A warning

[ronpaulblogsdotcom]

utrunner07 , you are dead wrong. Paul would pull out of Iraq in a heart beat if president, he has said this himself several times.

And you obviously have no clue about what Ron Paul says about the theory of blowback and how terrorists attack us because we OCCUPY THEIR LANDS!!!! Oh and it costs us 400 million dollars plus a day to stay in Iraq. So how does leaving Iraq immediately hurt us again?

Come on nbhadja isnt it worth two dollars a day to you to see your friends, family, and neighbors killed and maimed? Not to mention all the Iraqis.

Imagine if they had to go door to door to get that money. "Umm ya we are here again this week. We need $60 to kill Iraqis for Oil companies, since you have 4 people in your family. Can you pay us now? We can take a check"

 

[LibertyInJeopardy]

The original post was very preachy but was basically saying to act diplomatically (as far as I choose to look into it). Hardly something to get all huffy about.

I disagree with Ron Paul on several points. I don't think anyone really believes 100% agreement with Ron Paul the man is a requirement to admire him nor to support the principles he stands for. As for the other candidates and their supporters, I will always behave with reasonable civility toward a fellow human being with whom I disagree especially if they attempt the same toward me. If I hate them it will be all that much more difficult to eventually get them to listen. If they are completely unreasonable and show hatred toward me though, then I will inevitably want to either ignore them or get them the hell away from me so I can talk to someone else.

 

[nobody's_hero]

Ron Paul, August 5, 2007:

"Just come home. We just marched in, we can just march out."

 

[rprprs]

Ron Paul, August 5, 2007:

"Just come home. We just marched in, we can just march out."

It needed to be stated again. It's the only reasonable solution to that unmitigated debacle. Unequivocal.

 

[DeanToPaulIn4Years]

hey, i'm just a nobody, but i was at the march and i'd like to apologize for aggressively speaking out (prior to the march) against the truthers. i believe nothing they say about 9/11 but i actually enjoyed having them there. it felt like a more complete representation of the beliefs of the people involved.

however, even when i was saying that truthers should lay low at the march, my justification was that they were acting against Ron Paul's expressed wishes, and they were.

so i was speaking out against a position that Ron Paul spoke out against, while this dope is speaking out against the position Ron Paul holds, and he puts together this diatribe?

dude, fuck you. if i see you at a future event, get away from me, because i have no doubt that you're an annoying control freak dickhead. actually, better yet come up and say hi so i can walk away from you to your face.

 

[IRO-bot]

^^^ Wierd post.

Anyways, UT. Please explain how if we leave Iraq will be in chaos. Also use some sources and professionals on that matter. (I'll bet if you dig deep enough, you will find that the same people saying that are the same that said Iraq will be a cake walk, they will welcome us, and that the oil will pay for the war).

We left Vietnam quickly. It was a little messy but it turned out great.

 

[DeanToPaulIn4Years]

^^^ Wierd post.

Anyways, UT. Please explain how if we leave Iraq will be in chaos. Also use some sources and professionals on that matter. (I'll bet if you dig deep enough, you will find that the same people saying that are the same that said Iraq will be a cake walk, they will welcome us, and that the oil will pay for the war).

We left Vietnam quickly. It was a little messy but it turned out great.

^^ wierd. feeding the UT-troll. nice job, dummy.

 

[IRO-bot]

^^ wierd. feeding the UT-troll. nice job, dummy.

It's a good troll feeding. I love listening to people mumble about how Iraq would fall apart. It is very entertaining.

 

[LibertyInJeopardy]

My personal belief on Iraq is that we put our troops in the service of the Iraqi people when we arrogantly invaded.

When we left Vietnam, a horrible genocide against democratic supporters and other enemies of the power opportunists commenced in earnest.

We created a duty to the people of Iraq by our destabilizing their country and attracting an influx of terrible murderers, zealots, and power hungry opportunists. We leave when they want us to leave by democtratic vote or at least representative vote. That is our penance and the extent of our duty, now that the mistake has been made. Fortunately, they want us to leave soon.

 

[MoneyWhereMyMouthIs2]

I have watched the "revolution" take several downward turns in the past several months....

