A Romney win will be a crippling blow to the liberty movement

[acptulsa]

That is... unlikely. If Obama is reelected, the Republicans will win in 2016 unless the economy significantly improves. Given the instability in the world that type of improvement is unlikely. Even if it were to improve Republicans would have the upper hand.

The trick is going to be clearing the moderate deadwood out. They will try to repeat 2008--a million presumed conservatives splitting the conservative vote and just one moderate warmongering chickenhawk MIC goon to garner all of that vote unsplit. Our challenge isn't to ensure that we only field one presidential candidate. I sincerely doubt we'd field more than that. Our job is to do a good enough job of education that Republicans understand that we can sell a real conservative to independents and even liberals (if only on the federal level), and that no Santorum is mistaken for a conservative.

 

[gjdavis60]

Vote for whoever you want for President. The movement doesn't really have a card to play here, imo.

Get as many of our peeps elected to House, Senate, and state offices as possible. There's still a lot of work to do here. Allies in political office provide great support to the credibility of our message.

Watch the unfolding of the deteriorating global economy and the failure of the welfare state. Financial pain is the essential catalyst for political change.

Keep changing minds about the role of government.

 

[WesSeid]

And yet the republicans voted lock step for NDAA because their party told them too.....

That says a lot right there. It is DEMOCRATS who have recently voted against the Patriot Act and the renewal of the electronic wiretap act.

There are still too many neocons in Congress to have a Republican President who has already basically said he'll start a war with Iran and has said he wants to increase military spending by $200 billion dollars a year.

It's hard to fathom, but Obama is actually better on foreign policy than Romney is.

I think people need to take a look at what Rush Limbaugh and some popular blonde Republican talk show host have said about the election. They said if Romney loses, then shut down the Republican Party and fire all the same-old advisors who keep running the elections. If Romney loses, the Republican Party is going to have some soul searching to do.

Also, Paul Ryan is such a big-government, fake-conservative hypocrite... Romney deserves to lose simply for choosing Paul Ryan as a running mate.

Really though, in the end, none of the above matters to most people here because most people here will not be voting for either of the two main candidates. I'll tell you what though, anyone thinking of voting for Romney should go and watch the RNC Sham 2012 and similar videos again. What happened at the convention sealed it for me, and there's no way on Earth I would vote for Romney after that. The toolbags at the RNC can kiss my ass.

 

[WarAnonymous]

I don't know, it is a bad outcome either way, and there really isn't a good pragmatic answer to this question, IMO. I think the best outcome would be a Republican majority in the senate...or picking up as many seats there as possible. Best case would be for some of the candidates that Rand has helped, to win their races, and then he hopefully picks up a couple more allies on a few issues.

I am not sure how this could help, unless of course you mean "Liberty" Republicans... Guys like Graham, McCain, Portman, etc. We don't need more of

I for one don't want more "republicans" in the senate voting yes to NDAA, Patriot Act, CISPA (If they take a vote), etc.

 

[WarAnonymous]

That says a lot right there. It is DEMOCRATS who have recently voted against the Patriot Act and the renewal of the electronic wiretap act.

There are still too many neocons in Congress to have a Republican President who has already basically said he'll start a war with Iran and has said he wants to increase military spending by $200 billion dollars a year.

It's hard to fathom, but Obama is actually better on foreign policy than Romney is.

I think people need to take a look at what Rush Limbaugh and some popular blonde Republican talk show host have said about the election. They said if Romney loses, then shut down the Republican Party and fire all the same-old advisors who keep running the elections. If Romney loses, the Republican Party is going to have some soul searching to do.

Also, Paul Ryan is such a big-government, fake-conservative hypocrite... Romney deserves to lose simply for choosing Paul Ryan as a running mate.

Really though, in the end, none of the above matters to most people here because most people here will not be voting for either of the two main candidates. I'll tell you what though, anyone thinking of voting for Romney should go and watch the RNC Sham 2012 and similar videos again. What happened at the convention sealed it for me, and there's no way on Earth I would vote for Romney after that. The toolbags at the RNC can kiss my ass.

