According to the campaign HQ

[USAF Vet Dan]

I just called and talked to "Leslie" at the main RP campaign HQ and ask what the "official" position of the campaign is regarding a potential NH recount. She said they are aware of what is being said in this forum and others but that they had no comment on the issue at this time.

With tomorrow's recount application deadline looming, they'd better make a decision soon or they'll make one by their inaction.

At a minimum, they'd better make an official statement (press release) on this issue. Otherwise, justified dissension is inevitable.

 

[Finn]

Well at least we know they're reading the forum, and hopefully this subforum. I really hate to say it but to me they're spineless at the moment.

 

[phixion]

The campaign are the only ones being logical, rational and who are actually thinking of the consequences of touching this issue...

They can't afford to make quick decisions that may ruin everything.

They don't have that luxury. Please can people stop berating them...

Pete

 

[liberty_Forever]

I have been in contact with higher level campaign officials indirectly. There is no official word. Please continue to gather as much information as possible. (screenshots, local NH ballot printer, etc).

 

[Trigonx]

The campaign are the only ones being logical, rational and who are actually thinking of the consequences of touching this issue...

They can't afford to make quick decisions that may ruin everything.

They don't have that luxury. Please can people stop berating them...

Pete

the campaign has 47 states to worry about right now

 

[dawnbt]

the campaign has 47 states to worry about right now

That we don't have a chance in hell of winning with vote fraud!!

 

[Electric Church]

I just called and talked to "Leslie" at the main RP campaign HQ and ask what the "official" position of the campaign is regarding a potential NH recount. She said they are aware of what is being said in this forum and others but that they had no comment on the issue at this time.

With tomorrow's recount application deadline looming, they'd better make a decision soon or they'll make one by their inaction.

At a minimum, they'd better make an official statement (press release) on this issue. Otherwise, justified dissension is inevitable.

Agreed. I was hoping that today would be the day that they would come out and make a formal statement.

Grassroots is gonna get a recount one way or the other. Hopefully this action will force them to go public.

This has to be acted upon

 

[liberty_Forever]

I'm doing my best to pressure my connections within campaign for recount. We all should be doing this otherwise the vote will just be rigged everywhere else.

 

[muh_roads]

Recount application deadline is tomorrow????

 

[beachmaster]

I'd just like to see more official updates period. On any topic. Seems like the official website is always a day or three behind the times. We are the internet generation...we want our news NOW!

 

[Molly1]

IF ALBERT HOWARD DOES IT I THINK THAT WILL COVER US BECAUSE I THINK HE IS ON THE REPUBLICAN BALLOT AND THAT WILL MAKE THEM RECOUNT THE WHOLE PARTY, INCLUDING US.

That's my understanding of it anyway.

 

[John P Slevin]

take some personal responsibility

That we don't have a chance in hell of winning with vote fraud!!

And do you expect the Ron Paul campaign staff, by themselves, to restore the integrity of our elections?

Why make them the scapegoat for the inadequacy of the American electorate?

Americans have tolerated rigged elections for much of the time there has been a country. Ballot access restrictions, campaign finance regulations, vote counting scams, these ALL are things which the average citizen can and should address personally.

However, you want the Ron Paul campaign to do it.

Personal responsibility. Take some and get others to help. Don't berate the campaign because you have tolerated elected officials and bureacrats who steal elections.

It is NOT the fault of the Ron Paul campaign.

 

[muh_roads]

Recount application deadline is tomorrow????

Can someone answer my question please?

 

[Finn]

Can someone answer my question please?

As far as I know, Yes.

 

[raiha]

How feasible would a national march in Washington to the seats of power specifically around election fraud, including media misrepresentation, be?
All the people from all the marginalized candidates EVER could join this movement including Obama's disenchanted ones! Not focussing on any one candidate.

Easy for me to have brilliant ideas in New Zealand I know. But now is the time for kicking up a ruckus. Four years time is a long time to put up with the status quo. I'm writing to Black Box etc to float this idea.

MSM will never publicize the consternation. it needs to be vociferous, angry (but non-violent) and visible! To the streets I say! To the streets!

 

[USAF Vet Dan]

And do you expect the Ron Paul campaign staff, by themselves, to restore the integrity of our elections?

