A Romney win will be a crippling blow to the liberty movement

[whoisjohngalt]

I couldn't agree with the OP more. People seem to undervalue the importance of Rand 2016. It is less about influencing policy and more about using the office of President as a pulpit from which we can educate the average American, who pays little attention to politics.

For those of you who agree, especially those of you in Ohio, some of my friends in the Cincinnati recently started this fb page and are trying to stir up some more anti-Romney sentiment. This is the deciding county in the deciding state for this election.

https://www.facebook.com/saveourparty?notif_t=fbpage_admin

 

[RonPaul25]

As much as I wish it's gonna happen, I think a lot of you are overestimating Rand's chances in 2016. After what the establishment and media did to Ron this year, do you really think their gonna play nice with Rand. In addition, the chances he wins the primary are slim. However, he will be able to assert more influence in a Romney admin than an Obama admin.

 

[acptulsa]

As much as I wish it's gonna happen, I think a lot of you are overestimating Rand's chances in 2016. After what the establishment and media did to Ron this year, do you really think their gonna play nice with Rand. In addition, the chances he wins the primary are slim. However, he will be able to assert more influence in a Romney admin than an Obama admin.

After what the Republican Party did to Ron this year, do you really thing we're going to play nice?

I pity the fool who underestimates us from here on out.

 

[Suzu]

Citation?

Well, he hinted at it during his last appearance on Jay Leno's show. And he must have said something to Doug Wead about it, if this Wead blog post is any indication.

 

[Bastiat's The Law]

This herd of cats doesn't really need a figurehead. Ron Paul wasn't even a particularly good one, from a charisma point of view, yet the movement grew from nothing. And you can't even say it grew under his leadership--he admitted himself that, for all that the conventional thinkers called him our leader, he could barely keep up with us.

Can you expand on this point? Not sure what you mean by that.

 

[Bastiat's The Law]

You don't associate with these people but I do. It's funny how libertarians view conservatives through this blurry prism and vice versa from the conservative viewpoint, creating these erroneous caricatures of them. The hill was inundated with calls during the Medicare D fiasco as well as the McCain-Graham Amnesty bill. And let's not even get started with TARP. Bush is a pariah to all but the most hardcore GOP loyalist (roughly a 1/4 to a third). He sold out for popularity since he's always been a political creature as opposed to an individual with firm beliefs.

You're still talking about a certain segment of the republican or quasi-republican party, namely tea party folks. These people aren't a panacea. Even these more enlightened souls are very easily duped by so-called Tea Party candidates that are really establishment hacks in sheeps clothing. I think the kings of these TPINOs (Tea Party In Name Only) are Rubio and Allen West. West caved to Boehnor on the debt ceiling compromise. I hope to god the serious tea party folks wake up to these guys soon.

 

[WesSeid]

If the best senate voting record we've seen in a few decades isn't good enough, or doesn't make up for one lukewarm semi-endorsement, there's truly no hope for this nation.

The more I think about it, the more I wonder how we could do much better than Rand, not only at this time, but any time. Yeah, he (presumably) played politics and endorsed Romney over Ron, but, if we think about it, here's a guy who votes basically the same as Ron Paul, while at the same time he gives speeches bashing neocons and indirectly calling them hypocrites, while at the same time has neocons not hating him or even actually liking him.

I mean, if Rand Paul isn't a liberty movement trojan horse, then he sure is a lousy neocon.

 

[Chester Copperpot]

The more I think about it, the more I wonder how we could do much better than Rand, not only at this time, but any time. Yeah, he (presumably) played politics and endorsed Romney over Ron, but, if we think about it, here's a guy who votes basically the same as Ron Paul, while at the same time he gives speeches bashing neocons and indirectly calling them hypocrites, while at the same time has neocons not hating him or even actually liking him.

I mean, if Rand Paul isn't a liberty movement trojan horse, then he sure is a lousy neocon.

Amen

 

[DeMintConservative]

Rand Paul will run for re-election in 2016, regardless of what happens this year.

 

[rpfocus]

Agreed! 3rd Party all the way!

 

[CPUd]

Agreed. Romney's biggest selling point is that he is not Obama. A potted plant would be polling as well as Romney is. I just heard on the news that nationally, Romney is up 20% over Obama with Independents. That is a 28 point swing from 08 for Obama. Do they love Romney - hell no, they have just realized that Obama was a huge mistake.

I can confirm this: