According To Supreme Court Precedent, The United States Of America Is A Christian Nation

[acptulsa]

God doesn't need His law to condemn you. He doesn't need to check your browser history or your spiritual worldview.

Meanwhile, the devil isn't going to treat his ilk any better. Never does

 

[Swordsmyth]

Who said I wouldn't eat with them?

Jesus not only ate with them he healed the blind, then said things like, "Now stop sinning or something worse will happen to you."

Keep reading.

Christ had the right to judge, you do not.
You did not merely call for repentance, you judged, you declared Americans as a whole apostates and you declared Trump to be insincere.

 

[Swordsmyth]

... and wizard is here trying to get through to you.

Unfortunately, you're the worst kind of poison server, self-abaser and sinner of all -- a Pharisee.

Don't tell me judge not lest ye be judged. You've judged me to be a godless leftist traitor, and worse, just for pointing out that Trump doesn't keep promises. I'm just proving to you that Jesus was right, and maybe you should listen to Him.

Pointing out that He criticized your behavior doesn't make you righteous when you're pointing the finger at another. It makes you the worst kind of hypocrite.

Me correctly pointing out your politics has nothing to do with him passing judgment on Americans as apostate (as a group yet) or on Trump's sincerity in his profession of Christianity.

 

[Swordsmyth]

Calling the USA a Christian nation is passing judgment on it.

You are fine with judging the USA, but only if that's the verdict. Your problem with WW's judgment isn't that he judges, it's that he reaches a verdict you don't like.

Bunk.

Calling America a Christian nation is a statement of historical fact about the culture and religion of its inhabitants, it doesn't make any claims as to how well they follow it in the positive or negative.

 

[Swordsmyth]

And I would like to point out the spirit in which the whole issue in this thread started.

Historical and legal facts were posted, then someone decided to derail the topic by changing the subject to his personal condemnation of Americans as a group and Trump as insincere, none of which had anything to do with the topic.

 

[wizardwatson]

Christ had the right to judge, you do not.
You did not merely call for repentance, you judged, you declared Americans as a whole apostates and you declared Trump to be insincere.

Luke 6:40 "The student is not above the teacher, but everyone who is fully trained will be like their teacher."

Who told you I had no right to judge things? I know it wasn't ^^ that ^^ guy.

Maybe some false teacher.

I know it wasn't this guy either: "What business is it of mine to judge those outside the church? Are you not to judge those inside?" - Apostle Paul

This is why I keep saying "keep reading", grasshopper. I've queued this video up at timestamp 8:01 that may help illustrate my point:



You really do need to understand the gospel better. God doesn't want to have to come down and judge every trivial matter. He's all about self-governance. But you rebels don't want to be self-governed. You want to do what you want and relegate "Christ" to some dead idol that you honor with crucifixes, and gravestones, and fancy funerals, and tattoos.

But actually do what he said? Well, that's just silly, how would we live?

“The matter is quite simple. The bible is very easy to understand. But we Christians are a bunch of scheming swindlers. We pretend to be unable to understand it because we know very well that the minute we understand, we are obliged to act accordingly. Take any words in the New Testament and forget everything except pledging yourself to act accordingly. My God, you will say, if I do that my whole life will be ruined. How would I ever get on in the world? Herein lies the real place of Christian scholarship. Christian scholarship is the Church’s prodigious invention to defend itself against the Bible, to ensure that we can continue to be good Christians without the Bible coming too close. Oh, priceless scholarship, what would we do without you? Dreadful it is to fall into the hands of the living God. Yes it is even dreadful to be alone with the New Testament.”
― Søren Kierkegaard

I'm perfectly capable of judging Trump and this nation in a Christian context.

It seems like you have never really been taught the gospel.

 

[wizardwatson]

And I would like to point out the spirit in which the whole issue in this thread started.

Historical and legal facts were posted, then someone decided to derail the topic by changing the subject to his personal condemnation of Americans as a group and Trump as insincere, none of which had anything to do with the topic.

In another thread, where I posted historical and legal facts about the Supreme Court upholding free speech for non-citizens, you said that was just "commie judges".

But here, you want to cry about derailment, which makes sense.

You want the label of "Christ" but you want to cast out the Christian opinion.

People might call you hypocrite, but you definitely are consistent.

