Absolute cheapest firearms?

[Vancouverite90210]

"Just get a caliber big enough to stop whoever is coming at you and that's what you need."

Yes that's it!!!! A real revolution...before the fascist Republican neocons take ALL your freedoms away. Here they come....the Office of Homeland Stupidity:

ACTUALLY.....I've been all around the world and I think now that the USA is by far the LEAST safe and least fun to live in because of all the guns, crime, drugs, paranoia about being invaded by Al Queda parachutists wanting to steal our moonshine and our chickens.

Will Americans ever learn that in order to get America back you must get the drug addicts into mandatory re-hab and put the pushers to death like they do in Singapore and Malaysia where they have free socieities with negligible crime? I think the problem with America is too much freedom. Legalizing drugs isn't going to make them affordable to the down and outers who use them so the crime will get worse as it has in Holland where they are now going the other direction after generations of permissiveness. We wouldn't need firearms if we got this problem under control finally. Meanwhile it must be great fun living in America. The paranoia is so thick you can cut it with a bayonet....and you have the BEST place on Earth? OK if you say so lol

 

[amy31416]

Exactly. However, if you're hunting something that's going to be flying in the air, of you'd course want a shotgun. Shotguns are also good if you're hunting running rabbits or turkey. You can also use slugs for a shotgun if you wanted to hunt, for example, a deer. Your range won't be nearly as good compared to a rifle you'd normally use to hunt deer with though.

A shotgun is the best thing for home defense.

Thanks for the info. It's all pretty interesting and I'll definitely try to get one of all three.

 

[GoDrNo]

The Mossberg 500 series is supposed to be a wonderful weapon for the price, $300 or less, you can get it in 12g or 20g, with a wide variety of stocks and magazine capacities.

 

[youngbuck]

The Mossberg 500 series is supposed to be a wonderful weapon for the price, $300 or less, you can get it in 12g or 20g, with a wide variety of stocks and magazine capacities.

Yep... same goes for the Remington 870 and Winchester 1300.

 

[Malum Prohibitum]

"Just get a caliber big enough to stop whoever is coming at you and that's what you need."

Yes that's it!!!! A real revolution...before the fascist Republican neocons take ALL your freedoms away. Here they come....the Office of Homeland Stupidity:

ACTUALLY.....I've been all around the world and I think now that the USA is by far the LEAST safe and least fun to live in because of all the guns, crime, drugs, paranoia about being invaded by Al Queda parachutists wanting to steal our moonshine and our chickens.

Will Americans ever learn that in order to get America back you must get the drug addicts into mandatory re-hab and put the pushers to death like they do in Singapore and Malaysia where they have free socieities with negligible crime? I think the problem with America is too much freedom. Legalizing drugs isn't going to make them affordable to the down and outers who use them so the crime will get worse as it has in Holland where they are now going the other direction after generations of permissiveness. We wouldn't need firearms if we got this problem under control finally. Meanwhile it must be great fun living in America. The paranoia is so thick you can cut it with a bayonet....and you have the BEST place on Earth? OK if you say so lol

I think you are on the wrong forum...

 

[pcosmar]

I think you are on the wrong forum...

And the wrong country..

 

[voortrekker]

If you are on a really tight budget, I would absolutely recommend getting the semi-automatic SKS.

I would get this first. It will come with a ten round clip. You can buy a 30 round clip for it too.

Ammo for the SKS is relatively cheap.

For home defense, like in you home, the shotgun cannot be beat.

The shortcomings of a shotgun is its effectiveness at distance. About 40 yards is all you are gonna get.(Unless you are shooting slugs, then 100 yards). With a rifle you will get much more distance. The SKS, out to 300 yards.

So, the shotgun is the next one I would get. Feed it buck-shot.

Then get a pistol.

I am trying to put myself in your shoes. "I am on a tight budget I need a firearm to defend my family and myself in my home and possibly outside my home."

Absolutely, know doubt about, get a SKS.

You will probably get one cheaper at a gunshow, also look in your newspaper classifieds section.

I also recommend having at least 200-300 rounds for the SKS or whatever your "go to rifle" may be.

For gosh sakes, please practice with it at local range too.


Respectfully,



Brett

 

[damoncrowe]

You are right on the order of purchases. You should be able to find a used shotgun in the classifieds or at a pawn shop. The problem is you need to know what to look for. Take someone with you that has extensive knowledge of firearms. I have seen several semi-auto shotguns that do not work properly. Pump is probably your best choice there. Mossberg has been mentioned here and it is usually an affordable used pump shotgun. Happy shopping.

