A warning

[rockandrollsouls]

It is not the message that is the problem on all points... it is the delivery. That's what is great about Dr. Paul's message, he address some of these issues with tact, intelligence and wisdom.

Experiment; Go out in a public forum and scream at the top of your lungs that the sky is indeed blue. make sure there are some bystanders to view you - although your message would be true your delivery method still makes you look like a nut case.

Nah. This jerk came on the forum to start an argument and cause controversy. The title of the thread is "A Warning" for Christ's sake. He does nothing but try to discredit supporters and start trouble. He even goes as far as to speak for Doctor Paul by saying he wouldn't want us to speak out against the war. Are you kidding me? Maybe you didn't read the original post.

People like that need to be told to stop spamming, trolling, and making nonsensical threads. If no one will say it I will. Stop trolling, stop spamming, and stop making pointless hate threads. He's not doing anything but bashing and the thread should be shut down. You want unproductive? It's this thread.

 

[Truth Warrior]

Nah. This jerk came on the forum to start an argument and cause controversy. The title of the thread is "A Warning" for Christ's sake. He does nothing but try to discredit supporters and start trouble.

People like that need to be told to stop spamming, trolling, and making nonsensical threads. If no one will say it I will. Stop trolling, stop spamming, stop making pointless hate threads. He's not doing anything but bashing and the thread should be shut down. You want unproductive? It's this thread.

Hey, I've got a couple of good posts in here.<IMHO>

 

[porcupine]

UTrunner, you started with an unbacked assertion and then made three argumentum ad populum arguments. Get educated, learn to make a logical argument and then we can talk.

 

[rockandrollsouls]

Hey, I've got a couple of good posts in here.<IMHO>

You're alright in my book, Truth Warrior . I'm just not too fond of the original posting is all.

 

[utrunner07]

Why, thank you. Been dealing with naysayers the entire year. If you don't agree with Ron's views, especially on the Iraq war, why are you trolling here?

We don't need a preacher.

Wow, I am sorry that I do not agree 100% with Ron Paul; however, that does not make me a "troll". I do not agree that troops should be withdrawn immediately (due to the crisis in Iraq it could create), that is probably the only major difference we have, I do agree we should not have been there to begin with...I can support Ron Paul 100% (as I do) and not agree with him 100%...I would rather him be president and withdraw the troops immediately than Obama or McCain be President...I am not a naysayer...I don't follow blindly and I think that is ok....I am not a preacher just pointing out some things I have noticed and think could detract from Paul...

 

[Dary]

Though I don’t agree with a word of it, I loved the post simply because it reminded me of that old 5 man electric band song “Signs”.

Do this. Don’t do that. Can’t you read the sign?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z1Q7cP3ij5g

Long haired freaky people need not apply.

 

[utrunner07]

UTrunner, you started with an unbacked assertion and then made three argumentum ad populum arguments. Get educated, learn to make a logical argument and then we can talk.

Look, I am not trying to argue with anyone...just pointing out some things I observed...I don't want to argue about Iraq, I don't wont to argue about CFR I don't want to argue about the roll of hate in the campaign....I don't feel the need to support every assertion with an example as they should be evident enough....

Porcupine, when you do not know who you are talking to, what their educational background is, what they have or have not done in their life I would be very cautious when telling someone to "get educated and learn to make logical arguments" so that then they may be allowed to converse with you....You have no idea of my intelligence or education level as I have no idea of yours....

 

[utrunner07]

Though I don’t agree with a word of it, ]

really you don't agree with a word of it?

 

[Truth Warrior]

You're alright in my book, Truth Warrior . I'm just not too fond of the original posting is all.

Thanks!

Yeah, me too, can you tell?

 

[Truth Warrior]

Look, I am not trying to argue with anyone...just pointing out some things I observed...I don't want to argue about Iraq, I don't wont to argue about CFR I don't want to argue about the roll of hate in the campaign....I don't feel the need to support every assertion with an example as they should be evident enough....

Porcupine, when you do not know who you are talking to, what their educational background is, what they have or have not done in their life I would be very cautious when telling someone to "get educated and learn to make logical arguments" so that then they may be allowed to converse with you....You have no idea of my intelligence or education level as I have no idea of yours....

True!

Great additional observations, BTW. Look in the mirror.

 

[The_Orlonater]

The OP fails.

It's funny, when I lurk in these forums and read posts and every forum section and so many people disagreeing with Ron Paul on so many issues. Gosh, I don't know where to begin. Well this thread, is a starter.

 

[utrunner07]

The OP fails.

It's funny, when I lurk in these forums and read posts and every forum section and so many people disagreeing with Ron Paul on so many issues. Gosh, I don't know where to begin. Well this thread, is a starter.