Number one Iraq is NOT Vietnam....I am sick of Paul supporters focusing on Iraq...in the big scheme of things Iraq is not that big of deal...we are in Iraq and if any one believe we should pull out immediately you are not smart and need to keep your mouth shut so that the rest of the Paul Campaign does not look like a bunch of Vietnam protester wanna be's becuase thats what many people are coming.

Two, the level of hatred from many Paul supporters is disturbing....we hate bush...we hate McCain...we hate we hate....Democrats hate, liberals hate and it is very disturbing and disgusting to watch how much they hate things. There is NO reason for the increasing levels of hate...when this movement began there was no hate and there was no personal attacks...now some of the newer more vocal members are bringing this more and more into the mainstream of the Paul movement...it needs to stop...before this turns into a campaign run on hate, which will NEVER succeeded.

Three, to the conspiracy theorists....you may be right...there may be men in black listening to your every word and plotting a one world government...but SHUT UP!!!! you come off as quacks to 99.99% of the American public and when they hear you spewing your CFR theories they automatically tune you out, right or wrong, and thank well Ron Paul supporters are nuts I don't want to have anything to do with that. I have seen it numerous times! Again you may be right no reason to argue that, who cares it does not really matter....our focus needs to be to get Paul more support, not to spread seemingly far out conspiracy theories!

And Four, for the up coming convention, ACT WITH CLASS!!!!!!!!!! This can not be stressed enough, we don't need sit ins, we don't need violent protests, we don't need offensive slogans or hate filled slogans, we don't need any of that crap! Lets use our brains....lets focus on all of the good things Paul brings, smaller government, more personal freedom etc. Don't go constantly bashing McCain, focus on Paul. Don't focus on Iraq, don't focus on your latest theory on Bush and the CFR don't focus on hate! Don't focus on a revolution, though this is in a way a revolution, again the masses are scared and think Paul supporters are right wing nuts because they want a revolution....FOCUS ON WHAT PAUL CAN DO TO IMPROVE THIS COUNTRY NOT WHAT OTHERS ARE DOING TO BRING IT DOWN....

Finally a word of warning the rehash the first point because this is where things seem to be going more and more...this is not the 60s...Iraq is not Vietnam...the troops are not, and SHOULD NOT come home immediately, even Paul recognizes that....quit holding war protests and speaking as if this is Vietnam, it alienates some of our closest supporters.

That's the most annoying thng I've read in awhile. Head on over to Iraq if you like, and use your own money for it. You think it's needed? You pay for it yourself. Your theft of my money for it is bullshit.

And I'm not going to lie about how I feel to pacify some "closet supporters." WTF are they doing to help anyway? Nothing apparently.

 

[V-rod]

I agree with most of utrunner's comments.

Seeing how many "Constitutionalist Republicans" we can get in office in the next 8 years will be one of the major litmus tests of the Revolution.

If we do not achieve that objective, we have at least given Ron Paul a public voice and some political clout. I do not think many people will follow the non-interventionist philosophy, but he made a significant impact in the public with raising awareness of monetary policy (the major reason he ran for office).

 

[Anti Federalist]

I agree with most of utrunner's comments.

Seeing how many "Constitutionality Republicans" we can get in office in the next 8 years will be one of the major litmus tests of the Revolution.

If we do not achieve that objective, we have at least given Ron Paul a public voice and some political clout. I do not think many people will follow the non-interventionist philosophy, but he made a significant impact in the public with raising awareness of monetary policy (the major reason he ran for office).

If you change the monetary policy, then you have changed the foreign policy as well.

Without cheap money, the fed, and the borrowing that goes with, you couldn't fund the wars.

Hence you will have no effective change of monetary policy until both are addressed.

 

[V-rod]

If you change the monetary policy, then you have changed the foreign policy as well.

Without cheap money, the fed, and the borrowing that goes with, you couldn't fund the wars.

Hence you will have no effective change of monetary policy until both are addressed.

Or you could cut 50% of the federal budget and just fund a war or two .

 

[V-rod]

http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showthread.php?t=46106

Oh, Memories

 

[dannno]

utrunner,

While your strategy will get many votes, it will also lose many potential votes. Your strategy works well with existing conservative republicans who want real conservatism and have had the wool pulled over their eyes.