 

[Matt]

You are right on the order of purchases. You should be able to find a used shotgun in the classifieds or at a pawn shop. The problem is you need to know what to look for. Take someone with you that has extensive knowledge of firearms. I have seen several semi-auto shotguns that do not work properly. Pump is probably your best choice there. Mossberg has been mentioned here and it is usually an affordable used pump shotgun. Happy shopping.

I agree, you can get a Maverick 88 pump shotgun at Wal-Mart brand new for around $175 (I think they might have gone up since I last looked). It's basically an entry level version of the Mossberg 500, the only differences are the safety location and the finish isn't as nice. I've never shot a Maverick but I have a 500 and I wouldn't hesitate to recommend one. You can find used 500's for pretty cheap if you look around but I would probably just go for a new Maverick.

For a rifle get definitely get an SKS there's really no question. Just make sure you get a good one.

For a handgun it depends if you want to carry concealed or not. I would get one small enough that you could since you already have a shotgun for home defense. I don't like revolvers but cheap semi-auto pistols are a real crapshoot (pun intended ) so you have to be really careful and try before you buy. Check out a Kel-Tec P11, they're well proven and you can find them for around $200.

 

[Crickett]

Go to a pawn shop and buy a shotgun. A few years ago I got a sawed off shotgun (1/4" of being illegal) for $65.00

 

[Dave39168]

If you only get one gun for inside AND OUTSIDE the home go for a rifle, SKS is best for the budget. A shotgun is better for strictly in the home setting, but if one gun must cover both go with a rifle. I have a chinease SKS that i have had for over ten years. Its a great gun no problems with it. It is capable of dropping deer too, if that comes up.

Secondly, its sounds as though you haven't done a lot of shooting. the most important thing you will do is learn to shoot properly. Learn how to safely handle a firearm. A trusted, experienced friend can show you this. Or there are classes you can take. Either way do not go into this blind, one mistake with a gun is one mistake too many. It takes muc practice handling a gun safely until it become second nature.

Also, practice your marksmanship a LOT. Your gun might be accurate for 250-300 yards, but if you haven't practiced this, and aren't comfortable shooting at this range, then it doesn't matter how accurate the gun is. a lot of ammo will be needed to get comfortable shooting.

I know budget is an issue, but it would be great to buy a .22 rifle as well to learn shooting skills. Ammo is dirt cheap for them, though they aren't extremely effective on anything except small game. you AND your wife could learn to shoot together using the .22 without breaking the bank. (Get her involved and she might be more excited about purchasing more arms?) Being comfortable with shooting is very important.

If you do decide to go with a shotgun, I'd recomend a used remington 870 or a used mossberg 500. these pump guns are really reliable.
It is great that you have decided to arm yourself! learn to shoot safe, shoot often and get comfortable with it.

 

[Vancouverite90210]

And the wrong country..

I'm not arguing that point but I am saying that so far all the guns owned by the public have almost never been used on government authorities even though there is good reason for this to have happened thousands of time so what good are they? They are no good because the fascists have already taken over our government without a bullet being fired. Instead we have millions of paranoid Americans with guns who haven't a clue how to live in freedom like over half the world and virtually all of the free world does without the help of the self imposed policemen of the world. I can tell you for a certainty that you cannot find one free world country whose people support what Americas are trying to do and this is the main reason why Ron Paul is right that America needs to butt out and close all of its bases around the world. Now its citizens will soon find that they will be welcomed by the world instead of despised by it so essentially guns would be unnecessary except to fight crime.

You see we don't really need creeps like Rambo

when we have Ronbo defending us

 

[pcosmar]

I'm not arguing that point but I am saying that so far all the guns owned by the public have almost never been used on government authorities even though there is good reason for this to have happened thousands of time so what good are they? They are no good because the fascists have already taken over our government without a bullet being fired. Instead we have millions of paranoid Americans with guns who haven't a clue how to live in freedom like over half the world and virtually all of the free world does without the help of the self imposed policemen of the world. I can tell you for a certainty that you cannot find one free world country whose people support what Americas are trying to do and this is the main reason why Ron Paul is right that America needs to butt out and close all of its bases around the world. Now its citizens will soon find that they will be welcomed by the world instead of despised by it so essentially guns would be unnecessary except to fight crime.

There have been good reasons for a uprising, That is true. However,
1.Most Americans are Peace loving people and don't want to take it to that level if it can be avoided.
2. There was/is a small group of people that are aware of the Evil in Our Government, and were preparing for this.
3. Through Propaganda and Disinformation those Americans that are aware are persecuted, including Prosecution on trumped up charges, and casting the Militia as evil.
4. We are seeking a peaceful solution first. Violence , though at times necessary, is to be avoided. If enough people see that there is no other choice, or if the Government pushes too far, it will happen.