"Wow, I am sorry that I do not agree 100% with Ron Paul; however, that does not make me a "troll". I do not agree that troops should be withdrawn immediately (due to the crisis in Iraq it could create), that is probably the only major difference we have, I do agree we should not have been there to begin with...I can support Ron Paul 100% (as I do) and not agree with him 100%...I would rather him be president and withdraw the troops immediately than Obama or McCain be President...I am not a naysayer...I don't follow blindly and I think that is ok....I am not a preacher just pointing out some things I have noticed and think could detract from Paul..."

I'll say it again Orlonator, no where is it required that anyone 100% agree with some one to support them, especially not in politics....


Look this will be my last post here because obviously I am wrong to suggest that the movement may not be 100% on track in a few minor areas(sarcasm, really its probably just a bad idea to do this on a message board becuase it does come off wrong)....but I do want y'all to know that I very much support Ron Paul and think that the things I pointed out here, out of concern for the movement and where it could possible go (not out of any attempt to attack any one here) are things to at least be considered...but bash away, I am a fool after all!

PS...If I could just hammer this in one more time (yes roll your eyes) just make sure we (myself included) don't become hate driven or begin to hate our political adversaries, I think that is the worse possible route to go and this movement as well as Ron Paul especially is above that!

 

[Truth Warrior]

"Wow, I am sorry that I do not agree 100% with Ron Paul; however, that does not make me a "troll". I do not agree that troops should be withdrawn immediately (due to the crisis in Iraq it could create), that is probably the only major difference we have, I do agree we should not have been there to begin with...I can support Ron Paul 100% (as I do) and not agree with him 100%...I would rather him be president and withdraw the troops immediately than Obama or McCain be President...I am not a naysayer...I don't follow blindly and I think that is ok....I am not a preacher just pointing out some things I have noticed and think could detract from Paul..."

I'll say it again Orlonator, no where is it required that anyone 100% agree with some one to support them, especially not in politics....


Look this will be my last post here because obviously I am wrong to suggest that the movement may not be 100% on track in a few minor areas(sarcasm, really its probably just a bad idea to do this on a message board becuase it does come off wrong)....but I do want y'all to know that I very much support Ron Paul and think that the things I pointed out here, out of concern for the movement and where it could possible go (not out of any attempt to attack any one here) are things to at least be considered...but bash away, I am a fool after all!

PS...If I could just hammer this in one more time (yes roll your eyes) just make sure we (myself included) don't become hate driven or begin to hate our political adversaries, I think that is the worse possible route to go and this movement as well as Ron Paul especially is above that!

How did the Americans think and feel about the Brits in 1776?

Tory?

 

[rockandrollsouls]

"Wow, I am sorry that I do not agree 100% with Ron Paul; however, that does not make me a "troll". I do not agree that troops should be withdrawn immediately (due to the crisis in Iraq it could create), that is probably the only major difference we have, I do agree we should not have been there to begin with...I can support Ron Paul 100% (as I do) and not agree with him 100%...I would rather him be president and withdraw the troops immediately than Obama or McCain be President...I am not a naysayer...I don't follow blindly and I think that is ok....I am not a preacher just pointing out some things I have noticed and think could detract from Paul..."

I'll say it again Orlonator, no where is it required that anyone 100% agree with some one to support them, especially not in politics....


Look this will be my last post here because obviously I am wrong to suggest that the movement may not be 100% on track in a few minor areas(sarcasm, really its probably just a bad idea to do this on a message board becuase it does come off wrong)....but I do want y'all to know that I very much support Ron Paul and think that the things I pointed out here, out of concern for the movement and where it could possible go (not out of any attempt to attack any one here) are things to at least be considered...but bash away, I am a fool after all!

PS...If I could just hammer this in one more time (yes roll your eyes) just make sure we (myself included) don't become hate driven or begin to hate our political adversaries, I think that is the worse possible route to go and this movement as well as Ron Paul especially is above that!

You don't agree with Ron on his biggest issue. You should be on the McCain boards, buddy.

 

[moostraks]

I do not agree that troops should be withdrawn immediately (due to the crisis in Iraq it could create), ...

After going through this thread this just grated at me... Who should the P.O.T.U.S. be protecting the interests of? This is assinine...So we drain ourselves financially and deplete our troops until what objective is accomplished? How many lives (Iraqi)have been lost there thanks to our constant presence?? Sounds like an avid FOX news junky....Put whatever sugar coating/guilt trip you want it was wrong to begin with and wrong to continue occupying....