In Ohio 3/5 Democrats in the house all voted against NDAA, Patriot Act Ext, and CISPA while EVERY republican voted for all of them. Those 3 also voted for Audit the Fed.

 

[nobody's_hero]

And yet the republicans voted lock step for NDAA because their party told them too.....

You don't question the fearless leader!!!

 

[unknown]

- Reaffirms the GOP establishment's belief that they can win without us.

- Confirms the fact that the Ron Paul vote/wing of the party is insignificant, at least at this stage.

- Guarantees a liberty Republican running for POTUS would have to wait until 2020 - and even then it's likely moderate voters will be looking for "change" once again and would look to the democrats like in 2008.

- The crash will happen under the Romney administration and the free market (and Republicans) will be blamed ushering in grand socialism.

...and it's all seeming like a real possibility Romney will win now. Thoughts?

AGREE 10000000000000000%

And Ill explain why.

Even though Bush doubled the national debt, attacked the Constitution and greatly expanded the size of government, Republicans didnt say sh*t.

Ron Paul Republicans did but we are actual Conservatives/Libertarians.

The State Sovereignty movement, whether its resisting the Patriot Act, Obamacare, FEMA, the NDAA, the TSA etc., has only been successful because a Democrat is in office.

IF Romney is elected, the sheeple will stand down.

I would argue that its CRUCIAL that Obama win so that the movement continues to build and gain momentum.

 

[69360]

I'll agree, and I'll add to that. So what if Romney wins? If we don't like him we find someone for a primary (Rand). It doesn't kill the party. Heck it got Pat Buchanan (the last Republican insurgent) a primetime speaking slot at the 1992 convention. I think even if Rand were to lose, to have a platform to give a keynote speech would be a huge win for the movement.

I absolutely guarantee you that Rand would not primary Romney. I'd bet everything I own on that. It's political suicide and Rand is a smart politician.


I don't think Romney is going to win. I'll admit I'm closer to policy with Romney than Obama. But I think the best outcome is an Obama win with the GOP taking the senate and holding the house. Keep everything deadlocked for 4 years and Rand runs. I don't think that outcome is likely though. I the house and senate will stay where they are. Hopefully the GOP house can keep Obama in check.

I'm voting for Johnson.

 

[The Gold Standard]

A Romney win will be crippling to the movement to take over the GOP. The movement for liberty will continue regardless.

 

[ninepointfive]

I'll admit I'm closer to policy with Romney than Obama.

Well, probably closer to his most recent rhetoric and talking points.

 

[supermario21]

I absolutely guarantee you that Rand would not primary Romney. I'd bet everything I own on that. It's political suicide and Rand is a smart politician.


I don't think Romney is going to win. I'll admit I'm closer to policy with Romney than Obama. But I think the best outcome is an Obama win with the GOP taking the senate and holding the house. Keep everything deadlocked for 4 years and Rand runs. I don't think that outcome is likely though. I the house and senate will stay where they are. Hopefully the GOP house can keep Obama in check.

I'm voting for Johnson.

The problem for you is that at this point, I think Romney is more likely to win the election (based on trends, etc) and that Democrats will hold the Senate. What's worse is that it's the tea party guys that are struggling more than the establishment moderates like Tommy Thompson, who seems to have turned things around in Wisconsin. We need to make sure that Flake, Mourdock, Berg, and even Akin all get elected. There's a chance that Republicans being elected this year are Scott Brown, Thompson, and Linda McMahon.

 

[trey4sports]

In order to gain control of the GOP beast we must first bring it to it's KNEES.

 

[MelissaCato]

I think it's bad enough a Romney win can give us a 8 more years of this BS corruption compared to Obama giving us 4 more. The thought of Romney winning the election alone creeps me out - I'm actually in hopes Obama gets re-elected in a way because then Rand Paul will have the best shot ever in 2016 or any Republican for that matter.

Either way I think about it - I cannot NOT write Ron Paul in.

I'm sorry, but Ron Paul has my vote until hell or high waters.