 

[Swordsmyth]

Luke 6:40 "The student is not above the teacher, but everyone who is fully trained will be like their teacher."

Who told you I had no right to judge things? I know it wasn't ^^ that ^^ guy.

Maybe some false teacher.

I know it wasn't this guy either: "What business is it of mine to judge those outside the church? Are you not to judge those inside?" - Apostle Paul

This is why I keep saying "keep reading", grasshopper. I've queued this video up at timestamp 8:01 that may help illustrate my point:



You really do need to understand the gospel better. God doesn't want to have to come down and judge every trivial matter. He's all about self-governance. But you rebels don't want to be self-governed. You want to do what you want and relegate "Christ" to some dead idol that you honor with crucifixes, and gravestones, and fancy funerals, and tattoos.

But actually do what he said? Well, that's just silly, how would we live?

“The matter is quite simple. The bible is very easy to understand. But we Christians are a bunch of scheming swindlers. We pretend to be unable to understand it because we know very well that the minute we understand, we are obliged to act accordingly. Take any words in the New Testament and forget everything except pledging yourself to act accordingly. My God, you will say, if I do that my whole life will be ruined. How would I ever get on in the world? Herein lies the real place of Christian scholarship. Christian scholarship is the Church’s prodigious invention to defend itself against the Bible, to ensure that we can continue to be good Christians without the Bible coming too close. Oh, priceless scholarship, what would we do without you? Dreadful it is to fall into the hands of the living God. Yes it is even dreadful to be alone with the New Testament.”
― Søren Kierkegaard

I'm perfectly capable of judging Trump and this nation in a Christian context.

It seems like you have never really been taught the gospel.

You are confusing the different kinds of judgment.
We all make judgments about all sorts of things, what we are commanded not to do is pass judgment on others because we are not perfect and omniscient.
You do not get to declare Americans as whole apostate, nor do you get to declare Trump to not be sincere.

 

[Swordsmyth]

In another thread, where I posted historical and legal facts about the Supreme Court upholding free speech for non-citizens, you said that was just "commie judges".

But here, you want to cry about derailment, which makes sense.

You want the label of "Christ" but you want to cast out the Christian opinion.

People might call you hypocrite, but you definitely are consistent.

You made an appeal to authority to try to back up your position on the subject of derailment, I assailed the validity of the authority you appealed to, that is staying on topic and debating it, it is not jumping into a topic and shifting it to malign Americans just so you can feel self righteous.

 

[wizardwatson]

You are confusing the different kinds of judgment.
We all make judgments about all sorts of things, what we are commanded not to do is pass judgment on others because we are not perfect and omniscient.
You do not get to declare Americans as whole apostate, nor do you get to declare Trump to not be sincere.

I am not confusing anything.

Saying that we cannot "pass judgement on others because we are not perfect and omniscient" is incorrect and unbiblical.

I can do both of those things, per plain biblical text.

Anti-Christians 100% don't want people to judge who is or isn't a Christian. Then everyone gets to be one and there is no standard and we're all on the same level.

This is not even an original thought, God has been annoyed by it since before Christ:

Malachi 2:17 "You have wearied the LORD with your words. “How have we wearied him?” you ask. By saying, “All who do evil are good in the eyes of the LORD, and he is pleased with them” or “Where is the God of justice?”

 

[wizardwatson]

You made an appeal to authority to try to back up your position on the subject of derailment, I assailed the validity of the authority you appealed to, that is staying on topic and debating it, it is not jumping into a topic and shifting it to malign Americans just so you can feel self righteous.

Do you worship Americans? I thought you hated most of them (since most of them do not have a favorable opinion of Trump)

The truth is you really want that Christian label, and you're salty I'm not letting you have it.

Call me self-righteous all you want. You aren't going to win the moral argument, but I'm sure you'll bury me with all your high quality posts.

 

[Swordsmyth]

Do you worship Americans? I thought you hated most of them (since most of them do not have a favorable opinion of Trump)

The truth is you really want that Christian label, and you're salty I'm not letting you have it.

Call me self-righteous all you want. You aren't going to win the moral argument, but I'm sure you'll bury me with all your high quality posts.

You're delusional.

I leave you to GOD to be judged as you judge.

 

[wizardwatson]

You're delusional.

I leave you to GOD to be judged as you judge.

Amen. May I be saved by the preaching of the Word of God.