a story of corruption and what a lot of you dont get.

[jmcmsu]

There is no conspiracy... trust me... I'm in law school and I'm a huge RP supporter. We take an oath to uphold the Constitution and no one controls my mind and there is no secret organization where we meet and discuss plans to dupe over the rest of the world with our lawyerly skills. Furthermore, even if this were true the U.S. doesn't require lawyers to be members of any Inns of Court. See http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Inns_of_Court

 

[garrettwombat]

ok stop the damn lawyer talk... you guys are missing the point...


there should be no instance where we need a lawyer as a

commissioner.

sheriff.

or mayor.

in fact the only position they should serve as in local government is judges.

 

[garrettwombat]

there is no conspiracy here... conspiracy is when you take a bunch of facts and jump to a certain conclusion...

its not conspiracy when i have been around this my entire life and it is a fact of how many american citys are ran.

 

[garrettwombat]

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=6015291679758430958

 

[Mr. White]

there is no conspiracy here... conspiracy is when you take a bunch of facts and jump to a certain conclusion...

its not conspiracy when i have been around this my entire life and it is a fact of how many american citys are ran.

What you're describing is anecdotal evidence. That's typically something people use as support of a conspiracy.

 

[Green Mountain Boy]

There is no conspiracy... trust me... I'm in law school and I'm a huge RP supporter. We take an oath to uphold the Constitution and no one controls my mind and there is no secret organization where we meet and discuss plans to dupe over the rest of the world with our lawyerly skills. Furthermore, even if this were true the U.S. doesn't require lawyers to be members of any Inns of Court. See http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Inns_of_Court

I'm not saying you're a conspirator or anything like that.

I'm just saying that people, including you, should understand the origins, history, and purposes of your profession, that's all.

 

[fortilite]

im going to be the one who comes out and says this.

Thank God YOU came along and set us all straight. I'm gonna go to every thread and post links to this one, the people need to hear you!

Now people, Garretwombat is enlightening us, so huddle close and listen.


P.S. I didn't read past your first line.

 

[garrettwombat]

What you're describing is anecdotal evidence. That's typically something people use as support of a conspiracy.

ok but listen... im not going to list names or tell you real situations to protect myself.

but i know for a fact this happens because my family has deep ties in with it, including myself.
so this is definatly not conspiracy... go ahead and run for office yourself... just do it to do it.
and see what you get yourself into.

im not trying to give any evidence at all... i dont want too, just know this is how a lot of cities in America are ran.

 

[garrettwombat]

I'm not saying you're a conspirator or anything like that.

I'm just saying that people, including you, should understand the origins, history, and purposes of your profession, that's all.

wtf, UNDERSTAND??? I GET CAUGHT UP IN IT ON A DAILY BASIS!


maybe its just me and what goes on around me....

but iv talked to a lot of people from all over the place and they all know it. and we know it, its not a
"secret conspiracy between lawyers and politicians"

its just a matter of bribes and getting around the law and making money
that's it, nothing more, but that is what corruption is, and it is what has ruined this country.

 

[Mr. White]

ok but listen... im not going to list names or tell you real situations to protect myself.

but i know for a fact this happens because my family has deep ties in with it, including myself.
so this is definatly not conspiracy... go ahead and run for office yourself... just do it to do it.
and see what you get yourself into.

*smirk*

I've already acknowledged that politics is corrupt. When a man's vote is tied to money, he can be bought. Most everyone's vote is tied to money and therefore, they are for sale.

You aren't telling anyone anything they don't know if they spend 5 minutes putting some thought into it. You're simply making yourself look like an insane conspiracy whacko drawing out others like Green Mtn Boy (no offense G M B, reasonably points were made) to get people riled up about absolutely nothing.

Law exists because the people wanted it to. People want enough order so that they can live their lives. Within that order, the shepard will sheer the sheep just enough without giving the sheep motivation to turn around and kill him. Lawyers, more than anyone else, know the line the shepard walks. We can use it to benefit the shepard or the sheep. The shepard pays more, so most serve the shepard. The trick is to convince the lawyers that the sheep will pay more in the end. Trust me, you want the lawyers on your side.