 

[sailingaway]

I think it's bad enough a Romney win can give us a 8 more years of this BS corruption compared to Obama giving us 4 more. The thought of Romney winning the election alone creeps me out - I'm actually in hopes Obama gets re-elected in a way because then Rand Paul will have the best shot ever in 2016 or any Republican for that matter.

Either way I think about it - I cannot NOT write Ron Paul in.

I'm sorry, but Ron Paul has my vote until hell or high waters.

Me too! I found out Ron's votes would be counted in CA, just AFTER I posted this pic:

 

[Anti Federalist]

I agree with this and it is why I am voting for Romney

Why are you voting for a gun banner?

 

[acptulsa]

AGREE 10000000000000000%

And Ill explain why.

Even though Bush doubled the national debt, attacked the Constitution and greatly expanded the size of government, Republicans didnt say sh*t.

Ron Paul Republicans did but we are actual Conservatives/Libertarians.

The State Sovereignty movement, whether its resisting the Patriot Act, Obamacare, FEMA, the NDAA, the TSA etc., has only been successful because a Democrat is in office.

IF Romney is elected, the sheeple will stand down.

I would argue that its CRUCIAL that Obama win so that the movement continues to build and gain momentum.

It does seem like many Republicans just stand together when they have the White House and enjoy having won, while more Democrats are actually willing to look at what their golden boy is actually doing and decide if they're happy about it or not. It certainly isn't true 100% of the time on either 'side of the fence', but that does seem to be the general trend.

 

[Anti Federalist]

I don't care about alternative universes. In the real world, the lesson the GOP - and the press and the Dems, basically the CW- will take from this is that the country preferred Obama's left-wing policies and proposals (easily the most leftist one since McGovern). And I'm not sure how to effectively dispute that if Obama wins. The immigration stance will certainly change: Romney will win whites by the largest margin ever since Reagan even if loses the election.

That's what all this boils down to, especially down south.

I have heard this with my own ears, too many times to count now:

"I don't care, just so long as we get that nigg*r out of the White House".

And it is not at all what the country wants.

More people of voting age abstain from voting than vote either R or D.

I'm not sure what Boobus wants exactly, but either by choice or sloth, Boobus has been voting "no confidence" for years now.

Ron Paul energized these people to get involved again.

"Dr. Paul cured my apathy".

 

[CPUd]

That's what all this boils down to, especially down south.

I have heard this with my own ears, too many times to count now:

"I don't care, just so long as we get that nigg*r out of the White House".

And it is not at all what the country wants.

More people of voting age abstain from voting than vote either R or D.

I'm not sure what Boobus wants exactly, but either by choice or sloth, Boobus has been voting "no confidence" for years now.

Ron Paul energized these people to get involved again.

"Dr. Paul cured my apathy".

I am in the South, and have had several people tell me with a straight face that Obama is in the process of implementing Sharia law so the Muslims can take over the U.S.A., and that's the only reason they have to vote for the Mormon.

 

[Dianne]

There is a cripling blow to liberty, either way this election goes... This is not by choice, it is by design. These terrorists who are running for President of the United States are puppets of the United Nations, our current owners..

And keep in mind, your home, your land, you, and your children have already been placed as collateral to China by the UCC agreement filed with the Maryland Federal Clerk, for 16 trillion in debt to China.

So country is screwed, done... America is history .. now learn to adapt to that, and how you will defend when some Chinese guy comes knocking on your door, asking you to leave.

 

[mport1]

- Reaffirms the GOP establishment's belief that they can win without us.

- Confirms the fact that the Ron Paul vote/wing of the party is insignificant, at least at this stage.

- Guarantees a liberty Republican running for POTUS would have to wait until 2020 - and even then it's likely moderate voters will be looking for "change" once again and would look to the democrats like in 2008.

- The crash will happen under the Romney administration and the free market (and Republicans) will be blamed ushering in grand socialism.

...and it's all seeming like a real possibility Romney will win now. Thoughts?

Yep, you've nailed it. I'm pulling for an Obama win.