Absolute cheapest firearms?

[ConstitutionReinstitution]

YOU DO NOT WANT A RIFLE FOR HOME DEFENSE. You run the risk of hitting family members (and neighbors) as the high power rifle rounds will easily penetrate walls.

If you get a pistol, get the specialty ammo like Glazer that is made for the purpose of home defense and is designed not to over-penetrate.

My recommendation is a Remington 12 gauge 870 pump shotgun, loaded with number 1 buck shells. get a version (they sell many versions) with the long magazine, that is, will hold 6 or 7 shells, plus one in the chamber, and get the short, 18 1/2" barrel. You can get a model with a folding stock, or get the one you want with a regular stock, and just change the stock out with a good aftermarket folding stock. You want a short barrel and folding stock for maneuverability of close quarters in the home.

The Remington 870 shotgun is the most popular shotgun of law enforcement, and has been since forever, so should be able to pick one up used.

Here are two models offered by Remington that would fill your need:

http://www.remington.com/products/firearms/premier_dealer_exclusives/model_870_folding_stock_7-shot_Extension.asp
http://www.remington.com/products/firearms/shotguns/model_870/model_870_marine_magnum.asp

Be warned that this shotgun will kick.

You can shoot rifled slugs through a shotgun if you want to take game like deer. Make sure the choke your shotgun has (doesn't have) will allow this.

An "Open Cylinder" choke is the best for short range with shot as that gives max shot dispersal. Decreases your ability to reach out and get the birds compared to the other chokes, though, but you want it for home defense.

BTW this is not the cheapest solution. You do not want to stake your life on the cheapest solution. Find the money.

Hope this helps

 

[voortrekker]

Hmm... I may just have to start off with this:
http://www.walmart.com/catalog/product.do?product_id=2684921

Looks like a good intro/practice gun. Big brother will know I have it, but it wouldn't be a huge loss if they took it, as I'll hopefully have something better stashed away eventually.

Nope.

You said you are on a tight budget, right?

You can buy an SKS for 150-200 bucks.

Why would want to buy a .22, when you can buy a rifle that will put foe down with one shot?

A .22 won't do this. As a practice tool, the .22 is the best. For defense, not good.

Did I mention that time is short?

 

[mrwomp]

if you want a pistol go for hipoint it is very cheap with a great warranty first or 50th owner all parts fixed/replaced free i have the 9mm put around 800 rounds in it and have yet to get a jam

just a suggestion

 

[tangent4ronpaul]

...paranoia about being invaded by Al Queda parachutists wanting to steal our moonshine and our chickens.

God I love this forum some days - what a line!

-n

 

[tangent4ronpaul]

Hmm... I may just have to start off with this:
http://www.walmart.com/catalog/product.do?product_id=2684921

Looks like a good intro/practice gun. Big brother will know I have it, but it wouldn't be a huge loss if they took it, as I'll hopefully have something better stashed away eventually.

MISTAKE!!!!!!!!!!!

The problem is the point of purchase. Walmart low balls suppliers and has "special" Walmart versions made that are inferior to the same product bought anywhere else, so they can be super cheap. This is NOT a quality you want in a self defense firearm!

-n

 

[the_british_are_coming]

personally, i think your order should be:

-Shotgun (Mossberg. Cheaper, more readily available. Yes, Remington offers a similar model, but it is more expensive for the exact same thing.)
-Pistol (Used is good, but don't get a Hi-Point. Spend a little more and look at both revolvers (S&W .38 can be had cheap) and semi-autos. Take your time to find a deal, and shoot before you buy!)
-Rifle.


From what you've said, both "budget" and "home defense" this should be the better way to go. A rifle (especially one of those moisin's... have you looked at their size?) is a little big to manuever in a house, whereas the Mossberg is available with an 18 inch barrel, much easier to manuever... Pistol as secondary, not as powerful, but easier to handle...

For ammunition, standard buckshot is fine, as well as standard Jacketed Hollow Points for the handgun. Glaser is overpriced, ineffective, and overpriced. (not to beat a dead horse...) for more info on ammunition, check out www.theboxotruth.com. Real world tests of ammo, firearms, and cars.

Anyway, good luck, and try before you buy!

 

[jkm1864]

I would get a vector arms Ak-47 if the issue was price. The rifle will run You mid 700's price range but You can find the bullets at ww.cheaperthandirt.com for about 25 cents a shell. I would recomend this because a AK-47 is very reliable and has a great shell. Also the ammo is pretty cheap so it would be nothing to hide away 1000 rounds with You're rifle ..... I would also venture to say the SK-S is alot cheaper and fires the same round but I do not know how accurate it is.

 

[DarkLaw]

Used Glock .40 or 9mm

Can be found for $300 most places.


That or a Romanian Ak47 knock-off.
You can find brand new AK variants for about $200-300 as well,
will several mags included.

But whatEvER you do...don't go and buy one of those $150 'new' handguns,
like a Hi-Point or Jenkins, etc. Buy at least decent quality because when you buy crap,
you will be crying when it breaks or consistently jams due to poor standards.

Something reputable, but used.
That's the advice of a police officer.