"There are four boxes to be used in defense of liberty:
soap, ballot, jury, and ammo. Please use in that order."
-Ed Howdershelt (Author)

 

[Matt]

I'm not arguing that point but I am saying that so far all the guns owned by the public have almost never been used on government authorities even though there is good reason for this to have happened thousands of time so what good are they? They are no good because the fascists have already taken over our government without a bullet being fired. Instead we have millions of paranoid Americans with guns who haven't a clue how to live in freedom like over half the world and virtually all of the free world does without the help of the self imposed policemen of the world. I can tell you for a certainty that you cannot find one free world country whose people support what Americas are trying to do and this is the main reason why Ron Paul is right that America needs to butt out and close all of its bases around the world. Now its citizens will soon find that they will be welcomed by the world instead of despised by it so essentially guns would be unnecessary except to fight crime.

You see we don't really need creeps like Rambo

I kind of see your point but giving up our guns would just give the fascist government more power so it seems kind of stupid not to try to hang on to them.

BTW, Stallone is a pansy ass gun grabber. He thinks the government should go door to door confiscating guns Nazi style.

 

[t3rmin]

Keep in mind that if you buy your gun at a store or show where they take your personal information, and/or if your register it, your name will be "on the list" so to speak when the government declares martial law during an emergency and begins confiscating weapens. For your own protection of course, e.g., what FEMA did down in Louisiana after Hurricane Katrina. Some states like New Hampshire are trying to block this from happening (http://www.renewamerica.us/columns/huston/060110), but in today's world, the federal government trumps state government, so I'm not sure how well these attempts will work.

There are lots of guns out there that are "off the books", for example maybe your grandfather or father has an old rifle or shotgun that wasn't registered. But if you somehow obtain one of these off the books firearms, and at the same time buy a new one from a store or show, or register a new one, be prepared to hide that old "off the books" gun very, very well in case of a Katrina-like situation.

I know this sounds paranoid, but I'm just putting it out there for you to think about.

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[t3rmin]

Secondly, its sounds as though you haven't done a lot of shooting. the most important thing you will do is learn to shoot properly. Learn how to safely handle a firearm. A trusted, experienced friend can show you this. Or there are classes you can take. Either way do not go into this blind, one mistake with a gun is one mistake too many. It takes muc practice handling a gun safely until it become second nature.

Also, practice your marksmanship a LOT. Your gun might be accurate for 250-300 yards, but if you haven't practiced this, and aren't comfortable shooting at this range, then it doesn't matter how accurate the gun is. a lot of ammo will be needed to get comfortable shooting.

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[t3rmin]

I agree, you can get a Maverick 88 pump shotgun at Wal-Mart brand new for around $175 (I think they might have gone up since I last looked). It's basically an entry level version of the Mossberg 500, the only differences are the safety location and the finish isn't as nice. I've never shot a Maverick but I have a 500 and I wouldn't hesitate to recommend one. You can find used 500's for pretty cheap if you look around but I would probably just go for a new Maverick.

Now that's what I'm looking for. I don't mind off-brands and such. Not concerned with finish and whatnot as long as it functions well.

 

[Original_Intent]

SKS or Mosin M44! Both are very excellent weapons givin the rediculously cheap price.

SKS (semi-auto)=$150-200
M44 (bolt action)=$70-90

I would get a rifle first, then a pistol, and then a shotgun last. A rifle is the most effective weapon, this is why soldiers carry them. You can get a crate of 10 Mosin M44's for around $700.

Order you stuff here:
www.aimsurplus.com

and then just send them the info of a nearby gunstore for them to ship to.

I agree with the above order.

The rifle is going to be a great gun for getting food and protection before the enemy is in your face.

The pistol not so great for hunting, it's a close range weapon but it is concealable. A lot less conspicuous than packing a rifle or shotgun around.

Shotgun you are back to a gun that can provide food by hunting small game at a relatively close range. It's good protection at close range because you don't have to be super accurate. A handgun is a lot harder to hit a target at 20 yards, especially if it is moving.

For the rifle, I would recommend getting a scope with it. I have a 30-30 lever action which is nice, but I really have a hard time with the open sights at farther distances.

A nice cheap handgun is the Ruger 9mm I love mine.

I don't have a shotgun yet, but my wife and I both have a rifle and a handgun. A shotgun is really a ways down our list.

 

[t3rmin]

Hmm... I may just have to start off with this:
http://www.walmart.com/catalog/product.do?product_id=2684921

Looks like a good intro/practice gun. Big brother will know I have it, but it wouldn't be a huge loss if they took it, as I'll hopefully have something better stashed away eventually.

 

[t3rmin]

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