care about visiting prostitutes. I do not care to use crack or marijuana or vape. I only care that government doesn't restrict those things. I am for letting people be free to choose.

You base views on personal whims. I base views solely on the principle that people should be allowed by the government to do what they want as long as they don't harm the physical person or property of someone else.

Nobody has called for government intervention here, what has been suggested is protests to fight back in the cultural war being waged to ban and demonize guns.

 

[Krugminator2]

Nobody has called for government intervention here, what has been suggested is protests to fight back in the cultural war being waged to ban and demonize guns.

Vandalism isn't protesting. I'm sure Black Lives Matter and Antifa will be happy that you share their views though.

 

[Swordsmyth]

Vandalism isn't protesting. I'm sure Black Lives Matter and Antifa will be happy that you share their views though.

Tell that to the members of the Boston Tea Party.
You said you were a fan of that act of vandalism, or do you just make decisions about protests on personal whims?

Do you own stock in one of the companies waging war on guns?

 

[Krugminator2]

Tell that to the members of the Boston Tea Party.
You said you were a fan of that act of vandalism, or do you just make decisions about protests on personal whims?

Do you own stock in one of the companies waging war on guns?

The Boston Tea Party protested a government law in a practical manner given the distance of travel between the the colonies and Britain. This is vandalizing private property because you don't like their business decision.

I have never made an "investment" in any company let alone the ones currently mentioned.

 

[Swordsmyth]

The Boston Tea Party protested a government law in a practical manner given the distance of travel between the the colonies and Britain. This is vandalizing private property because you don't like their business decision.

I have never made an "investment" in any company let alone the ones currently mentioned.

The Boston Tea Party destroyed private property to protest collusion between the business involved and the tyrannical government.
We are seeing the same kind of collusion between big business and government to demonize guns and push for a ban and the suggested protest is not even directly destroying property.

Had you lived at the time of the Boston Tea Party you would have been one of the Tories who condemned the "radicals", you only support it because you have the benefit of hindsight and the judgement of history.

 

[Anti Federalist]

He stopped me right there and said, "Kid, I want you to go over and sit down on that bench that says 'Group W' ... NOW, KID!!"

And ... and I walked over to the bench there, and there's, there's Group W, where they put you if you may not be moral enough [...] after committin' your special crime. There was all kinds of mean, nasty, ugly-lookin' people on the bench there. There was mother-rapers, father-stabbers, father-rapers! Father-rapers sittin' right there on the bench next to me! And they was mean and nasty and ugly, and horrible [...] guys were sittin' there on the bench, and the meanest, ugliest, nastiest one, the meanest father-raper of them all, was comin' over to me, and he was mean and ugly and nasty and horrible and all kinds of things, and he sat down next to me and said, "Kid ... what'd you get?"

I said, "I didn't get nothin'. I had to pay fifty dollars and [put the groceries back on the shelf]."

He said, "What were you arrested for, kid?" and I said, "[filling up shopping carts with crap that I didn't buy]."

And they all moved away from me on the bench there, with the hairy eyeball and all kinds of mean, nasty things, till I said, "And creatin' a nuisance" and they all came back, shook my hand, and we had a great time on the bench talkin' about crime, mother-stabbin', father-rapin', all kinds of groovy things that we was talkin' about on the bench, and everything was fine [...]

And if two of you do it...they'll think yer both fagggots and they won't take either of you.

 

[Swordsmyth]

Gun rights activists in Texas are testing Walmart’s request not to open-carry in stores by doing just that.
David Amad, the vice president of Open Carry Texas, told The New York Times the 38,000 members of his group have openly carried their guns inside Walmart stores since the retailer announced last week it is “respectfully requesting” customers to no longer openly bring guns into its stores.
He said none of the members who have done so have been asked to leave.



“They are ducking the issue,” Amad told the Times. “They are trying to get the gun haters to leave them alone, while at the same time leave us alone when we carry in their stores.”
A Walmart spokesperson told The Hill that employees are not instructed to approach peaceful shoppers who may be carrying guns in areas where hunting is popular. The goal is to maintain a “non-confrontational approach," the spokesperson said, citing the language Walmart president and CEO Doug McMillion used in last week’s announcement.
However, the spokesperson said the company has provided guidelines for store managers if a customer is making employees or customers uncomfortable. Managers are expected to take the advised protocol for different situations, which in some instances may mean calling law enforcement.

More at: https://thehill.com/homenews/news/4...art-request-not-to-open-carry-guns-into-store
[MENTION=33245]TheTexan[/MENTION]

 

[TheTexan]

Gun rights activists in Texas are testing Walmart’s request not to open-carry in stores by doing just that.
David Amad, the vice president of Open Carry Texas, told The New York Times the 38,000 members of his group have openly carried their guns inside Walmart stores since the retailer announced last week it is “respectfully requesting” customers to no longer openly bring guns into its stores.
He said none of the members who have done so have been asked to leave.

Why would they carry a gun in walmart, there are no deer there. I don't understand these people.