 

[Roxi]

this is getting rediculous... although the OP seemed agressive, he later apologized for that, and there are many people on these boards who support ron paul but don't agree with every position he has, it shouldn't matter WHICH of those positions they don't agree with, the fact of the matter is they are STILL RON PAUL SUPPORTERS which is why they are here... and although i vehemently disagree with his opinion on the matter i do not think its fair for someone to tell him to be on the McCain boards, when he has stated firmly that he would rather see us pulled out of Iraq immediately, rather than see Mcbama as prez.

 

[utrunner07]

You don't agree with Ron on his biggest issue. You should be on the McCain boards, buddy.

Sorry, I know I said that would be my last post...I just wanted to respond to this to make it clear...

Though I don't agree with Paul on this, I completely understand his reasoning and what he is biasing it on (the Constitution) and I respect that...so I can still support him...personally, I do not feel that this is Paul's biggest issue. I would vote for him becuase of his economic, free market theories, and limited government ideas which in the LONG RUN, are far more important, IMO. Again IMO we should not have been in Iraq to being with so by supporting Paul I do so knowing he wont put us in a situation where we have to discuss withdrawal's like this. (McCain is SO off on big government, programs and future wars it is very scary and so I in no way support him)

I would like to know your opinion though rockandrollssouls on how an immediate withdrawal would work if hypothetically Paul became president. Would you not be concerned that it would allow terrorists to gain control? Or that it would just set some other dictator up in the country that would then cause problems for the Iraq people? I mean that would be on our head if that happened. It seems like it would be very irresponsible of us to start this and then leave in the middle. I guess I am just asking what do you think would happen in Iraq if we did leave immediately...I really want to know, I am not trying to make a point or anything, I really have just never heard it explained....thanks....

 

[LibertyEagle]

You don't have to agree with Paul on everything, utrunner. You are welcome here.

 

[RideTheDirt]

I didn't read your whole post because you put me into some group. First of all, I am an independent thinker who happens to agree with Ron Paul. Second;We have been in Iraq longer than we were in Europe to fight the Nazi's! We do need to leave, not immediately but as soon as it is possible for our troops to leave safely(AKA after we have an exit strategy). We spend BILLIONS of dollars on this quagmire, and what do We the People get? The bill (Inflation tax anyone?) and our friends and family coming home with post traumatic stress disorder. [Redacted by Moderator]

 

[satchelmcqueen]

I have watched the "revolution" take several downward turns in the past several months....

Number one Iraq is NOT Vietnam....I am sick of Paul supporters focusing on Iraq...in the big scheme of things Iraq is not that big of deal...we are in Iraq and if any one believe we should pull out immediately you are not smart and need to keep your mouth shut so that the rest of the Paul Campaign does not look like a bunch of Vietnam protester wanna be's becuase thats what many people are coming.

Two, the level of hatred from many Paul supporters is disturbing....we hate bush...we hate McCain...we hate we hate....Democrats hate, liberals hate and it is very disturbing and disgusting to watch how much they hate things. There is NO reason for the increasing levels of hate...when this movement began there was no hate and there was no personal attacks...now some of the newer more vocal members are bringing this more and more into the mainstream of the Paul movement...it needs to stop...before this turns into a campaign run on hate, which will NEVER succeeded.

Three, to the conspiracy theorists....you may be right...there may be men in black listening to your every word and plotting a one world government...but SHUT UP!!!! you come off as quacks to 99.99% of the American public and when they hear you spewing your CFR theories they automatically tune you out, right or wrong, and thank well Ron Paul supporters are nuts I don't want to have anything to do with that. I have seen it numerous times! Again you may be right no reason to argue that, who cares it does not really matter....our focus needs to be to get Paul more support, not to spread seemingly far out conspiracy theories!

And Four, for the up coming convention, ACT WITH CLASS!!!!!!!!!! This can not be stressed enough, we don't need sit ins, we don't need violent protests, we don't need offensive slogans or hate filled slogans, we don't need any of that crap! Lets use our brains....lets focus on all of the good things Paul brings, smaller government, more personal freedom etc. Don't go constantly bashing McCain, focus on Paul. Don't focus on Iraq, don't focus on your latest theory on Bush and the CFR don't focus on hate! Don't focus on a revolution, though this is in a way a revolution, again the masses are scared and think Paul supporters are right wing nuts because they want a revolution....FOCUS ON WHAT PAUL CAN DO TO IMPROVE THIS COUNTRY NOT WHAT OTHERS ARE DOING TO BRING IT DOWN....

Finally a word of warning the rehash the first point because this is where things seem to be going more and more...this is not the 60s...Iraq is not Vietnam...the troops are not, and SHOULD NOT come home immediately, even Paul recognizes that....quit holding war protests and speaking as if this is Vietnam, it alienates some of our closest supporters.

i think YOU need to keep your mouth shut. Go away.