A Used GLock, to me, is more reliable and can be shot much better
than a brand new S&W Sigma or any of the S&W, other than the M&P model, which is pricey for your budget.

Get a Glock, shotgun, or AK47 variant. All can be bought for under $300.

Cheers!

 

[DarkLaw]

if you want a pistol go for hipoint it is very cheap with a great warranty first or 50th owner all parts fixed/replaced free i have the 9mm put around 800 rounds in it and have yet to get a jam

just a suggestion

See above.

NEVER buy something like a Hi-Point unless you consider actually
clubbing someone WITH the gun as self-defense when it breaks.

If the Nation gets to the point where you NEED a gun, for the reasons you stated -
such as civilian disarmament or similar, then you won't be able to CALL the factory and get 'replacement' parts shipped or anything of the nature.

Screw a 'warranty' and buy a used QUALITY gun.

BUY ONCE, CRY ONCE!
Just remember, you are putting your life on the line when you choose a weapon.
Do you trust it?

 

[manny229]

That or a Romanian Ak47 knock-off.
You can find brand new AK variants for about $200-300 as well,
will several mags included.


Get a Glock, shotgun, or AK47 variant. All can be bought for under $300.

Cheers!

Is a Russian made AK any better than an Romanian?

 

[AisA1787]

YOU DO NOT WANT A RIFLE FOR HOME DEFENSE. You run the risk of hitting family members (and neighbors) as the high power rifle rounds will easily penetrate walls.

...lots of guns will penetrate walls, if you're talking about standard drywall with pine studs. If they didn't, they wouldn't be all that effective against people... Some penetrate more than others. Here's info if you're interested:

The purpose of the Box O' Truth is to test the penetration of various rounds.

There is only one way to know how much a certain round penetrates.

You must shoot it into a medium and see for a fact.

http://www.theboxotruth.com/

From the drywall-specific test:

http://www.theboxotruth.com/docs/bot1.htm

"First, I shot it with my M-17 S&W, .22 LR HP. It penetrated 6 sheets and bounced off the seventh sheet.
That would be the equivalent of 3 interior walls.
And that's only a .22 pistol."

 

[SpamBots Attack!!!]

The Practical Home Arsenal-In my opinion

First purchase- Shotgun, pump, 12 ga. add flashlight
first priority, protect the home
Second purchase- .22 cal Rifle add scope
enhance your marksmanship
Third and Final? (your choice) purchase- Bolt action Mosin-Nagant add scope
ammunition, ammunition, and oh yes more ammunition
Be ready at a moments notice to defend your Liberty
From that point on, just practice at the range with the .22, and purchase more ammunition for the Mosin. Trust me, it might be "sexy" owning a military style semi-automatic rifle. But when the time comes, if youve practiced with a .22 on a regular basis, you can do amazing things with that bolt action 7.64x54 with a scope on it. After you use this list for putting your mind at ease, then save up for the SuperSpiff Flame Throwing Destructo 5000 you've always wanted

 

[the_british_are_coming]

Ummm...

Practicing with a .22 will not make you a wizard with a large bore rifle you haven't practiced with. It will make you proficient with a .22 rifle, since that's what you've been practicing. It will give you a good base to move up, but it will not magically transfer your abilities.

Practice with what you will depend on! PERIOD!!!

If anyone you are discussing firearms with mentions the word "sexy," move quickly away from them, and talk only with people who have credibility, and don't watch too many movies/tv shows. also, Super Spiffy Trendo 2000 is not exactly a good way to refer to any weapon. Maturity = a plus...

Training is the most important part of what you are starting. Buy the best gun you can, and save for professional training. (pm for references, i won't name drop here) What you can do with a gun is more important that what gun you have. Good Luck.

 

[t3rmin]

Well I'm sure there are some parts of shooting skill that are more universal. But obviously you'd want to get appreciable practice with each gun.

 

[madengr]

I'm surprised no one has mentioned CZ handguns. I don't have one, but know many that do and they are very reliable at a fair price. Although the price has come up since they are gaining popularity, I would think you can get a used CZ75B for the low $300's.

http://www.cz-usa.com/

Definitely stay away from High Point, Jennings, etc..

I'd also stick with 9mm as it's about 1/2 the cost of .45 ammo, and less than .40 or .38.

I would also get a handgun first since it's more versatile for personal defense. 90% of all shootings happen at 3' distance or under. Also look into getting your CCW license.

 

[maeqFREEDOMfree]

for some reason i forgot to mention this until now.

Check out the Springfield XD - if it's a gun you like, you may be interested to know that it's manufactured by a Croatian company with the title "HS 2000" Springfield basically imports this gun and stamps it with their company seal and then jacks the price up. it's a great gun and if you buy the "non-Springfield" model, you should be able to save

 

[the_british_are_coming]

some people would recommend the springfield xd... nothing wrong with that gun in and of itself...

but it is a *copy* of the Glock. a copy that adds unnecessary parts, and has a higher bore axis. (i.e. more recoil from the same round...)

i'm not a "fanboy..." i'm an individual who did a lot of research before i spent a lot of money.


which is my advice. research. test. make your own decisions. good luck.