A warning

[utrunner07]

I have watched the "revolution" take several downward turns in the past several months....

Number one Iraq is NOT Vietnam....I am sick of Paul supporters focusing on Iraq...in the big scheme of things Iraq is not that big of deal...we are in Iraq and if any one believe we should pull out immediately you are not smart and need to keep your mouth shut so that the rest of the Paul Campaign does not look like a bunch of Vietnam protester wanna be's becuase thats what many people are coming.

Two, the level of hatred from many Paul supporters is disturbing....we hate bush...we hate McCain...we hate we hate....Democrats hate, liberals hate and it is very disturbing and disgusting to watch how much they hate things. There is NO reason for the increasing levels of hate...when this movement began there was no hate and there was no personal attacks...now some of the newer more vocal members are bringing this more and more into the mainstream of the Paul movement...it needs to stop...before this turns into a campaign run on hate, which will NEVER succeeded.

Three, to the conspiracy theorists....you may be right...there may be men in black listening to your every word and plotting a one world government...but SHUT UP!!!! you come off as quacks to 99.99% of the American public and when they hear you spewing your CFR theories they automatically tune you out, right or wrong, and thank well Ron Paul supporters are nuts I don't want to have anything to do with that. I have seen it numerous times! Again you may be right no reason to argue that, who cares it does not really matter....our focus needs to be to get Paul more support, not to spread seemingly far out conspiracy theories!

And Four, for the up coming convention, ACT WITH CLASS!!!!!!!!!! This can not be stressed enough, we don't need sit ins, we don't need violent protests, we don't need offensive slogans or hate filled slogans, we don't need any of that crap! Lets use our brains....lets focus on all of the good things Paul brings, smaller government, more personal freedom etc. Don't go constantly bashing McCain, focus on Paul. Don't focus on Iraq, don't focus on your latest theory on Bush and the CFR don't focus on hate! Don't focus on a revolution, though this is in a way a revolution, again the masses are scared and think Paul supporters are right wing nuts because they want a revolution....FOCUS ON WHAT PAUL CAN DO TO IMPROVE THIS COUNTRY NOT WHAT OTHERS ARE DOING TO BRING IT DOWN....

Finally a word of warning the rehash the first point because this is where things seem to be going more and more...this is not the 60s...Iraq is not Vietnam...the troops are not, and SHOULD NOT come home immediately, even Paul recognizes that....quit holding war protests and speaking as if this is Vietnam, it alienates some of our closest supporters.

 

[StudentForPaul08]

Well i read the first few lines and thought to myself, that is contradictory to our movement? isn't this about speaking out? and not being told what to do or say?...hence..freedom? whether it is about something wrong that's local or something wrong that includes all of us, like Iraq.

 

[brandon]

I am sick of Paul supporters focusing on Iraq...in the big scheme of things Iraq is not that big of deal...we are in Iraq and if any one believe we should pull out immediately you are not smart and need to keep your mouth shut so that the rest of the Paul Campaign does not look like a bunch of Vietnam protester wanna be's becuase thats what many people are coming.

You should talk to Paul about this. He made it the main issue of his campaign and repeatedly said we should "just march out"

Two, the level of hatred from many Paul supporters is disturbing........now some of the newer more vocal members are bringing this more and more into the mainstream of the Paul movement...it needs to stop...before this turns into a campaign run on hate, which will NEVER succeeded.

This is a very hate filled post. Perhaps you are one of the newer, vocal, hate filled members that you speak of.

Three, to the conspiracy theorists....you may be right...there may be men in black listening to your every word and plotting a one world government...but SHUT UP!!!! you come off as quacks to 99.99% of the American public and when they hear you spewing your CFR theories they automatically tune you out, right or wrong, and thank well Ron Paul supporters are nuts I don't want to have anything to do with that. I have seen it numerous times! Again you may be right no reason to argue that, who cares it does not really matter

agreed

....our focus needs to be to get Paul more support, not to spread seemingly far out conspiracy theories!

I don't know if you heard, but Paul is no longer running for president. We don't need to get him support anymore.