 

[Green Mountain Boy]

wtf, UNDERSTAND??? I GET CAUGHT UP IN IT ON A DAILY BASIS!


maybe its just me and what goes on around me....

but iv talked to a lot of people from all over the place and they all know it. and we know it, its not a
"secret conspiracy between lawyers and politicians"

its just a matter of bribes and getting around the law and making money
that's it, nothing more, but that is what corruption is, and it is what has ruined this country.

Oh, I understand completely. Politics are corrupt at all levels.

 

[garrettwombat]

oh of course you want lawyers on your side... everyone does.. but you dont want them as your commissioner of your county...

 

[Mr. White]

oh of course you want lawyers on your side... everyone does.. but you dont want them as your commissioner of your county...

Why exactly? Power corrupts. Period. If you have to sell out to get into office, then someone who wants the office will sell out.

If you don't want sell-outs in office maybe your post should be centered on telling people to research who they vote for, as opposed too telling them what catagory not to vote for.

 

[jmcmsu]

Hey guys just wanted to say let's all stay united for Ron Paul. I just wanted to throw my two cents in that I'm a law student and I care very deeply about the Constitution and the issues in this campaign. We all come from diverse background and beliefs but we all find common ground in the Ron Paul message.

 

[garrettwombat]

why is this becoming so centered around the lawyer thing...

my original thread wasnt about lawyers at all except i mentioned to try not to vote for them.

and my reason being is that a lawyer has no place as a commissioner, mayor, or sheriff position...

and ill say it once again... if you think for a second a lawyer cares about anything other than his clients you are crazy. a lawyers job is almost to be currupt on a daily basis...

your not defending a law, your finding loopholes in the law.

the judge is the one who upholds the law and the constitution a courtroom, not lawyers...

 

[SocraticAce]

garrettwombat, you make a good point. Although I know a personal bank owner and lawyers and othre peple you point out as being apt for corruptness and none of them are corrupt, they also are not involved in politics.

Making such wide arching statements dangerous because it is not the people who will always be corrupt it is the system and the state of our culture. If our culture is such that the corrupt can gain power, there is something wrong with the voters or the candidates who would not have qualms about deceiving the people he is out to represent.

The real issue is (to quote Boondock Saints) "the indifference of good men." The banker, lawyers, etc I know are able to get along fine despite the corrupt that may or may not (I'm not involved so I can't speak definitively) be in power. When in truth it is not right regardless if it affects us individually or not.

More good men, whatever their profession, need to step up to the plate and take the problem on.

 

[Mr. White]

why is this becoming so centered around the lawyer thing...

my original thread wasnt about lawyers at all except i mentioned to try not to vote for them.

and my reason being is that a lawyer has no place as a commissioner, mayor, or sheriff position...
and ill say it once again... if you think for a second a lawyer cares about anything other than his clients you are crazy. a lawyers job is almost to be currupt on a daily basis...

your not defending a law, your finding loopholes in the law.

the judge is the one who upholds the law and the constitution a courtroom, not lawyers...

The bolded parts, especially the last bit, indicate you know jack s**t about the legal system. I'm sorry you and your family have had a bad experience with corruption, but to sit there and say what you just did is unexcusable and ignorant.

You're not imparting knowledge, you're imparting a skewed worldview.

 

[garrettwombat]

ok tell me mr. white...

how does a lawyer help serve a community and not just a client.

 

[Mr. White]

Oh lord.... okay.

Prosecuting attornies do nothing but serve the peoples interest in criminal cases.

Pro bono work and orgas like the ACLU.

Tort law is the alternative to legislative policy like the FDA.

You don' seem to understand... law and lawyers EXIST because the community wants them to. Lawyers are the alternative to restrictive statutes. If someone poisons ponds you can either A) pass a restriction on poisoning pnds B) club them to death C) Sue them with a lawyer.

If everyone who poisons ponds knows that they will lose a lawsuit for doing so, they won't poison ponds... Community benefit. Go look up RP's discussion of environmental law and you'll udnerstand what I'm saying.

 

[pacelli]

This thread has nothing to do with the Grassroots Ron Paul campaign, and quite frankly is not going to help someone who just discovered Dr. Paul's message and is visiting these forums for the first time.

Could one of the mods please move it to Hot Topics or another focused forum?

Obviously there are alot of points on either side of the debate, but is not related to organizing a Grassroots campaign to help Dr. Paul get elected to the presidency.