The candidate can call for the recount and use $65k (the cost to get a recount) of the $28 million we gave them to get this done. Beyond forcing the issue for a fair election, it doesn't take a brain surgeon to see that the publicity from calling for a recount would further fuel public opinion that "they're out to get Ron Paul". This would be a BIG help in Michigan, Nevada, South Carolina, etc.

Ever since NH, I haven't had one canvassing call that said, "I like Ron and I'm going to vote for him". Those that voice a positive opinion of him all say, "I like him but I don't want to waste my vote on somebody who can't win".

It is NOT the fault of the Ron Paul campaign.

It is not the fault of the campaign, but it is their responsibility to demand a recount. Assuming there is sufficient, hard evidence indicating that vote fraud took place, if the campaign doesn't demand a recount, then the campaign is endorsing the fraud - plain and simple.

This same thing happened in the Perot campaign and the same thing happened in the Buchanan campaign - vote fraud left unchallenged by the official campaign killed their chances. Status quo.

If sufficient evidence of vote fraud is ignored by the campaign, then it is a de facto accomplice. For now, I'll stop short of accusing the Ron Paul campaign of complicity. By their fruits ye shall know them. Let's see what kind of fruit they produce.

 

[Molly1]

"I like him but I don't want to waste my vote"

I just got that today from somebody.

Let's show them their vote is not wasted.

Recount every state.

Remember Sutton!

 

[John P Slevin]

personal responsibility

The candidate can call for the recount and use $65k (the cost to get a recount) of the $28 million we gave them to get this done. Beyond forcing the issue for a fair election, it doesn't take a brain surgeon to see that the publicity from calling for a recount would further fuel public opinion that "they're out to get Ron Paul". This would be a BIG help in Michigan, Nevada, South Carolina, etc.

Ever since NH, I haven't had one canvassing call that said, "I like Ron and I'm going to vote for him". Those that voice a positive opinion of him all say, "I like him but I don't want to waste my vote on somebody who can't win".



It is not the fault of the campaign, but it is their responsibility to demand a recount. Assuming there is sufficient, hard evidence indicating that vote fraud took place, if the campaign doesn't demand a recount, then the campaign is endorsing the fraud - plain and simple.

This same thing happened in the Perot campaign and the same thing happened in the Buchanan campaign - vote fraud left unchallenged by the official campaign killed their chances. Status quo.

If sufficient evidence of vote fraud is ignored by the campaign, then it is a de facto accomplice. For now, I'll stop short of accusing the Ron Paul campaign of complicity. By their fruits ye shall know them. Let's see what kind of fruit they produce.

You still don't get it. The responsibility lies with every American. It's our government. You cannot point to others to do what you want done. Do it yourself.

Election fraud isn't new.

I have seen many accusations about vote fraud...much of it coming from people who naively expected Ron Paul to win in Iowa, to win in New Hampshire, etc. I haven't seen proof that fraud existed (and I don't say it didn't happen...Alex Jones is not someone I go to as a first source for anything).

First it was the responsibility of Ron Paul and his campaign staff to get better election results. Now it is their responsibility to clean up our elections.

The constitution provides that states shall manage their own elections. That means it is up to each of us to secure the process.

 

[USAF Vet Dan]

I just received Ron's e-mail to the troops. He said, "Even vote fraud is not beyond these people." But he said nothing of a recount - pro or con.

The deadline for the recall is 5:00 pm EST tomorrow. I have a feeling that if they don't demand a recall or give us a viable reason for not doing so, then at 5:01 pm tomorrow the size of our ranks will be far smaller. Its absurd to expect people to give all their money to the campaign and work their tails off to get the votes just to have them thrown away by some criminal vote fraud bastards!

 

[USAF Vet Dan]

You still don't get it. The responsibility lies with every American. It's our government. You cannot point to others to do what you want done. Do it yourself.

So we who have given $28 million to the campaign are expected to raise, within 24 hours, the $65k required to file for the recount? It is the responsibility of the campaign. Also it is far better from a PR perspective for the campaign to make the demand. Otherwise, the public will see it as just a few people saying "sour grapes".

Don't forget, the demand for a recount should be made ONLY if there is sufficient evidence that vote fraud took place. I've read the posts here but I haven't seen hard evidence. The campaign had the poll watchers... they are the ones who have sufficient info to make this call.

If sufficient evidence doesn't exist, then the RP campaign should declare such. If it does exist, then they should demand a recount. They shouldn't simply ignore the issue and give us more rah rah talks.