Finally a word of warning the rehash the first point because this is where things seem to be going more and more...this is not the 60s...Iraq is not Vietnam...the troops are not, and SHOULD NOT come home immediately, even Paul recognizes that....quit holding war protests and speaking as if this is Vietnam, it alienates some of our closest supporters.

No actually, Paul does support an immediate withdrawal, and so do 99% of his closest supporters.

 

[Anti Federalist]

A million dead Iraqis are "no big deal"?

No sense in rehashing this old, dead horse.

utrunner wrote:

spewing your CFR theories

Ron Paul speaking on the influence of the CFR and TriLateral Commission:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NV_AML16tC8

What a Kook!!!

Epic.Failure.Thread.

 

[Truth Warrior]

I have watched the "revolution" take several downward turns in the past several months....

Number one Iraq is NOT Vietnam....I am sick of Paul supporters focusing on Iraq...in the big scheme of things Iraq is not that big of deal...we are in Iraq and if any one believe we should pull out immediately you are not smart and need to keep your mouth shut so that the rest of the Paul Campaign does not look like a bunch of Vietnam protester wanna be's becuase thats what many people are coming.

Two, the level of hatred from many Paul supporters is disturbing....we hate bush...we hate McCain...we hate we hate....Democrats hate, liberals hate and it is very disturbing and disgusting to watch how much they hate things. There is NO reason for the increasing levels of hate...when this movement began there was no hate and there was no personal attacks...now some of the newer more vocal members are bringing this more and more into the mainstream of the Paul movement...it needs to stop...before this turns into a campaign run on hate, which will NEVER succeeded.

Three, to the conspiracy theorists....you may be right...there may be men in black listening to your every word and plotting a one world government...but SHUT UP!!!! you come off as quacks to 99.99% of the American public and when they hear you spewing your CFR theories they automatically tune you out, right or wrong, and thank well Ron Paul supporters are nuts I don't want to have anything to do with that. I have seen it numerous times! Again you may be right no reason to argue that, who cares it does not really matter....our focus needs to be to get Paul more support, not to spread seemingly far out conspiracy theories!

And Four, for the up coming convention, ACT WITH CLASS!!!!!!!!!! This can not be stressed enough, we don't need sit ins, we don't need violent protests, we don't need offensive slogans or hate filled slogans, we don't need any of that crap! Lets use our brains....lets focus on all of the good things Paul brings, smaller government, more personal freedom etc. Don't go constantly bashing McCain, focus on Paul. Don't focus on Iraq, don't focus on your latest theory on Bush and the CFR don't focus on hate! Don't focus on a revolution, though this is in a way a revolution, again the masses are scared and think Paul supporters are right wing nuts because they want a revolution....FOCUS ON WHAT PAUL CAN DO TO IMPROVE THIS COUNTRY NOT WHAT OTHERS ARE DOING TO BRING IT DOWN....

Finally a word of warning the rehash the first point because this is where things seem to be going more and more...this is not the 60s...Iraq is not Vietnam...the troops are not, and SHOULD NOT come home immediately, even Paul recognizes that....quit holding war protests and speaking as if this is Vietnam, it alienates some of our closest supporters.

Number one, ask the Iraqis.

Two, is "hate" a crime? .......... oh wait it is NOW!

Three, yep that's exactly how the CFR NWO agenda long term "brainwash programming" program effects most of the the "sheeple".

Four, this message brought to you courtesy of the McCain for POTUS, Election Committee.

Finally, YAY! ( just ask the troops! )

 

[utrunner07]

Well i read the first few lines and thought to myself, that is contradictory to our movement? isn't this about speaking out? and not being told what to do or say?...hence..freedom? whether it is about something wrong that's local or something wrong that includes all of us, like Iraq.

There is a right way and a wrong way to go about it...Paul goes about it the right way...in the recent past I have seen more and more of Paul supporters going about it the wrong way.

 

[utrunner07]

This is a very hate filled post. Perhaps you are one of the newer, vocal, hate filled members that you speak of.