On the other hand, about 60-70% of the population does not support the war. Ron Paul has said that the war in Iraq is the BIGGEST issue we face because not only are we are dumping dollars down the drain, but we are killing innocent people and increasing the likelihood of future terrorist attacks. In this respect, your original post was way off the mark.

Now there are a lot of Americans who hear the dulled down version of the message you like to preach and don't understand the importance or how it will benefit them or their country. For them, they need a wake up call. They need to know what their government is really up to. That is where we come in.

We need to bring everyone from the entire political spectrum and show them why the constitution is so important, and how it can help prevent these conspiracies from occurring in the first place. It all starts with our monetary system, because banking is the root of all conspiracies. This is the other big issue close to Ron Paul's heart.

You do your thing, we'll do ours. You explain away the 'crazy kooks' within the campaign and show them facts about the abuses and the secrecy of the Fed and other areas of our government, and show them how this is not how our country should be run and the conspiracy theorists would not have much material if we stuck to the constitution. Then you can go with your stump speech. In the mean time, I'll be explaining about both the mainstream parties have been hijacked, and that libertarian, constitutional and peaceful principles are really what makes up true Republicanism, and that this is the direction of the future party of the Republicans.

Republicans have a horrible name for themselves, btw.

 

[libertarian4321]

Nah. This jerk came on the forum to start an argument and cause controversy. The title of the thread is "A Warning" for Christ's sake. He does nothing but try to discredit supporters and start trouble. He even goes as far as to speak for Doctor Paul by saying he wouldn't want us to speak out against the war. Are you kidding me? Maybe you didn't read the original post.

People like that need to be told to stop spamming, trolling, and making nonsensical threads. If no one will say it I will. Stop trolling, stop spamming, and stop making pointless hate threads. He's not doing anything but bashing and the thread should be shut down. You want unproductive? It's this thread.

You blame the OP for trolling (and I agree to a degree), but you have this as your sig:

"Beware of these Obama supporters: ProBlue33, newbitech, libertarian4321, Kade, Electronicmajji, SeanEdwards,"

Which leads me to the logical conclusion that you, sir, are an idiot.

I don't "support Obama" and never said anything of the sort.

 

[libertarian4321]

I have watched the "revolution" take several downward turns in the past several months....

Number one Iraq is NOT Vietnam....I am sick of Paul supporters focusing on Iraq...in the big scheme of things Iraq is not that big of deal...we are in Iraq and if any one believe we should pull out immediately you are not smart and need to keep your mouth shut so that the rest of the Paul Campaign does not look like a bunch of Vietnam protester wanna be's becuase thats what many people are coming.

Iraq is a bloody and expensive mess- expensive in blood, expensive in treasure, expensive in world standing. No one is advocating pulling out completely next week, but we need to shut this thing down as quickly as possible.

BTW, Ron Paul's stand against the war brought in a HUGE number of people last year. Democrats and independents who would have never even taken a look at any Republican were introduced to Ron Paul ONLY because they saw him taking a stand against the Iraq war in the debates while all the other Republicans were jockeying to see who could position himself as the biggest warhawk/tough guy.

I guarantee more people came to Ron Paul because of his stance than any talk of 1) the gold standard (which no more than 1% of the population even understands) 2) any conspiracy talk (most Americans think these folks are wacko) 3) lectures on the Constitution (most Americans have no idea what the Constitution says outside of a few of the more prominent portions of the Bill of Rights).

Ron Paul has NEVER "toned down" his opposition to the Iraq war, it has brought tons of people to the movement- I see nothing wrong with continuing to openly oppose it.

You are correct in saying that we shouldn't act like acid-crazed '60s hippies when we show our opposition, but we should not be afraid to continue to openly oppose the war in Iraq.

Count me as a soldier, a Republican, and a Ron Paul supporter who will continue to oppose Bush's war...

 

[dannno]

You blame the OP for trolling (and I agree to a degree), but you have this as your sig:

"Beware of these Obama supporters: ProBlue33, newbitech, libertarian4321, Kade, Electronicmajji, SeanEdwards,"

Which leads me to the logical conclusion that you, sir, are an idiot.

I don't "support Obama" and never said anything of the sort.

did you just notice that ur name was in his sig?

nice post ^ btw

 

[libertarian4321]

did you just notice that ur name was in his sig?

nice post ^ btw

Yes- I normally don't read the nonsense posts, so I don't read many of his, lol.