Where was my post "hate filled"?

Edit: Ok I went back and read it and can see where it might be considered hate filled or attacking more than it should be....I apologize for that...I don't really think the CFR theory believers are nuts or anything (matter of fact IMO there are some shady things there) I am just saying for the good of the movement as a whole that stuff needs to be on the back burner....

as far as the Iraq thing goes, I don't mean that people who want out of Iraq immediately are stupid, bad choice of words, just that the idea does not seem thought through to me, IMO, (although with the progress made there in the past months I can see it working)...and I realize that Paul does not support the war but at the same time I believe he is smart enough not to pull the troops out in one fowl blow if given the choice do to the vacuum that would create (unless Iraq were ready). I agree with y'all that we probably should not be in Iraq and would love to see us back off as world police but think there is a right way and wrong way to go about it...(rambling and off topic i know)....so any way...I guess with Iraq I am just saying lets not make that THE focus as there are so many issues just as important.

 

[kahless]

I am sick of Paul supporters focusing on Iraq...in the big scheme of things Iraq is not that big of deal....

Is it worth it to sacrafice your life or that of your children for a country that demands that we leave? What really is the point of losing basically our kids in Iraq for what purpose? For people that hate us and our beliefs?

we don't need sit ins, we don't need violent protests, we don't need offensive slogans or hate filled slogans, we don't need any of that crap!

I am not advocating anything here but do you really think that we should just roll over while the government rolls over our freedoms? Just look at the history of 20th century Europe where that worked so well for them.

 

[Truth Warrior]

There is a right way and a wrong way to go about it...Paul goes about it the right way...in the recent past I have seen more and more of Paul supporters going about it the wrong way.

Type "A" much? Remove the cob, please!

 

[inibo]

I pretty much agree with you on 2, 3 & 4. I think most others here (truthers and non-truthers, both) do as well. It's a matter for honey and vinegar. However, some people never get it and never will. You're fighting a losing battle. Deal with it, it ain't going to change.

On point 1 you are just wrong. The invasion of Iraq was an illegal war of aggression as defined by the Nuremberg Principles and consequently a Crime Against Peace and a Crime Against Humanity. The ongoing occupation is a war crime. Period.

As to Ron Paul's opinion on that...

The American people have spoken, and continue to speak out, against this war. So why not end it? How do we end it? Why not exactly the way we went in? We just marched in, and we can just march out.

http://www.house.gov/paul/congrec/congrec2007/cr041707.htm

 

[Anti Federalist]

type "a" much? remove the cob, please!

 

[rockandrollsouls]

I have watched the "revolution" take several downward turns in the past several months....

Number one Iraq is NOT Vietnam....I am sick of Paul supporters focusing on Iraq...in the big scheme of things Iraq is not that big of deal...we are in Iraq and if any one believe we should pull out immediately you are not smart and need to keep your mouth shut so that the rest of the Paul Campaign does not look like a bunch of Vietnam protester wanna be's becuase thats what many people are coming.

Two, the level of hatred from many Paul supporters is disturbing....we hate bush...we hate McCain...we hate we hate....Democrats hate, liberals hate and it is very disturbing and disgusting to watch how much they hate things. There is NO reason for the increasing levels of hate...when this movement began there was no hate and there was no personal attacks...now some of the newer more vocal members are bringing this more and more into the mainstream of the Paul movement...it needs to stop...before this turns into a campaign run on hate, which will NEVER succeeded.

Three, to the conspiracy theorists....you may be right...there may be men in black listening to your every word and plotting a one world government...but SHUT UP!!!! you come off as quacks to 99.99% of the American public and when they hear you spewing your CFR theories they automatically tune you out, right or wrong, and thank well Ron Paul supporters are nuts I don't want to have anything to do with that. I have seen it numerous times! Again you may be right no reason to argue that, who cares it does not really matter....our focus needs to be to get Paul more support, not to spread seemingly far out conspiracy theories!

And Four, for the up coming convention, ACT WITH CLASS!!!!!!!!!! This can not be stressed enough, we don't need sit ins, we don't need violent protests, we don't need offensive slogans or hate filled slogans, we don't need any of that crap! Lets use our brains....lets focus on all of the good things Paul brings, smaller government, more personal freedom etc. Don't go constantly bashing McCain, focus on Paul. Don't focus on Iraq, don't focus on your latest theory on Bush and the CFR don't focus on hate! Don't focus on a revolution, though this is in a way a revolution, again the masses are scared and think Paul supporters are right wing nuts because they want a revolution....FOCUS ON WHAT PAUL CAN DO TO IMPROVE THIS COUNTRY NOT WHAT OTHERS ARE DOING TO BRING IT DOWN....

Finally a word of warning the rehash the first point because this is where things seem to be going more and more...this is not the 60s...Iraq is not Vietnam...the troops are not, and SHOULD NOT come home immediately, even Paul recognizes that....quit holding war protests and speaking as if this is Vietnam, it alienates some of our closest supporters.

Shutup, kid.

 

[Truth Warrior]

:d:d:d

???

Sorry, I seem to have temporarily misplaced my "smiley" dictionary.

 

[utrunner07]

This is a very hate filled post. Perhaps you are one of the newer, vocal, hate filled members that you speak of.

Ok I went back and read it and can see where it might be considered hate filled or attacking more than it should be....I apologize for that...I don't really think the CFR theory believers are nuts or anything (matter of fact IMO there are some shady things there) I am just saying for the good of the movement as a whole that stuff needs to be on the back burner....

as far as the Iraq thing goes, I don't mean that people who want out of Iraq immediately are stupid, bad choice of words, just that the idea does not seem thought through to me, IMO, (although with the progress made there in the past months I can see it working)...and I realize that Paul does not support the war but at the same time I believe he is smart enough not to pull the troops out in one fowl blow if given the choice do to the vacuum that would create (unless Iraq were ready). I agree with y'all that we probably should not be in Iraq and would love to see us back off as world police but think there is a right way and wrong way to go about it...(rambling and off topic i know)....so any way...I guess with Iraq I am just saying lets not make that THE focus as there are so many issues just as important.

 

[utrunner07]

Shutup, kid.

clever, well thought out and productive response...son.

 

[Anti Federalist]

???

Sorry, I seem to have temporarily misplaced my "smiley" dictionary.

Har, the "tubes" burped.

Look again.

 

[Truth Warrior]

Ok I went back and read it and can see where it might be considered hate filled or attacking more than it should be....I apologize for that...I don't really think the CFR theory believers are nuts or anything (matter of fact IMO there are some shady things there) I am just saying for the good of the movement as a whole that stuff needs to be on the back burner....

as far as the Iraq thing goes, I don't mean that people who want out of Iraq immediately are stupid, bad choice of words, just that the idea does not seem thought through to me, IMO, (although with the progress made there in the past months I can see it working)...and I realize that Paul does not support the war but at the same time I believe he is smart enough not to pull the troops out in one fowl blow if given the choice do to the vacuum that would create (unless Iraq were ready). I agree with y'all that we probably should not be in Iraq and would love to see us back off as world police but think there is a right way and wrong way to go about it...(rambling and off topic i know)....so any way...I guess with Iraq I am just saying lets not make that THE focus as there are so many issues just as important.

The CFR has been completely OFF the stove, for about 88 years now.

"Back burner".

 

[Truth Warrior]

Thanks!

 

[rockandrollsouls]

clever, well thought out and productive response...son.

Why, thank you. Been dealing with naysayers the entire year. If you don't agree with Ron's views, especially on the Iraq war, why are you trolling here?

We don't need a preacher.

 

[awake]

It is not the message that is the problem on all points... it is the delivery. That's what is great about Dr. Paul's message, he address some of these issues with tact, intelligence and wisdom.

Experiment; Go out in a public forum and scream at the top of your lungs that the sky is indeed blue. make sure there are some bystanders to view you - although your message would be true your delivery method still makes you look like a nut case.